The democratic nominee
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@Kcmatt7 yep, that part of the reason I got outta the car Dealership world. The family that owned several dealerships had a spending problem. They’d come meet with us and tell us to step it up tho we were plenty profitable and one of their biggest money makers. Then we’d find out they bought a vacation home for millions, then it was a couple million dollar plane. Something new every 6 months.
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@Kcmatt7 said in The democratic nominee:
@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@Kcmatt7 interesting, I think trump has been hard on his negative press outlets but Obama scolded Fox News when he was in office multiple times. A Democrat senator that said he doesnt believe people should be able to criticize them even when they are wrong. Politics have a ton hypocrites these days for sure. I’m in the middle on a ton of issues.
Trump has revoked several Press Passes and hasn’t had his press secretary hold a press briefing ever since she got the job. He literally calls every single mainstream media fake news but Fox and the second they criticize him he tweets about it. He basically ran Shep out.
Nunes is suing people on Twitter for saying mean things about him.
Huckabee is trying to get a lawyer on twitter disbarred for tweeting mean things about him.
Senators are now walking down the hallways calling reporters “liberal hacks” like its normal.
Other Congressman will “only go on OAN and Foxnews”
To compare Obama not treating Foxnews like an actual News outlet is fair. Providing it still is a news outlet and does not existing solely to drum up or magnify propaganda. Like the Obama “birther” story for example.
What Obama did was wrong. I’ll agree somewhat. But it’s not even in the realm of what is happening right now. Across the board, Republicans in office have felt emboldened to attack any and all press. It’s a big hit with the MAGA crowd to just call everyone “Fake News” and get a little sound bite of that.
To be fair Pres. Obama illegally spied on Fox and AP reporters. We’ve known the administration was doing some of this but we’re just now getting to the bottom of their attack on the press. https://issuesinsights.com/2019/05/25/report-obamas-spying-on-the-press-was-far-more-extensive-than-previously-thought/
Both Trump and Obama were bad on civil liberties but I’ll let partisans argue to what degree.
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Spying is tradition.
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@Kcmatt7 said in The democratic nominee:
How everyone isn’t on the healthcare train yet I do not understand. It’s works. The proof is all over the world.
The proof is you can, as a non citizen go up to Canada and buy insulin for a quarter of the cost without insurance as here in the U.S.
I had a friend who’s appendix had to be removed while he was in Denmark. It wasn’t even $5k for a non citizen to have emergency surgery.
It’s not like we would be the first to do this and it’s some loony toon idea.
There are very significant trade offs to consider. First, most major innovations in health happen in the US because there’s competition and profits to be made from inventing things that really improve health outcomes. Moving to single payer at best slows this down significantly.
Next, quality of care. Doctors are paid significantly less in Europe than the US. Why? Government payment rates are much lower than private insurance here. If you talk to hospital admin, they’ll all tell you they make money from private insurance, maybe break even from Medicare depending on the size of the hospital, and lose money from Medicaid which is shy about half of providers don’t take it. In the medium to long term moving everyone to Medicare rates will lower salaries for doctors, nurses, PA’s, etc. and will push some great folks into other fields. The last thing we want is a supply shock when demand will rise due to aging population and dumping millions into Medicare.
We also know just covering people doesn’t have a massive effect on health outcomes if that coverage doesn’t get you care. Wait times for most procedures overseas are much longer than here (more demand, less supply, no prices). In Oregon they did a Medicaid expansion RCT a few years ago and essentially found bulls in all but a few health outcomes.
Next, how do you pay for it all? BernieCare would push public spending as a % of GDP above 50. Which translates to the average person’s effective tax rate is also 50%. A couple ways to get there: a regressive VAT (Europe style), a wealth tax (I also love fairytales) or just say screw it and print the money all Veimar style. All are really bad for growth, making it more difficulty to pay for everything else government does.
All trade offs to consider. You can have 2 of these 3 in health: affordability, accessibility, and quality. Which 2 should we prioritize?
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I have a friend that just moved his family to Toronto. They have two little kids and have to go to the doctor more than adults and they say the healthcare up there is a joke. You can’t get in anywhere when you want and or need to. I’ve heard this from multiple people that live or have lived in Canada so I always laugh and scoff when people think that system is better .
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@Woodrow I’m not sure what the answer is health care wise but paying $1216 a month for insurance for my family of 4 sucks. I used to work on a doctors car quite a bit and he was blowing and going about how he made over 50 million off of hip replacements alone in one year. Yes doctors are important and should make a good wage but getting filthy ungodly rich off of others misfortune isn’t right IMO. That’s before you even get into the joke of pharmaceuticals and what they are making.
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@Woodrow works well when you have a safety valve to come to US when you really need something. And when US and probably Isreal lead the world in innovation and actual healthcare. No doubts payment side of things needs some work as we subsidize the world in innovation.
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@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@Woodrow I’m not sure what the answer is health care wise but paying $1216 a month for insurance for my family of 4 sucks. I used to work on a doctors car quite a bit and he was blowing and going about how he made over 50 million off of hip replacements alone in one year. Yes doctors are important and should make a good wage but getting filthy ungodly rich off of others misfortune isn’t right IMO. That’s before you even get into the joke of pharmaceuticals and what they are making.
I am NOT advocating that the US had it figured out. Healthcare is the #1 issue for me. It is a mess in the US. I pay $1300 a month for my wife and my newborn son so I feel your pain there. It is a absolute joke. My point was that the system that Canada has that the left try’s to pimp as being the best is not the answer. I will not claim to know what the answer is but that ain’t it.
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@Woodrow Ya I know nothing of Canada’s system, just know ours sucks unfortunately.
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I moved to Canada 10 years ago. Been pretty happy with our health care.
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What we know is that you can institute a universal healthcare and it won’t collapse an economy. We know this.
I don’t even agree that we should make sweeping changes overnight. It would certainly lead to capacity problems. Where I’m at with it, we need to flood the market with doctors before we do anything else with healthcare. Free tuition. Graduation bonuses. Whatever gets more doctors in the U.S.
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@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@Kcmatt7 interesting I guess I don’t pay enough attention to it to see all of that. But healthcare is huge issue in this country right now.
I have a 8 year old son with diabetes. He was diagnosed at 20 months old. His supplies cost about $500 a month after insurance. Some months it’s around $800. Luckily we can afford it, somewhat. But there’s family’s where that would literally break the bank.
It’s just sad that medical supplies cost so much. Basic elementary economics on demand says raise the price. They are literally using “staying alive” as their demand in evaluating their costs. It’s sickening
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I’m from Bernie’s home state and I’m not much of a fan of him. That’s pretty much all.
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I’m from Bernie’s home state and I’m not much of a fan of him. I think he’s lost popularity here the past few years. Before his voice had some pop but since the 16 run and the scandal with his wife… not so much
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@BeddieKU23 said in The democratic nominee:
I’m from Bernie’s home state and I’m not much of a fan of him. I think he’s lost popularity here the past few years. Before his voice had some pop but since the 16 run and the scandal with his wife… not so much
It’s an interesting phenomenon that a lot of pols aren’t as popular at home as they are nationally (or at least as well liked). I guess we see lots of warts that the rest of the country doesn’t (e.g. Bernie being very anti-immigrant back in the day)
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10 years ago it was different and I’m only speaking personally but when I was a bit younger he had my attention. Now I just dont see myself believing what he is putting down.
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Bernie did well at tonight’s townhall. Buttigieg next.
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Pete has resting elf face. I wonder if 4 years of scowling as the president will turn it into resting Mr Bean face.
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@approxinfinity hey now
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He’s doing well.
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So it begins. Bernie has never really been vetted in a serious way. That ends now. https://twitter.com/hotlinejosh/status/1231733462157099013?s=21
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Yeah.
I worked at the Burlington (Vt) Free Press 89-91 when Sanders was mayor and he won his first term in congress. It was stunning to see the staunch conservatives in the “northeast kingdom” back him because he was so far left he started to appeal to libertarians.
He calls himself a “democratic socialist” today, but he was unapologetically a socialist back when he was mayor. He and several on his staff took winter trips to Cuba. I don’t think his philosophy has changed… but he has honed his messaging very well.
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@FarmerJayhawk GROSS
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BIDEN 2020
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This is a demolition. Biden might hit 40%
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@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The democratic nominee:
BIDEN 2020
You think so?
I’m voting for him Tuesday! But I think the most likely outcomes are still Bernie gets a majority, contested convention (in which case anything can happen depending on delegate counts), then Biden majority.
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Did Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson recently get bad spray on tans to make Donald Trump’s not seem so bad?
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Amy and Pete out. She’s endorsing Biden tonight, Pete will likely follow. The anti-Bernie forces are consolidating. Only Biden and Bernie have a shot at 1991. Bloomberg is just kind of there. I think he goes 0-fer tomorrow as far as state wins. He may pick up a few delegates but probably not enough to change anything. Just have to march to Milwaukee within striking distance. If nobody is within a few hundred, things are going to get weird.
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Joe is the best. Outspent 7:1 by Bernie and still works him
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@FarmerJayhawk holy smokes.
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Did you y’all see the video of Joe saying he was dropping out and then endorsing himself. The Ron Burgundy of politics, what an idiot.
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@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
Did you y’all see the video of Joe saying he was dropping out and then endorsing himself. The Ron Burgundy of politics, what an idiot.
I think that was a joke site
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@approxinfinity I pay little attention lol but they did amazing job of editing it, he’s still a nut case either way.
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Liz Warren is out. Fun fact: Tulsi Gabbard is now the only woman of color in the race.
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It’s Biden.
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https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1242996206046978049?s=21
Still don’t understand why people dismiss this guy as “crazy Bernie” seems like he’s pretty focused on helping working class folks. Doesn’t really matter to him if they are R or D or if they vote or not.
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@benshawks08 said in The democratic nominee:
https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1242996206046978049?s=21
Still don’t understand why people dismiss this guy as “crazy Bernie” seems like he’s pretty focused on helping working class folks. Doesn’t really matter to him if they are R or D or if they vote or not.
Because he wants to spend 60% of every dollar earned in America on government. $60 trillion over the next 10 years is A LOT of money and he’s railing on 1.7% of that in tax cuts.
To his point, there’s definitely moral hazard in paying more for folks to not work than work. If UI is larger than wages, employers have every incentive to lay people off and move on with their lives. There won’t be the big recovery we’re all counting on at the end.
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@FarmerJayhawk The goal is to get people to stay home and provide much needed financial assistance in a crisis. Who needs that more, people with money and jobs? Or people without money and jobs?
Pretty sure everyone is going to want to go back to work after this shelter in place, social distancing is over. I’m admittedly a homebody and I’m already stir crazy! Maybe if I spent less time fighting on the internet…
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@BShark the Democrats haven’t help themselves either with the passing of the stimulus that gives congress a 46k a year raise. National emergency, people are dying! We need to make more money… what a joke both parties are at this point.
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@kjayhawks said in The democratic nominee:
@BShark the Democrats haven’t help themselves either with the passing of the stimulus that gives congress a 46k a year raise. National emergency, people are dying! We need to make more money… what a joke both parties are at this point.
Members didn’t get a raise. It was money for (very underpaid) staff to get additional resources to be able to work remotely while maintaining security.
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@FarmerJayhawk that could be true but I don’t trust it
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@kjayhawks When you don’t trust anything in the news, consider yourself a trophy for the far right, which started campaigning against the news media as a political strategy in the 80s and 90s. In 2016, a few traditional conservatives (fiscal restraint, strict ethical rules, less dependence on govt, etc) lamenting the rise of Trump wrote about their regret that they had convinced a huge segment of the country not to believe what the media told them because they realized the media was needed to correct the idiocies being bandied about.
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@mayjay If they weren’t wrong all the time, I’d be more likely to believe. The media runs with what they can sell watch Richard Jewel or read the book. Watch ESPN 30 for 30 fantastic lies. The Walter Cronkite’s of the world are gone. I don’t care which outlet you like, they twist stuff, add and take out words in speeches to fit their narrative. I do t know how many times I’ve seen guys quoted and then watched the interview and it’s been twisted. Call me crazy I don’t not trust media or the government. CBS just got in trouble for showing old footage of an Italian hospital claiming it was New York. Whatever actor it was in Chicago that claimed to be a target of racial abuse, that media ran with as hard as they could with no factual evidence. Trust is earned, neither have earned any from me in the past decade or so.
