KU Players Leaving/Staying Tracker
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@FarNrthJHwk said:
could he get an extra year due to a medical hardship like Gonzagas Karnowski did…
Not eligible for a waiver. Here are the relevant portions of the criteria:
An athlete must not have participated in more than three contests or 30 percent of their season schedule (whichever is greater)… Karnoski played in 5 for the Zags, so he easily qualified.
Unfortunately, Udoka played in 11 out of 35 games, or about 31.4%. If the NCAA doesn’t do rounding, he might have been eligible for one if we had reached the championship (29.72972973%).
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@BeddieKU23 For some reason I just have this feel that Doke will still be with us for two full more seasons, I feel that with his injury, it set his development back and he needs time to mature develop - I thought originally that he would stay for two years, now with the injury seeing as how he was not able to get that game time exposure/experience I just feel he will end up staying through his Junior year. - -That is unless he comes out this next season and just has a monsterous season offensively AND defensively, otherwise feel like he needs it to take the time to really develop improve ALL phases of his game. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark hmmmm, maybe /Bragg transfer to Wichita State lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@cragarhawk Agree. I mean I know ALL the players took the loss hard - - maybe I’m reading to much into it, but the vibe I got or that I felt seems to me that Frank more so then anyone would really take this rough. - -Frank was through and through, like you said a true role model will go down as one of my all time favorites, I know he loves his son and wants the best definitely will always be welcome in Jayhawk Nation. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Marsha would eat him alive.
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@BShark LOL, oh well he wouldn’t be our concern anymore. - -maybe just me BUT I still would like to see him come back here next season - -Do I think it’s gonna happen? - - probably not. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Interesting post on the Phog about Graham. If true his mom wants him to stay and get his degree.
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just checked out a couple of the NBA draft sites: - - Draft Net has Josh as the # 1 pick going to the Celtics - - -Frank as the # 48 going to Milwaukee, - - -NBA Draft Express has Josh as # 3, - - -Devonte # 50 going to the Nuggets, - - & Frank # 59 going to San Antonio. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The NBA is going super small, but Doke isn’t an immobile guy. He moves quite well. He’s much more similar to a guy like DeAndre Jordan. He runs the floor well, can elevate and finish and can easily play as the lone big man because of his size, strength and shot blocking ability.
The NBA trend to go smaller helps a guy like Doke that is mobile, but it hurts the pro prospects of a guy like Landen that isn’t as mobile and would have trouble switching on the PnR. 10 years ago, a guy like Landen would get a very long look in an NBA training camp because of his size and bball IQ, and would probably have a career somewhere. Now, because most NBA teams don’t play two true bigs at the same time and Landen isn’t a shotblocker, it’s tough to play a big that can’t either switch onto smaller guys on the PnR or play as the lone rim protector in a small lineup. But that change helps a guy like Doke.
I don’t know that the injury changes that plan for Doke. He can block shots and can probably handle some switches. He doesn’t need to be a scorer because he won’t be in lineups as a stretch four. He will be an anchor 5 (similar to a guy like Jordan or Capela for the Rockets). The NBA would probably prefer that Doke not try and be a scorer because they don’t have to create post touches for him if that’s the case. Rebound, defend and dunk. That’s what they want from a guy like Doke. He can already do all of those things.
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@jayballer54 Have often thought this season that Frank would fit very well in Pops system. He’s a smart player. A team player and plays hard. All things Pops likes from his players.
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Interesting train of thought on Doke. I don’t think we have enough sample size to determine how mobile he would be defensively as far as translating to the NBA. We’ll see how much he’s learned next year and whether he can be effective on a P&R like Lucas was. He did make tremendous strides with his body and I’m sure Hudy will continue to sculpt him into a man-child. The DeAndre Jordan comp is a good one. Hopefully next season he’ll get to show us what he can do healthy. I don’t see Doke listed in any early 2018 Mock draft so that’s potentially a good thing for KU.
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I was basing on foot speed and lateral movement alone, not how he did as a defender in that situation. There aren’t enough college PGs that will attack a big off a PnR for him to get meaningful reps in college in that type of situation defensively. Because of that, I don’t know that we can really determine his defensive ability at the next level while he’s still in college.
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Not KU but Baylor’s Al Freeman transferring. Graduate tranferring. Big Blow for Baylor.
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@BeddieKU23 KU was in on him pretty hard, but I doubt he stays in the Big 12.
Didn’t he start out at G-Town?
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Baylor his first three years. KU was interested then as far as I can tell backed off.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@BeddieKU23 KU was in on him pretty hard, but I doubt he stays in the Big 12.
Didn’t he start out at G-Town?
Believe he was originally committed to ucla, ended at baylor. will be interesting to see where he lands
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@Crimsonorblue22 that’s what pisses me off most about that game. everybody let Frank down. If there was ever a college kid that deserved to go to a FF4 more than anyone else Frank is that kid. He’s everything you want from a Jayhawk.
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We need Bragg with all his potential and blunders.
Svi stays another year. He’s got a great chance to improve his stock and if not, he’s guaranteed European money.
I like what I’m hearing from Trevon Duvall. Everyone has him going to Dook, but KU has a great chance at this point with Mason leaving. I don’t think DG makes too much difference. Either way, Duvall gets some huge minutes if he can pick up Self’s system like Mason.
I’m giddy about Billy Preston too. I see him as a match-up nightmare at the 4. Doke will share minutes at the 5, with Bragg spelling Preston at the 4. We will be deeper inside next season. I hope Maxwell and Lightfoot really develop to provide Doke some rest at the 5. I like some of Maxwell’s clips. He looks to bring some real solid minutes inside. I’m loving our size and will have Self-ish type bigs. Our perimeter is going to be as dangerous too.
Coleby back too?
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3 days removed from the end of the season… still not over FM being done… Not gonna be. Good to see his unanimous AP first team honor. Well deserved. All day I’ve been thinking… Geez it’s gonna have to be a tough ticket on the night they hang the MASON III number O in the rafters of the Phog. You can bet I will be there on that day
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@cragarhawk you and me both! i wonder how fast they will retire him.
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@truehawk93 maxwell left at semester
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Coleby should be back. Anything can happen though. Our post situation is a mess with a lot of potential.
Don’t get your hopes up about Duval. This isn’t forecasting as a recruitment where KU was really in it and the media was focusing somewhere else before the recruit picked KU (Like Jackson, Wiggins). The smoke for Duke from all accounts is accurate.
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@HawkInMizery I seem to think Coach has a 5 year limitation on that. Idk if that’s accurate. Maybe someone else can answer that for sure
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@cragarhawk I think Self’s latest comments said that they have not acted as fast as they should have for some retirements, and that nothing is set in stone. Also, he said we will see a couple more soon, prob next year. I assume these will be Sherron and Cole.
If Mason ends up the consensus POY, any normal delay times might go out the window since we have never had one.
A thought: If Self decides to retire any time in the next 5, I suspect the retirement of FM’s jersey will be before HCBS goes, or in connection with it.
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@mayjay I thought that as well. I can’t imagine Coach leaves without seeing that done. Maybe he comes back for it… But I can’t imagine it honestly
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@HawkInMizery said:
i wonder how fast they will retire him.
If they had his jersey hanging up there …tomorrow it would not be soon enough. And somebody needs to get to work on a statue - put him right out there next to Phog Allen with a plaque.
“Welcome to the Mecca of College Basketball. Stay four years and you might have a jersey hanging in the rafters and a statue on the lawn too”.
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Rumours swirling. User made a VIP post on 247. They said to keep it there so I will respect their wishes. Check out the thread if you have VIP though.
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@BShark PS. You suck. Kidding, kidding!
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So mean!
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@BShark like a bad college date, just leading us on…
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Just maybe reporting early what I think most people think is going down anyway.
The 2nd part, not so sure its a 1 for 1 deal. But that would definitely make said recruit more attractive to coming here
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Hmmm I have no idea
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a hint, its about a player leaving the program as well as saying another will be joining
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@BeddieKU23 scares me that ones for sure and the other might not be! Not ready for dg to go
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@Crimsonorblue22 It could be Bragg leaving.
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If this person is right kudos to her/him for having that information.
Self has not met with players and won’t until he gets back from Final 4.
But I don’t think one could know both situations from what is currently known about each
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Yeah seems interesting that this could already be lined up so quickly.
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Which is why I have doubt about what is being said. But I would be okay with said situation happening
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Could have been lined up before the tournament even started. Self has been on the recruiting trail within the last few weeks.
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We need the first-year Bragg… not the second-year Bragg. I’ve never seen a guy move backwards in development like he has.
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Said recruit has not visited KU for what its worth. But Marcus Garrett never visited before committing so its not the most unlikely thing to happen.
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@drgnslayr Nadiir Tharpe? Brannen Greene? I never decided if they went forward or backward…
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@BeddieKU23 of the offers I saw, I liked our chances.
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In today’s age of recruiting, KU being the “biggest offer” hasn’t worked out so well recently
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Can’t beat Bama for a PG unfortunately.
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@BShark Sexton is an SEC kid who sees a loaded back court at Kansas. Also Avery’s NBA success and ties will help him land some talent, imo.
If Self continues his trend of 4/1 offense and guard freedom, I anticipate seeing more elite guards signing here in the future.
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Bill Self can also now go into every PG recruits house and tell them that he took two unranked Point Guards committed to App State and Towson and turned them into the best guards in the country and a POY ALL American PG. Sure hope that hits home with some guys moving forward.
We are always going to faced with the issue of kids who want immediate playing time and that will always play a role.
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I hope so. Also I remember Sexton saying some stuff about freedom to play and not worry about making mistakes at Bama. Doesn’t take much to read between the lines there IMO…
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Here are my thought on player status…
Josh, Frank and Landen are gone…duh…
Svi comes back to finish his degree and improve his draft status.
Devonte is back after the Oregon game knocked him way down second round to not-drafted.
Vick will be back and probably start or at least get considerable playing time.
Bragg will use the off-season to sync his mind and new body and with good coaching he might yet be the player we all thought he could be.
Garret will be a very pleasant surprise.
Preston will contribute greatly if he qualifies to play at all. 50-50 chance at this point
Doke will progress nicely and be in beats mode buy Conference play.
Lightfoot will continue to progress and we will see flashes of what he will do in his junior and senior years.
I see Newman as a 50-50 chance of leaving.
Cunlife will be a good contributor but not a game changer.
Juiston, if he comes to KU ,will be a Jamari type of player. He has dominated in JuCo but Division I is a while different game.
Coleby will see increased pay time but not starter minutes.
As usual, Coach Self will gete a surprise recruit in the off-season.
KU will win Conference Title #14.
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Interesting news about players with whom we are somewhat familiar.
Lonzo Ball, following on his father’s footsteps and family tradition stated that he is better than Markelle Fultz; way to to impress NBA GMs…negatively, of course.
Michael Porter Jr., indicated that he wants to wear the number he had in HS, the problem is that Terrence Phillips, who stared for MU for 2 years, currently wears the same number. Porter indicated they should play one-on-one for the number… what a way to start your career by destroying team chemistry. I see MU being like Washington was this season, a team with a superstar but still a conference bottom feeder.
