2022 Recruiting Thread
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@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@BeddieKU23 KJ, Bobby, Cuffe, Zuby, Dick, Rice
Athleticism
What do you think? Think that Bill has been recruiting? I am not lying, I am - easy drive, and I love popcorn - going to go see Dick play this year at Sunrise.
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He is a major in-state talent. Better than Mitchell imo. We could not let him get away. The best Wichita talent since when? Korleone Young? Granted, Young was a bust everywhere. imo Dick is a bigtime player, and was a must get.
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@Marco Perry Ellis wasnāt to shabby. I do think GD is going to be very good with a lot of upside
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@Oldmanhawk no, he wasnāt.
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Here is just another example with players of MJ Rice caliber - -why donāt get to hyped up on him YET till he is actually on Campus and attending class.
The what is rated as the # 2 PG in the Nation the # 8 rated overall player in the nation according to 247 sports Jazian Gortman , will NOT attend College and has just signed a ONE year deal with Overtime Elite worth 650,000 dollars. How can Colleges compete with deals like that ?
Sharing from a post I read like the poster said - -sure we have the NIL for players now , that will help off set some BUT with a player thinking about committing to a School comes with commitment to attend classes. This thing will start to snowball and your going to see more and more players like this go the route straight to Overtime or G league.
Overtime still remains an option for MJ and just think we need to keep an open mind and realize he is not here set in stone yet. - Donāt get me wrong I want him here but just not sold yet - -alot of time before he is here - like Farmer said 10 months - -these pro league can dangle A LOT of money in front of MJ before itās time for him to be here. 650,000 for ONE YEAR to him would be really tempting.
Seems like we have went from where these kids had virtually nothing no way to have some money to the other extreme as to where now they hold all the cards with the NIL & these pro leagues willing to throw money at them like this - -it might get bad talent wise for the Colleges if this thing really starts to roll - - remember RJ Hampton ? - lock for KU and look what happens - -money talks loud to kids real loud
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Yeah definitely a concern Rice could take a better deal somewhere but for now he is committed and that at least is something. Gortman didnāt commit anywhere before taking that deal. KU will presumably be able to be in his ear about staying the College routeā¦
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Yeah definitely a concern Rice could take a better deal somewhere but for now he is committed and that at least is something. Gortman didnāt commit anywhere before taking that deal. KU will presumably be able to be in his ear about staying the College routeā¦
Plus the money can be better in college. Dariq Whitehead didnāt turn down 500k from the Gleague to get less at Duke. Similar for Duren at Memphis Iām sure.
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Thatās where KU and Bill/staff is going to have to figure out how to enhance these kids opportunities with the NIL. Canāt just sell tradition, KU brand, KU reputation anymore to these 5 star types. Self is going to have to in my opinion step outside his character box and make KU the most attractive option.
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@BShark I saw where Durenās pro deal was 2M so FedEX really ponied up for him.
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@BeddieKU23 I know KU was kinda ālaying lowā for awhile after the NCAA crap (believe @FarmerJayhawk can confirm this) and if I had to guess given the recent recruiting uptick the deathstar is fully operational again.
@Woodrow said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@BShark I saw where Durenās pro deal was 2M so FedEX really ponied up for him.
Hot damn.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Yeah definitely a concern Rice could take a better deal somewhere but for now he is committed and that at least is something. Gortman didnāt commit anywhere before taking that deal. KU will presumably be able to be in his ear about staying the College routeā¦
ya I know he didnāt commit. 650,000 for a ONE yr deal to an 18 yr old kid is ALOT of money and not having to go to school. Just play ball. - -But I agree with you too my friend he committed so thatās something even if itās just a verbal but better then a kick in the pants , like you said Staff still gonna have to stay on him till then. EVEN if he is only here for a year which if he comes I canāt see him probably staying any longer then that but who knows - -here is hoping - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Yeah definitely a concern Rice could take a better deal somewhere but for now he is committed and that at least is something. Gortman didnāt commit anywhere before taking that deal. KU will presumably be able to be in his ear about staying the College routeā¦
Plus the money can be better in college. Dariq Whitehead didnāt turn down 500k from the Gleague to get less at Duke. Similar for Duren at Memphis Iām sure.
Very true , just depends on the individual. Letās see play the Devils advocate letās see what Sharpe does ?
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Sharpe is going to Kentucky. Done just not announced.
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You could say, Sharpe has been Sharpieād to UK for a while now.
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@Woodrow said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@BShark I saw where Durenās pro deal was 2M so FedEX really ponied up for him.
Holy cripes.
To @BSharkās point, we didnāt land Precious Achiwua because we werenāt willing to play ball with his guy. Also all but confirmed Rayjon Tucker got a big bag to commit to Memphis after being a silent commit to KU.
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We need to get Cordell Livingston (Chrisās twin brother) to KU. Walk-on with a big NIL deal, I donāt care.
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@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Sharpe is going to Kentucky. Done just not announced.
If he doesnāt go Overtime donāt be so sure. - He turned down one pro team but it was because of their status - still relative young - but with overtime I wouldnāt be so sure Most of the UK fans on their boards are now sayig they donāt think he is coming after his interview they all think he is going G league
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Walk-on with a big NIL deal, I donāt care.
Who doesnāt eat potato chips or candy bars? Whereās Frito-Lay or M&M/Mars when you need them?
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Well, Frito-Lay can barely pay their own employees apparently.
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@tis4tim said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Walk-on with a big NIL deal, I donāt care.
Who doesnāt eat potato chips or candy bars? Whereās Frito-Lay or M&M/Mars when you need them?
Wonder if heās a big dog guy? Hillās pet food is amazing
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@tis4tim said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Walk-on with a big NIL deal, I donāt care.
Who doesnāt eat potato chips or candy bars? Whereās Frito-Lay or M&M/Mars when you need them?
their right here in Topeka lol
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@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Well, Frito-Lay can barely pay their own employees apparently.
Maybe their jump shots suck.
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And that is where it becomes a different game. Coaches just to get players are going to have to also be half-assed agents. Saban and Dabo get it, Young and the guy with the first name DJ
(yeah, Iām being lazy again) raking it in - ESPN (imagine that, considering that they televise the four team playoff) even promoting those two schools on the bottom line.I support the ruling, but it is definitely a work in progress. KU is going to have to rely on Wichita and KC or owners with ties to KU for contracts.
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What I like about the Rice signing, other than him being a baller, it reopens the Prolific Prep pipeline and Cali.
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What I like about the Rice signing, other than him being a baller, it reopens the Prolific Prep pipeline and Cali.
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Rice is a North Carolina kid, just doing the prep school thing. He was at Oak Hill before PP. AAU connection helped here (Team Loaded which Frank and Dave played for).
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@Marco You can say that again!
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As if people didnāt already know , Iām just going to put this out there, you can either take it FWIW or you donāt have to. But for all the oneās out there and not even saying itās anyone in this site BUT there ARE some KU people who think we have a shot - - -Iām telling you here and now for the oneās who think that there is any chance in Hell that Livingston might commit to KU - - -Pssst please
We have just about as much a chance of getting Livingston to commit here as I have to becoming the Pope tomorrow lol - thatās all. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Memphis or Overtime Elite for Livingston.
Not sure how OTE is going to make money tbh.
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Memphis is out on the Livingston bros. Not sure where he lands.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Memphis is out on the Livingston bros. Not sure where he lands.
Interesting! Donāt think he fits at this point positionally with KU. Obviously a very good player but already bringing in 2 5* caliber players at the 3/4.
Maybe it will indeed be Overtime then.
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@BShark I knowā¦ But he now lives, schools and balls with Cali kids, right?.. Rightā¦ So Cali is somewhat open. But the Carolina connection, coming through yet againā¦
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@FarmerJayhawk heāll be a Jayhawk or pro. I would say pro.
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@mayjay said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@Marco You can say that again!
Lol. It opened some. Rice is balling with Cali players now, right? Think that he talks about KU? That in itself a is a door. Not to mention the Prolific connection.
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Looks like Bryce Griggs is going pro as well, high 4 star PG that KU was recruiting.
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Brief one time Target 5 star PF Kijani Wright to USC. No surprise given their recent success with bigs to the league.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Looks like Bryce Griggs is going pro as well, high 4 star PG that KU was recruiting.
Not too surprised there, looked like KU and others had moved on.
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@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Looks like Bryce Griggs is going pro as well, high 4 star PG that KU was recruiting.
Not too surprised there, looked like KU and others had moved on.
Bad choice. He is not pro.
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Well, he is a pro right now. He signed a pro contract.
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1.2 million is Griggs deal for 2 years. You donāt turn that down.
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If a Top 50 kid is getting over a million for 2 years to go pro its hard to imagine the NIL ever competing with that. Imagine the price for the cream of the crop kids. Dillon Mitchell, #28 was just offered 2 million for 2 years.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
If a Top 50 kid is getting over a million for 2 years to go pro its hard to imagine the NIL ever competing with that. Imagine the price for the cream of the crop kids. Dillon Mitchell, #28 was just offered 2 million for 2 years.
Kinda hard to see this league making money tbh.
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Time will tell, but when top programs like KU get their NIL programs running to the fullest I canāt imagine that players arenāt making close to that.
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
Time will tell, but when top programs like KU get their NIL programs running to the fullest I canāt imagine that players arenāt making close to that.
The key will be that they can offer solid money plus an education. The mistake before was trying to argue that the education alone was worth passing up millions of dollars (hint: it wasnāt). But if you can offer a guy $200,000 or so per year plus education and training, thatās not bad.
The key is to make the college route competitive. That will be a challenge because obviously these pro opportunities can offer something similar (partnering with a University of Phoenix or similar for online courses) but that is probably still a ways out, though it could come together quickly.
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In time maybe NIL will be a good option. In the short run the OTE is definitely offering big bucks. Guess they have some deep pocket investors for now. If this jumps off then its tough to compete with. If its crumbles then weāll see.
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@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
If a Top 50 kid is getting over a million for 2 years to go pro its hard to imagine the NIL ever competing with that. Imagine the price for the cream of the crop kids. Dillon Mitchell, #28 was just offered 2 million for 2 years.
Kinda hard to see this league making money tbh.
Wonder the same but I guess weāll see what happens after 1 year. Either a short term boom or a long term problem for College B Ball
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:
If a Top 50 kid is getting over a million for 2 years to go pro its hard to imagine the NIL ever competing with that. Imagine the price for the cream of the crop kids. Dillon Mitchell, #28 was just offered 2 million for 2 years.
Kinda hard to see this league making money tbh.
Wonder the same but I guess weāll see what happens after 1 year. Either a short term boom or a long term problem for College B Ball
If this continues , and these pro league make a run of this - - you wonāt see NCAA College Basketball down the line - it will be history , NCAA Basketball just canāt compete with these guys
