Langford
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Yes, I believe it helps with Langford. Vick situation depends on whether he is projected to be drafted. He started hot but has waned quite a bit.
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If he watched Sunday’s game and wasn’t convinced well I’ll laugh at him for the rest of time. That’s as good as it gets for a recruiting advantage. I don’t think we are done impressing either. This ride is continuing all the way to Monday Night.
Having said that I’m not sure what effect winning has on recruits such as Langford. He knows all 3 situations, he knows the coaches, the cultures, the styles of play. He’s about maximizing his one year for the pro’s. We have a father that’s involved on a similar level to some others.
He’s a fantastic talent, I think KU needs him to compete for a title next season as I’ve stated multiple times but I also have this sense that Langford isn’t as much concerned about KU as what comes next. And for the most part every player that’s come to KU that “doesn’t unpack the bags” ends up hurting us when it counts most in March. I’ve also seen reports that he is the type that would put his mind and body on the line wherever he goes as he’s had tremendous pressure surrounding him this year as Indiana goes crazy over his every move. I’ve seen reports that he’s handled everything thrown at him very well. He could have went to other higher profile schools but wanted to be around his team and his hometown. Self will demand he unpack his bags if he wants that challenge, he’ll be here. Just my thoughts here.
Vick… Who knows. This version of Vick is the one we all thought might be NBA gone after season’s end. I’d imagine a tourney run would give him momentum, get a combine invite, see how he tests and plays etc. I still think he’s leaving but I would love to be wrong. The passion he’s showing on the court for the past month would be awesome to have back. If Vick is going to ever break out of his shell from the type of person he is, leading a young bunch of guys next season could be what he needs to make it professionally.
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@BeddieKU23 I agree. - -I do know or well at least what I had read was that his Dad has said that they wanted to watch the teams more see their style of play more to see how he would fit - -Watch the Coaching style and how the Coach is using his players how he inner acts. - I would think he would be able to see how Coach has been able to work with our current group and see how they have developed and even though they said they wouldn’t be making another trip to Lawrence with us advancing and making this run - could do nothing but help us - him being able to see how Coach is getting these guys to be more aggressive , let him see how they are developing - put that on top of the National exposure to showcase his talents he would be getting has got to be a plus for us. - Your are 100% - right. - If he didn’t take notice of yesterdays game then - I don’t know what to say - -That game was a classic - -a battle of two blue bloods being show cased. - -By far the best game of the tourney this year - hands down. - -Plus next Saturday could be another classic.
I have to agree with you again - -I too still think Vick is gone after this year - -he is turning it up some again re-emerging has been playing pretty well for a bit now - I just feel that he either will be drafted or over sea’s - -I know it was one play but it was a HUGE play a big time reaction - - -when he was in the middle of that zone and think it was in the overtime - -Graham got him the ball and it had barely hit his hands and he kicked it out to Malik for that huge shot - -just like BAM - - BAM so quick - that’s big boy play there. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Read this morning that our 3 boys at the McDonalds all star is all up in Romeo’s ear - - Mainly Grimes - -trying to get him on board to come to KU - -telling him what the three of them could do at KU. - Romeo says he talks with Grimes a lot - -Dotson says he has talked to him some - Mc Cormack has talked to him some - but mainly Grimes - - Romeo say will probably be towards the end of April when he decides - -wants to get these all star games out of the way. - -GET ER DONE BOYRS – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Man!!! I dont want to see Vick leave! I really dont. He could be a lotto pick if he came back and it could be HIS team next year. But I also want Langford at KU. We cant have both can we??
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@Lulufulu Do you really want Vick to be the leader of a team?
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@Kcmatt7 Well no, but from an experience level he would be.
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Langford is waiting to see a couple of things.
- What happens with grad transfers
- What happens with guys and the NBA
I don’t know what Vick is going to do at this point. I’m really not sure what he should do.
If KU wins the title, Newman probably has to leave. With the tournament he’s had, he almost has to go. Even if they don’t win it, Newman has shown something this month that may mean he needs to go. He was an elite talent coming out of HS. He has gotten back to that elite level. His efficiency has exploded, and he’s done all of this while averaging fewer than 1.5 turnovers per game, and his rebounding numbers are up.
Every important stat is up from his year at MSU - FG%, PPG, FT%, 3PT%, REB, STL, TO - Malik has become a better all around player, and now his scoring is back to the level a lot of people envisioned when he was coming out of HS (averaged 30 a game in HS). Let’s not forget that he was better than Devin Booker coming out of HS. He has shown the handle and shooting stroke, along with a renewed commitment on the defensive end, that could get him paid this year.
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@justanotherfan Speaking of grad transfers there have been some whisperings of an interesting one that would end up at KU if needed. Would have to miss on Langford though.
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@BShark Who would that be? I’m looking at the 247 board but I don’t see anything.
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@Kcmatt7 I’m not sure if this has been posted about.
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@BShark Jalen Brunson
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@FarmerJayhawk ha. please!
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@Kcmatt7 I don’t think Vick wants to be the leader. I think he would defer to someone more outspoken if he returns, even if we would be better off having his experience around the green guys. I hope he comes back; I think he could be a big help. I hope through all of his emotional ups and downs, he has had an “ah ha” moment after the win against Duke, and decided that he wants to be a Jayhawk one more year, with some sense of passage to a new stage of life with the same scenery. But it’s just as likely he decides a change of scenery is the right prescription and moves on, whether it appears to be best for him from an outsider’s perspective or not.
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Mitch and doke have done a great job w/Silvio. Have always thought it needs to be a guy on the court, u think?
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@Lulufulu A senior Vick is better than a freshman Langford. We also need some upperclassman experience and leadership.
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@LSH If he is the same player as this year, I’ll take a Langford.
If Vick has a great offseason, I’d probably take a Vick.
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justanotherfan said:
Langford is waiting to see a couple of things.
- What happens with grad transfers
- What happens with guys and the NBA
I don’t know what Vick is going to do at this point. I’m really not sure what he should do.
If KU wins the title, Newman probably has to leave. With the tournament he’s had, he almost has to go. Even if they don’t win it, Newman has shown something this month that may mean he needs to go. He was an elite talent coming out of HS. He has gotten back to that elite level. His efficiency has exploded, and he’s done all of this while averaging fewer than 1.5 turnovers per game, and his rebounding numbers are up.
Every important stat is up from his year at MSU - FG%, PPG, FT%, 3PT%, REB, STL, TO - Malik has become a better all around player, and now his scoring is back to the level a lot of people envisioned when he was coming out of HS (averaged 30 a game in HS). Let’s not forget that he was better than Devin Booker coming out of HS. He has shown the handle and shooting stroke, along with a renewed commitment on the defensive end, that could get him paid this year.
Don’t forget the most important stat went down from the previous years…number of run ins with the Po-Po. He’s stayed pretty clean in the last year and a half or so.
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Here’s the weird thing about Vick - even though we have complained about his consistency, Vick has seen his numbers improve from last season, both overall and on a rate basis, with the exception of FT shooting.
He’s better across the board, particularly on his 2 pt shooting, where he’s at 56%. True shooting is up 2%. Effective FG% is up 4%. Defensive rebounding % is up 1.5%. Offensive rebounding % is up 0.3%. He’s nearly doubled his assist %, while cutting half a percent off his turnover %. All the while, his usage is up 3 points.
Defensively he has taken a bit of a step back, but part of that could also be that this KU team isn’t great defensively, which drags each individual’s numbers down.
Does that make him an NBA draft pick? I don’t know. But I think it shows that he can play in the NBA.
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@bmensch1 Did I miss Malik run-ins with the law?
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I though he was talking about Vick, but he really did no have any run-ins with the Police either, only with his girlfriend (he said/she said) and I seem to remember that was handled internally by KU.
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Oddly, I tend to lean Langford, though I might think differently tomorrow. Just a little underwhelmed with Vick. But I just don’t know. And I think I doubt Vick being any sort of leader. That may be the real question for next season, with all that talent, where is the team leader? Where is a grad transfer like Tarik Black when you need it – character-wise and leadership-wise.
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@Kcmatt7 It’s a good trade for a Sr. Vick if Langford stays for 2 or more years. Otherwise, Vick has too much experience with Self’s way of playing and with winning to trade for a one year Freshman Langford.
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@LSH Langford is being projected as a top 10 pick so definitely just one year.
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mayjay said:
@bmensch1 Did I miss Malik run-ins with the law?
No…I messed up…had vick on the brain…not malik. Sorry about that
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I worry about who will be the team leaders as well. I also think this could be good for us in a way. You have a lot of new pieces that can form their own identity and figure it out on their own. We’ve been fortunate enough to pass the baton on so to speak to guys waiting in the wings but I don’t think that option exists unless Doke returns. He’s got some fight to him. We’ll see I expect Dedric to be a vocal piece next season
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I think Dotson will emerge as a leader.
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@LSH Seems to me like it could end up being a situation where we are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Vick may become the de facto leader because of his experience instead of a natural leader taking over the team next season. And that seems like a disaster to me.
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@Kcmatt7 I’m pretty sure Newman and Vick are gone.
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@BShark I feel very confident that they are too. I wouldn’t waste another year of potential earnings if I were either of them. Vick could go play overseas next year for a pretty penny, or he could stay here an MAYBE play himself into the 2nd round. I’d take the money now.
I think the Langfords are just being smart and waiting out the process, because there really is no reason to rush it.
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Langford is an elite level talent. From a talent perspective, its difficult to compare him to Vick. Obviously, Vick has the experience edge, but Langford is incredibly talented and could likely make up that experience gap.
Next year’s team likely struggles a bit early on because they have to integrate a lot of new pieces. The good thing is that it looks like everyone can probably fit together from a basketball perspective. There’s not a lot of overlapping skills and preferences that could cause guys to get in each others’ way.
It took Newman most of the season to figure out how to be most effective because he needed time to work with Doke and everyone else on where people would be. Notice how his drives early in the season seemed to be into very congested spots, but now he seems to be driving into open space? That’s getting used to where people go, how they cut, etc. There was a play in the Duke game where Svi cut baseline and Malik found him for a perfect reverse layup. Early in the season, Malik either drives too early and gets cut off, or Svi cuts to early and the timing isn’t there. Now, that play works out perfectly because Malik arrives in the lane at the same time Svi is making his cut. If either one is half a beat off, that play isn’t there. It may not result in a turnover, but it certainly doesn’t result in an easy layup.
That takes time. That takes repetitions. That takes familiarity, which can be achieved by March, but won’t be there in November/December.
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Nice post. I think coaching has helped push Newman where he is as well. This is everything clicking at the right time for KU. I Imagine the coaches have spent a lot of time to get guys into the roles they are now. Malik was being touted big time by Self in the offseason and that certainly felt like an aberration for a while but now we’ve seen the benefits of sticking with it and continuing to fight for the best out of Newman and the team.
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A guy in the know told me Langford is done to KU, barring both Newman and Vick returning.
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That’s a done deal then, because Newman at least is going, and Vick may as well.
Landry Shamet declared for the draft today, so I can’t see Newman not declaring next week once the season is over.
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Shamet sign w/agent?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Said he plans to. Made it very clear he isn’t coming back.
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@justanotherfan Mercy - - Marsha took a huge hit this year lol
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@jayballer73 Will find out alotta about Marsha the next few seasons, not that he didn’t build the place up a bit from Turg but I think he got pretty lucky with a few guys, it will be interesting. I believe we are +1 in terms of Scholarships to players currently with whom we have signed. I’d bet cold hard cash at least Newman is gone and Vick just may go to. My inside sources said months ago Newman was forsure gonna go before his recent up tick, someone will draft him and take chance with his scoring capability.
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@kjayhawks Marsha’s juco transfer didn’t pan out either. Not sure if it was injury or illness. I know he couldn’t practice till fall until he passed summer classes.
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@kjayhawks I’ve felt Newman was gone for a long time now. - - Whether it be NBA - or Oversea’s - -either way - -I too think Vick also gone - -refer about Newman - -Vick the same way - -I just think they ae ready or they want to start pulling in some money
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I heard Newman growing up in a 2 bedroom home w/dad and dads 2 siblings and gma. Wonder where his mom is at? So many sad stories, hurts my heart.
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I am excited about the possibility of signing Romeo Langford. Langford will make it 4 McD’s AA in our recruiting class next year (possible 5 if we count de Sousa who came a semster early.) Is this a record for KU?
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I don’t believe De Sousa is a McDonald All-American.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
A guy in the know told me Langford is done to KU, barring both Newman and Vick returning.
That’s certainly encouraging news!
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@JayHawkFanToo Silvio would have absolutely been a Mickey D’s this year. If Im not mistaken the kid was a 5 star recruit
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Most rankings had him as a 4 Star ranked anywhere between 30-40, so likely not a McDonald All-American.
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@BShark was Trae Y to OU a family business decision?
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I heard Newman growing up in a 2 bedroom home w/dad and dads 2 siblings and gma. Wonder where his mom is at? So many sad stories, hurts my heart.
This article has more on Malik’s childhood; apparently Mom was still in his life after he moved in with his dad.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article207530979.html
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I still think RL picks KU. I was reading Big Dave’s interview about RL. DMack said, “I don’t know why he doesn’t just pick KU…” Dotson, Grimes, McCormack, and RL will definitely want to take the team to the promised land. I don’t know if I want to lose anyone. I really don’t care what Vick does either way. I am more concerned about Newman. My ideal desire would be for Vick to leave, keep Newman, and to gain RL. I’m just not sure what Vick and Newman will do at this point. I definitely think they will be at the NBA combines. I want Langford one way or another. I’m just not sure at this point.
Garrett
Doke? I have a funny feeling he’s back. He is an academic AA. He’s not mentioned in any mock drafts either.
DeSousa
Moore
Lawsonx2
Meeotch
Dotson
Grimes
DMack
Obajai
Newman
Vick
Svi
DG
Cunliffe - transfer, like Whitman? He could go to a D2 school and tear it up.
Langford? If Cunliffe transfers, we could keep both Newman and Vick if they wanted to make another run.
Who am I missing? By this count, it makes 15 with Cunliffe, Vick, or Newman gone. If I chose between Vick and Cunliffe, I think Vick is better for chemistry. But, Langford will be looking at playing time. If Vick and Newman stay, Langford will go Vandy. So losing Cunliffe would not help with Langford. We may keep all and miss on Langford. If we want Langford, we will need Vick to declare. I would like Newman to stay.
