KU Players Leaving/Staying Tracker
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@jayballer54 Have often thought this season that Frank would fit very well in Pops system. He’s a smart player. A team player and plays hard. All things Pops likes from his players.
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Interesting train of thought on Doke. I don’t think we have enough sample size to determine how mobile he would be defensively as far as translating to the NBA. We’ll see how much he’s learned next year and whether he can be effective on a P&R like Lucas was. He did make tremendous strides with his body and I’m sure Hudy will continue to sculpt him into a man-child. The DeAndre Jordan comp is a good one. Hopefully next season he’ll get to show us what he can do healthy. I don’t see Doke listed in any early 2018 Mock draft so that’s potentially a good thing for KU.
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I was basing on foot speed and lateral movement alone, not how he did as a defender in that situation. There aren’t enough college PGs that will attack a big off a PnR for him to get meaningful reps in college in that type of situation defensively. Because of that, I don’t know that we can really determine his defensive ability at the next level while he’s still in college.
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Not KU but Baylor’s Al Freeman transferring. Graduate tranferring. Big Blow for Baylor.
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@BeddieKU23 KU was in on him pretty hard, but I doubt he stays in the Big 12.
Didn’t he start out at G-Town?
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Baylor his first three years. KU was interested then as far as I can tell backed off.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@BeddieKU23 KU was in on him pretty hard, but I doubt he stays in the Big 12.
Didn’t he start out at G-Town?
Believe he was originally committed to ucla, ended at baylor. will be interesting to see where he lands
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@Crimsonorblue22 that’s what pisses me off most about that game. everybody let Frank down. If there was ever a college kid that deserved to go to a FF4 more than anyone else Frank is that kid. He’s everything you want from a Jayhawk.
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We need Bragg with all his potential and blunders.
Svi stays another year. He’s got a great chance to improve his stock and if not, he’s guaranteed European money.
I like what I’m hearing from Trevon Duvall. Everyone has him going to Dook, but KU has a great chance at this point with Mason leaving. I don’t think DG makes too much difference. Either way, Duvall gets some huge minutes if he can pick up Self’s system like Mason.
I’m giddy about Billy Preston too. I see him as a match-up nightmare at the 4. Doke will share minutes at the 5, with Bragg spelling Preston at the 4. We will be deeper inside next season. I hope Maxwell and Lightfoot really develop to provide Doke some rest at the 5. I like some of Maxwell’s clips. He looks to bring some real solid minutes inside. I’m loving our size and will have Self-ish type bigs. Our perimeter is going to be as dangerous too.
Coleby back too?
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3 days removed from the end of the season… still not over FM being done… Not gonna be. Good to see his unanimous AP first team honor. Well deserved. All day I’ve been thinking… Geez it’s gonna have to be a tough ticket on the night they hang the MASON III number O in the rafters of the Phog. You can bet I will be there on that day
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@cragarhawk you and me both! i wonder how fast they will retire him.
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@truehawk93 maxwell left at semester
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Coleby should be back. Anything can happen though. Our post situation is a mess with a lot of potential.
Don’t get your hopes up about Duval. This isn’t forecasting as a recruitment where KU was really in it and the media was focusing somewhere else before the recruit picked KU (Like Jackson, Wiggins). The smoke for Duke from all accounts is accurate.
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@HawkInMizery I seem to think Coach has a 5 year limitation on that. Idk if that’s accurate. Maybe someone else can answer that for sure
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@cragarhawk I think Self’s latest comments said that they have not acted as fast as they should have for some retirements, and that nothing is set in stone. Also, he said we will see a couple more soon, prob next year. I assume these will be Sherron and Cole.
If Mason ends up the consensus POY, any normal delay times might go out the window since we have never had one.
A thought: If Self decides to retire any time in the next 5, I suspect the retirement of FM’s jersey will be before HCBS goes, or in connection with it.
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@mayjay I thought that as well. I can’t imagine Coach leaves without seeing that done. Maybe he comes back for it… But I can’t imagine it honestly
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@HawkInMizery said:
i wonder how fast they will retire him.
If they had his jersey hanging up there …tomorrow it would not be soon enough. And somebody needs to get to work on a statue - put him right out there next to Phog Allen with a plaque.
“Welcome to the Mecca of College Basketball. Stay four years and you might have a jersey hanging in the rafters and a statue on the lawn too”.
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Rumours swirling. User made a VIP post on 247. They said to keep it there so I will respect their wishes. Check out the thread if you have VIP though.
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@BShark PS. You suck. Kidding, kidding!
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So mean!
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@BShark like a bad college date, just leading us on…
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Just maybe reporting early what I think most people think is going down anyway.
The 2nd part, not so sure its a 1 for 1 deal. But that would definitely make said recruit more attractive to coming here
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Hmmm I have no idea
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a hint, its about a player leaving the program as well as saying another will be joining
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@BeddieKU23 scares me that ones for sure and the other might not be! Not ready for dg to go
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@Crimsonorblue22 It could be Bragg leaving.
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If this person is right kudos to her/him for having that information.
Self has not met with players and won’t until he gets back from Final 4.
But I don’t think one could know both situations from what is currently known about each
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Yeah seems interesting that this could already be lined up so quickly.
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Which is why I have doubt about what is being said. But I would be okay with said situation happening
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Could have been lined up before the tournament even started. Self has been on the recruiting trail within the last few weeks.
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We need the first-year Bragg… not the second-year Bragg. I’ve never seen a guy move backwards in development like he has.
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Said recruit has not visited KU for what its worth. But Marcus Garrett never visited before committing so its not the most unlikely thing to happen.
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@drgnslayr Nadiir Tharpe? Brannen Greene? I never decided if they went forward or backward…
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@BeddieKU23 of the offers I saw, I liked our chances.
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In today’s age of recruiting, KU being the “biggest offer” hasn’t worked out so well recently
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Can’t beat Bama for a PG unfortunately.
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@BShark Sexton is an SEC kid who sees a loaded back court at Kansas. Also Avery’s NBA success and ties will help him land some talent, imo.
If Self continues his trend of 4/1 offense and guard freedom, I anticipate seeing more elite guards signing here in the future.
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Bill Self can also now go into every PG recruits house and tell them that he took two unranked Point Guards committed to App State and Towson and turned them into the best guards in the country and a POY ALL American PG. Sure hope that hits home with some guys moving forward.
We are always going to faced with the issue of kids who want immediate playing time and that will always play a role.
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I hope so. Also I remember Sexton saying some stuff about freedom to play and not worry about making mistakes at Bama. Doesn’t take much to read between the lines there IMO…
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Here are my thought on player status…
Josh, Frank and Landen are gone…duh…
Svi comes back to finish his degree and improve his draft status.
Devonte is back after the Oregon game knocked him way down second round to not-drafted.
Vick will be back and probably start or at least get considerable playing time.
Bragg will use the off-season to sync his mind and new body and with good coaching he might yet be the player we all thought he could be.
Garret will be a very pleasant surprise.
Preston will contribute greatly if he qualifies to play at all. 50-50 chance at this point
Doke will progress nicely and be in beats mode buy Conference play.
Lightfoot will continue to progress and we will see flashes of what he will do in his junior and senior years.
I see Newman as a 50-50 chance of leaving.
Cunlife will be a good contributor but not a game changer.
Juiston, if he comes to KU ,will be a Jamari type of player. He has dominated in JuCo but Division I is a while different game.
Coleby will see increased pay time but not starter minutes.
As usual, Coach Self will gete a surprise recruit in the off-season.
KU will win Conference Title #14.
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Interesting news about players with whom we are somewhat familiar.
Lonzo Ball, following on his father’s footsteps and family tradition stated that he is better than Markelle Fultz; way to to impress NBA GMs…negatively, of course.
Michael Porter Jr., indicated that he wants to wear the number he had in HS, the problem is that Terrence Phillips, who stared for MU for 2 years, currently wears the same number. Porter indicated they should play one-on-one for the number… what a way to start your career by destroying team chemistry. I see MU being like Washington was this season, a team with a superstar but still a conference bottom feeder.
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@JayHawkFanToo Bragg is not a lock to be back. Newman will play at Kansas next season. He wasn’t good enough to go to the NBA after his freshman year and he’s done nothing to prove those doubts wrong. Scouts and GM’s don’t care about how a player looks in practice, they care about game film and there is no game film of Newman that shows he’s fixed any of his problems.
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Keep in mind that Malik has been practicing all season long against the best guard pair ion college basketball and it is not unfeasible that his play has improved considerably. The combine would be the place where NBA team properly evaluate him.
Bragg’s best chance to make it to the League is to shine at KU. If he is not good enough to earn playing time at KU, being the best player in a mid major program will not help much, particularly when he would have to sit one year. If he is not NBA material playing at KU, playing for mid-major will not change this.
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@Hawk8086 said:
@jayballer54 Gosh I hope Bragg comes back…I think he can be a good player. IMO whatever happened off court really affected his play.
Plus I think him playing the 5 is out of position for his skill set and mindset. With others holding down that spot next year I think we’d see different results.
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Good response. Naadir… BG moved forward with his game but not sure about his attitude.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I didn’t know that about Maxwell. Wow…that was the shortest transfer ever.
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@BeddieKU23 I will wait for the fat lady to sing. I may not like the song, but until she sings…
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@Blown I’m not so worried about anyone leaving at this point. But it’s safe to say that IF anyone leaves, it would almost have to be a small benefit. I’m more curious about any incoming than outgoing.
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@JayHawkFanToo Bragg leaving KU would not be his choice. It would be a Brannen Greene/Connor Frankamp/Naadir Tharpe type deal where he’s publicly allowed to leave on his own, but he’s really getting kicked off the team. Bragg not playing at all against Oregon when his skill set was exactly what KU needed should be sending out huge warning signs that Bragg may not be around KU next year.
Newman was practicing against a pair of very good guards, that doesn’t change that there’s still no game film on him to show he’s fixed the deficiencies in his game and there’s no way he gets a combine invite. Graham is the only on the fence player who will likely get an invite. The NBA invited only 61 players last year and will probably be close to the same number and Newman won’t be among those players because he didn’t play this past season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I was just thinking through Newman’s situation. I can’t help to think practicing and cutting his teeth with FM was tremendous. If you add in DG, it’s really a great benefit to Newman. Something tells me after his initial pick and transfer, he has a little something for KU. He sees this as a great opportunity.
I think it’s possible Malik Newman could aspire to following Frank’s example on the court. Let’s hope if we miss on any other guards, that Newman steps up and gives as much as Frank “the tank” Mason. Mason is an all out stud. It’s time for Newman to put up or shut-up.
