KU Players Leaving/Staying Tracker
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Woops, sorry I missed the point of this thread.
Funny, I had a feeling people would post fake news about Newman right after the season ended. If Newman didn’t have a reputation that would cause this type of rumors to be started in the first place we would have no reason for concern but yet there is the slightest doubt put out there. He’d be crucified by his coach if he did leave. Which I can’t imagine would look good on him after all the talk of him coming here and his commitment to play here at least 1 season. I hope for Malik and for KU he’s putting on a Jersey this fall
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It seems clear to me that Bragg might be moving on somewhere else. Not getting into the Oregon game doesn’t seem coincidental. That will really suck but maybe its best. I’ll wait to see what happens to comment further…
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@HighEliteMajor I remember the conflict over his dad’s word. I think at the time I raised the possibility that changed circumstances could lead to Malik leaving without it meaning his dad was acting in bad faith when he said it.
It might depend purely on whether HCBS thinks Newman has a good chance to catch an NBA contract. Bill is pretty adamant that when a player is ready and wants to go, he should go and Bill won’t hold him back. I doubt, though, that he could have made that much progress without playing.
I think Newman did the combine thing last year, didn’t he? And I thought someone said you can’t do it and retain eligibility 2 years in a row, so it seems that there aren’t a lot of ways for Malik to explore NBA options other than through his coach.
An unrelated topic for everyone to chime in on: do you think Udoka should attend big man camp this summer? I believe Withey benefited from one, and others have, too, but would it be too much in light of the trip to Italy coming so soon after the wrist injury?
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Hopefully that settles that.
And for those who don’t Twitter.
Malik said “don’t believe the rumors”
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I know this was addressed to HEM but I wanted to chime in as well.
If Healthy, Udoka would be a prime candidate for camps especially if invited. I think the kid needs all the experience, coaching and tips he can get. He basically only got his feet wet and lost an entire season of progression. It sucks he wasn’t able to learn with Lucas for the entire season on all the fundamental things Landen did well for this team. Going to be an important off-season for Doke
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@BeddieKU23 Thanks–really to everyone but especially to those of you who seem to have a better knowledge of bb preparation than I do!
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Udoka would be staying regardless. He is not old enough to be eligible for this year’s draft. He was always going to be a two year player. It sucks that he got hurt, but he was coming back either way.
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My guess
Jackson goes (DUH).
Graham and Svi stay (they might “declare” but won’t hire an agent and will come back).
Bragg transfers to a nice mid-major.
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What will be interesting to see with Doke is how the injury effects his plan to basically be a 2AD. That was his goal coming in as he knew his age prevented him from leaving regardless of his health or how well he performed as a freshman.
It would seem all the lost time from this year would put him further behind to reaching that 2AD goal. With the NBA going further away from the Doke’s of the world it will be very interesting to see how the NBA is going to value him for what he is. An extremely raw player with a high ceiling and size you just can’t teach, Does the NBA label him sort of like Diallo or do they take his age into consideration and figure he’s 2-4 years of development away from becoming something.
I don’t follow the NBA enough to know exactly where his value would be but I would figure a 7 footer who can’t shoot and is extremely limited in his knowledge of the game would warrant a first round pick. Again I could find a slew of things GM’s might be intrigued with but that would have been the thinking of where the NBA was 10-15 years ago instead of where it is today.
And part of me is selfishly holding out that 2 years won’t be enough for him but I’m wondering will he be labeled a high “potential” prospect or an “raw prospect” with down the line potential…
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@HighEliteMajor said:
Frank did deserve better. My all-time favorite Jayhawk.
Mine Too. I’m going to retire “Where there’s a Wilt, there’s a way”
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@BeddieKU23 How many games didnhe play in this year? Can’t be that many.
The reason I ask is say he does become a project and he stays for all 4 years could he get an extra year due to a medical hardship like Gonzagas Karnowski did afternolaying just 6 games last season???
Not say Dome will be a guy who is here that long but just a question.
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11 games.
I suppose they could apply for a medical waiver, not sure the amount of games you can play in and get it.
I would tend to believe Doke won’t be here 4 years, from what he said coming here to him being from another country, his goal is probably to get to the NBA and provide for his family. Maybe his mindset will change but Doke is probably smart enough to know his athleticism, size, and age will get him some hard looks from teams that are looking for a project to work with. And there was signs he was starting to improve rather quickly as well before the injury… This off-season will tell a lot of how much he can improve
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@BeddieKU23 No I didn’t think he’d stay for his entirety but was just wondering.
Never know though. Maybe he loves the experience of campus life?
Oh who am I kidding.
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Yeah there is no point in applying for the extra year if you don’t plan to be around 5 years.
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I am going to go all Bobby Knight, but we might of tried some shot fakes on bell. That and switching to 2 bigs with Bragg stretching the D could have worked wonders. Simple adjustments Were lacking from the coach I was bragging about for being the KOA (king of adjustments).
2 shot fakes getting bell in the air for 2 early fouls and we may not be crying in our beer. But then that may have been beyond Landens repotoir.
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@Fightsongwriter You wouldn’t have had to shot fake to try and draw fouls on Bell. Plant Bragg in the high post in the middle of the zone and force Bell off the basline to help on the weakside. Even with all his struggles this year that was something Bragg was still pretty good at and tended to have his most success playing in the high post.
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@FarNrthJHwk said:
could he get an extra year due to a medical hardship like Gonzagas Karnowski did…
Not eligible for a waiver. Here are the relevant portions of the criteria:
An athlete must not have participated in more than three contests or 30 percent of their season schedule (whichever is greater)… Karnoski played in 5 for the Zags, so he easily qualified.
Unfortunately, Udoka played in 11 out of 35 games, or about 31.4%. If the NCAA doesn’t do rounding, he might have been eligible for one if we had reached the championship (29.72972973%).
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@BeddieKU23 For some reason I just have this feel that Doke will still be with us for two full more seasons, I feel that with his injury, it set his development back and he needs time to mature develop - I thought originally that he would stay for two years, now with the injury seeing as how he was not able to get that game time exposure/experience I just feel he will end up staying through his Junior year. - -That is unless he comes out this next season and just has a monsterous season offensively AND defensively, otherwise feel like he needs it to take the time to really develop improve ALL phases of his game. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark hmmmm, maybe /Bragg transfer to Wichita State lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@cragarhawk Agree. I mean I know ALL the players took the loss hard - - maybe I’m reading to much into it, but the vibe I got or that I felt seems to me that Frank more so then anyone would really take this rough. - -Frank was through and through, like you said a true role model will go down as one of my all time favorites, I know he loves his son and wants the best definitely will always be welcome in Jayhawk Nation. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Marsha would eat him alive.
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@BShark LOL, oh well he wouldn’t be our concern anymore. - -maybe just me BUT I still would like to see him come back here next season - -Do I think it’s gonna happen? - - probably not. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Interesting post on the Phog about Graham. If true his mom wants him to stay and get his degree.
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just checked out a couple of the NBA draft sites: - - Draft Net has Josh as the # 1 pick going to the Celtics - - -Frank as the # 48 going to Milwaukee, - - -NBA Draft Express has Josh as # 3, - - -Devonte # 50 going to the Nuggets, - - & Frank # 59 going to San Antonio. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The NBA is going super small, but Doke isn’t an immobile guy. He moves quite well. He’s much more similar to a guy like DeAndre Jordan. He runs the floor well, can elevate and finish and can easily play as the lone big man because of his size, strength and shot blocking ability.
The NBA trend to go smaller helps a guy like Doke that is mobile, but it hurts the pro prospects of a guy like Landen that isn’t as mobile and would have trouble switching on the PnR. 10 years ago, a guy like Landen would get a very long look in an NBA training camp because of his size and bball IQ, and would probably have a career somewhere. Now, because most NBA teams don’t play two true bigs at the same time and Landen isn’t a shotblocker, it’s tough to play a big that can’t either switch onto smaller guys on the PnR or play as the lone rim protector in a small lineup. But that change helps a guy like Doke.
I don’t know that the injury changes that plan for Doke. He can block shots and can probably handle some switches. He doesn’t need to be a scorer because he won’t be in lineups as a stretch four. He will be an anchor 5 (similar to a guy like Jordan or Capela for the Rockets). The NBA would probably prefer that Doke not try and be a scorer because they don’t have to create post touches for him if that’s the case. Rebound, defend and dunk. That’s what they want from a guy like Doke. He can already do all of those things.
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@jayballer54 Have often thought this season that Frank would fit very well in Pops system. He’s a smart player. A team player and plays hard. All things Pops likes from his players.
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Interesting train of thought on Doke. I don’t think we have enough sample size to determine how mobile he would be defensively as far as translating to the NBA. We’ll see how much he’s learned next year and whether he can be effective on a P&R like Lucas was. He did make tremendous strides with his body and I’m sure Hudy will continue to sculpt him into a man-child. The DeAndre Jordan comp is a good one. Hopefully next season he’ll get to show us what he can do healthy. I don’t see Doke listed in any early 2018 Mock draft so that’s potentially a good thing for KU.
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I was basing on foot speed and lateral movement alone, not how he did as a defender in that situation. There aren’t enough college PGs that will attack a big off a PnR for him to get meaningful reps in college in that type of situation defensively. Because of that, I don’t know that we can really determine his defensive ability at the next level while he’s still in college.
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Not KU but Baylor’s Al Freeman transferring. Graduate tranferring. Big Blow for Baylor.
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@BeddieKU23 KU was in on him pretty hard, but I doubt he stays in the Big 12.
Didn’t he start out at G-Town?
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Baylor his first three years. KU was interested then as far as I can tell backed off.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@BeddieKU23 KU was in on him pretty hard, but I doubt he stays in the Big 12.
Didn’t he start out at G-Town?
Believe he was originally committed to ucla, ended at baylor. will be interesting to see where he lands
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@Crimsonorblue22 that’s what pisses me off most about that game. everybody let Frank down. If there was ever a college kid that deserved to go to a FF4 more than anyone else Frank is that kid. He’s everything you want from a Jayhawk.
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We need Bragg with all his potential and blunders.
Svi stays another year. He’s got a great chance to improve his stock and if not, he’s guaranteed European money.
I like what I’m hearing from Trevon Duvall. Everyone has him going to Dook, but KU has a great chance at this point with Mason leaving. I don’t think DG makes too much difference. Either way, Duvall gets some huge minutes if he can pick up Self’s system like Mason.
I’m giddy about Billy Preston too. I see him as a match-up nightmare at the 4. Doke will share minutes at the 5, with Bragg spelling Preston at the 4. We will be deeper inside next season. I hope Maxwell and Lightfoot really develop to provide Doke some rest at the 5. I like some of Maxwell’s clips. He looks to bring some real solid minutes inside. I’m loving our size and will have Self-ish type bigs. Our perimeter is going to be as dangerous too.
Coleby back too?
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3 days removed from the end of the season… still not over FM being done… Not gonna be. Good to see his unanimous AP first team honor. Well deserved. All day I’ve been thinking… Geez it’s gonna have to be a tough ticket on the night they hang the MASON III number O in the rafters of the Phog. You can bet I will be there on that day
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@cragarhawk you and me both! i wonder how fast they will retire him.
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@truehawk93 maxwell left at semester
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Coleby should be back. Anything can happen though. Our post situation is a mess with a lot of potential.
Don’t get your hopes up about Duval. This isn’t forecasting as a recruitment where KU was really in it and the media was focusing somewhere else before the recruit picked KU (Like Jackson, Wiggins). The smoke for Duke from all accounts is accurate.
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@HawkInMizery I seem to think Coach has a 5 year limitation on that. Idk if that’s accurate. Maybe someone else can answer that for sure
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@cragarhawk I think Self’s latest comments said that they have not acted as fast as they should have for some retirements, and that nothing is set in stone. Also, he said we will see a couple more soon, prob next year. I assume these will be Sherron and Cole.
If Mason ends up the consensus POY, any normal delay times might go out the window since we have never had one.
A thought: If Self decides to retire any time in the next 5, I suspect the retirement of FM’s jersey will be before HCBS goes, or in connection with it.
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@mayjay I thought that as well. I can’t imagine Coach leaves without seeing that done. Maybe he comes back for it… But I can’t imagine it honestly
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@HawkInMizery said:
i wonder how fast they will retire him.
If they had his jersey hanging up there …tomorrow it would not be soon enough. And somebody needs to get to work on a statue - put him right out there next to Phog Allen with a plaque.
“Welcome to the Mecca of College Basketball. Stay four years and you might have a jersey hanging in the rafters and a statue on the lawn too”.
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Rumours swirling. User made a VIP post on 247. They said to keep it there so I will respect their wishes. Check out the thread if you have VIP though.
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@BShark PS. You suck. Kidding, kidding!
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So mean!
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@BShark like a bad college date, just leading us on…
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Just maybe reporting early what I think most people think is going down anyway.
The 2nd part, not so sure its a 1 for 1 deal. But that would definitely make said recruit more attractive to coming here
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Hmmm I have no idea
