Jaybate This Is Your Day
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@BShark All those people that were slamming Bill for not recruiting well…OMG. They meet with KU, find out there’s no money coming from us, and they sign with the money train ( AZ ).
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@KUSTEVE I’m not as much of a true believer as you. I sure hope you are right though. Rumours abound right now that people are already flipping others.
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Maybe they bring in Larry Brown as interim coach to ensure a squeaky clean probationary period for UL. After all he has lots of experience.
At being interim, I mean. Squeaky clean? Well, not so much.
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@BShark Yep makes sense
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@KUSTEVE Borrow whatever you like. I do expect a cut from any money you make though.
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BShark said:
@KUSTEVE I’m not as much of a true believer as you. I sure hope you are right though. Rumours abound right now that people are already flipping others.
I’m just worried myself , with this as being as big as it is , and we have a LONG way to go on this, your going to see ALOT of recruits re-open their process Simmons & Ramey already de-committed from Louisville. I’m just afraid with KU being such a big part of Adidas, for us to come out in touched in some form shape or another, hopefully IF anything would be minor, like I was hearing off a podcast this is certainly going to put a cloud over College basketball for some time of course old Fran was talking about how happy he was this had happened , saying he had talked to a lot of College Coaches and for the most part these Coaches were trying to do it the right way.
Could really put a halt to any early commits to see how this plays out and what Schools are going to get what. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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There was actually a pretty good post about this on the phog that I tend to agree with.
It’s extremely likely that the vast majority of schools have had player(s) that were paid by the shoecos. That, quite frankly, isn’t even controllable. They were bidding on kids to go to Adidas, Nike, UA schools. The difference is if there was direct involvement with assistant coaches or not. So, say Adidas wins out for Wiggins, promises him a big contract after school. He just has to pick an Adidas school. Well okay let’s call up Kansas and commit, only Adidas school on his list. This does line-up with the KU coaches being somewhat surprised with his commitment IF you believe that.
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Well, I think how KU recruits in the next month or two will tell us how our staff feels about being involved. I’m sure Bill had a heart to heart with each coach to make sure we are or are not involved in anything.
Either we will be aggressive and take advantage of the upcoming chaos with a monster class (and possibly an eligible big man to bolster our front line this year, but that would just be crazy lucky), or we will be in damage control. I think the staff’s actions over the next few weeks will speak a lot towards their innocence.
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Let me tell you about a mystery recruit. Name rhymes with Mason Baitem. Mason grew up watching KU on tv. His family had multiple KU fans in fact, I believe a grad as well. But, Mason was a Nike kid. So when it came time for his final cut, his childhood team did not make the list. This came as a shock to some, but SWOOSH there it is. Ultimately Mason ends up at a school that rhymes with Puke.
Names changed to protect the “innocent”.
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Do I believe Duke directly cheated there? Probably not. I would imagine Duke just takes advantage of being a premier brand and Nike.
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark All those people that were slamming Bill for not recruiting well…OMG. They meet with KU, find out there’s no money coming from us, and they sign with the money train ( AZ ).
PHOF!
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@BShark Not even a glance from him. Never understood. Worked out fine in the end. But then there is always the, what if scenario if we got both him and JJ. What a trio we could have had. Or even, imagine the 5 guard lineup with JJ at the 4 and JT at the 5…
I’m hoping this all works in our favor. This bomb being dropped could be just what Bill needed to land those National Championship pieces we keep losing out to schools at the last second for apparently unknown reasons.
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Ok, how about this one? Louie-ville turns around, and hires Little Pitino …wouldn’t that be hilarious??? I don’t think that would ever happen, but wouldn’t that be funny as hell?
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@mayjay lololol. how about bringing in Pitino’s son? make it an “all in the family” job.
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@Kcmatt7 The fact they set up a recruiting visit for Langford ( if he is half the player Keith was, I want him ) speaks volumes, in my books.
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It kind of blows me away that Louisville is going to get the death penalty (potentially anyways) after this but they didn’t get it after using hookers to recruit players.
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I saw the shoe crap coming a mile away.
Another cheating that HAS to be going on as well is freshman eligibility. If you are under 35 years old you probably don’t remember when the SAT was actually hard for these academic genius basketball players. Prop 48 came around in 1986 and back then players actually couldn’t get the necessary scores on the SAT or ACT. Studs like Larry Johnson(Jr college route), Glenn “Big Dog” Robinson(out his freshman year), etc, etc couldn’t get the grades.
So of course after being barraged with calls of racism the NCAA changed the requirements a bit. Instead of just the SAT and ACT having a score you absolutely must get, they introduced a sliding scale. They now use a combination of high school gpa and a sliding scale test score needed. So if you get a 3.0 in high school you only need a 620 SAT. Of course if you actually earned an HONEST 3.0 then scoring a freaking 800 should be easy. So you can see where this would lead. Fixing high school grades. That way if that is ever caught the colleges have nothing to do with it. See Darrell Arthur.
People at all levels are using these kids and could care less if they actually get an education.
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@wissox It’s the cumulative effect of having so many major violations in such a short timeframe that’ll get them a potential death penalty.
Arizona is also likely to get a pretty steep punishment as well based on the number of players they have involved as well as an assistant coach involved as well.
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@BigBad As a veteran inner city school teacher, all you have to do to earn a 3.0 is come to school and work hard. We have so many low performing students that we reward kids for their hard work. There often is a huge disconnect between ACT scores and GPA in our schools.
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BShark said:
Do I believe Duke directly cheated there? Probably not. I would imagine Duke just takes advantage of being a premier brand and Nike.
And now Nike is being pulled in - - seen this off the Louisville board - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@wissox Exactly. This is why you hardly ever see any ineligible freshman. Not that the kids are smarter now. They have such low expectations to meet.
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@mayjay According to a KC Star article a couple weeks ago, Larry Brown is available.
Actually, in this story, Brown mentions being best buddies with Silvio De Sousa’s 32-year-old “guardian,” Fenny Palmagne. Also the guardian of Bruno Fernando who is going to play for Turg at Maryland this year.
Not that any of that makes me nervous or anything about De Sousa’s sudden surprise decision to go to KU or anything.
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Nike handlers had dirt on the FBI handlers who…and so on and so forth.
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And add Bama to the list of programs that are taking a hit. No surprise. Ferguson and Sexton come to mind. Starting to make more sense.
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@Kcmatt7 Hmmmm, and Bama ends up at Kentucky. - - well now wonder how that happened? - - -Did Kentucky send some money his way or some kind of way. - -Something about Kentucky smells in this whole thing too. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Kcmatt7 said:
And add Bama to the list of programs that are taking a hit. No surprise. Ferguson and Sexton come to mind. Starting to make more sense.
Looks like this came from an internal investigation too. Makes sense, sacrifice basketball people because lawd forbid anyone sniffs around their football program too long!
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jayballer54 said:
@Kcmatt7 Hmmmm, and Bama ends up at Kentucky. - - well now wonder how that happened? - - -Did Kentucky send some money his way or some kind of way. - -Something about Kentucky smells in this whole thing too. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
World Wide Wes.
We will find out quickly just how bulletproof Cal is.
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Rumours are flying about UK right now. Might be nailed for Quickley. Might be someone at Miami turning. Miami supposedly offered 150k but UK went to 250k to close.
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Louisville is already on schedule to forfeit well over 100 games, its national title and final four appearances; it is now under appeal and based on the new events likely will not prevail.
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I never minded Louisville during the Denny Crum years, but Pitino is such an arrogant jerk I’ve despised them. IMHO they stole the title from Michigan, or if you will, were handed the title by some pretty bad officiating. The block by Trey Burke on the fast break was a spectacular block and the refs called it a foul. I turned the game off at that point. Pitino’s sordid affair in the bar bathroom and subsequent abortion was awful, the prostitutes. Man this school made Tarkanian look like St. Paul.
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@BShark links?
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@BShark I want that to be true.
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Until an agent with ties to Nike lean power players and Nike contracted schools, and a Nike official both fall in this case, i can’t yet take the stand that this involves the cavalry coming.
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It has to be Quickly. The report states that Miami had offered a player 150k, and was outbid. Oh my goodness. Is the Squid’s day of judgement finally on us?
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For these implicated programs, hopefully this opportunity to clean house thoroughly is not wasted. Also, I think this is an opportunity for the NCAA to reassert itself and find a new identity amidst the ashes of moral bankruptcy. Maybe they could start by banning Nike, Adidas and Under Armour from sponsoring any college teams. Can they do that?
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KUSTEVE said:
It has to be Quickly. The report states that Miami had offered a player 150k, and was outbid. Oh my goodness. Is the Squid’s day of judgement finally on us?
The player in the report is Nas Little. Quickley is new speculation.
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@approxinfinity I doubt the NCAA can regulate that. Somebody has to make the uniforms for programs.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m pretty sure there are a few other sports apparel companies that would gladly take on ncaam contracts?
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@jaybate-1.0 Gatto has ties to Nike. I highly doubt he just started buying players at Adidas so if he starts squealing about what he did at Nike and who was involved there, then there could be some major implications at Nike as well.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn’t mean football. That’s a lot more equipment… I mean, until the other (football) shoe falls.
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The NCAA’s likely job appears to be to blame this on those without deep enough legal pockets to fight back (I.e., assistant coaches), and save the big petroshoeco checks for the “member institutions.”
College basketball would not even be in this nightmare had the NCAA ever adequately done its nominal job.
Hoping for the NCAA to clean up college basketball is like hoping for a metadrug cartel to clean up the drug business.
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@jaybate-1.0 so the first step is determining what we would like the NCAA to be and do, and step two is to hit social media hard and demand justice right? Isn’t this how it works in today’s America? Should we start tweeting the hell out of #ncaa #shoeco #corruption #basketball ?
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If Gatto left Nike for adidas, then I would think it likely this story comes to a screeching halt. Gatto takes his medice, a couple assistants take the fall, and its play ball and resume wall of silence on not just a swamp, but a tar pit.
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@jaybate-1.0 I would say it largely depends on how much prison time Gatto is looking at. We know he’s not of high character so I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he starts throwing everyone under the bus to avoid as much prison time as possible without regard for Nike or Adidas affiliation.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Jim Gatto’s new shoe affiliation: https://www.bobbarker.com/products.html
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@Texas-Hawk-10 gatto has been w/adidas a long time. It was another guy that recently switched from Nike to adidas. http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2017/09/adidas_nike_officials_charged.html
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I’m not yet knowledgeable enough to suggest specific reform, but yes, that’s partly how it works. The Drake Group awhile back proposed abolishing the NCAA and replacing it with a federally chartered corporation with a Presidentially appointed commissioner that runs the game, if I recall correctly. I’ve been expecting them to surface shortly and argue racism with all the assistants being AfAm and abolish the NCAA.
Many want control of this D1 cash cow . I wonder if the FBI were tipped off by some that wish to become the new head honchos of D1. No evidence yet.
Advocating reform paths first requires identifying both the axis of private oligarchy that controls it now, AND the one that is willing to tip the FBI to start the destabilization of the NCAA to acquire control of it. We want both those groups kept as far from the game as possible.
Gaming, media, shoes and agents have to fenced completely out of control; this much is obvious. But at this scale of global gaming, media, shoes and agencies, we are dealing as much with the biggest of the big private oligarchies, and that in turn means their intelligence and mil-int Deep Staters. I truly believe it goes this deep. Global sports is too big for the Big Dogs to leave alone. It represents propaganda power, black money laundering through gaming, oil demand for migrating from natural to synthetic fibers, mind control through marketing, and so on. Any one of these are too big and important to leave to chance, or appropriation by an enemy.
So: Our only chance to save basketball from total engineered subordination (Rollerball-ization) to the NWO (which is already here and established in most sectors) is to come up with a reform framework that either enlists TPTB in sports legitimacy, or pits them all against each other as checks and balances.
I’m just not smart enough to know what would be feasible and for the best. I am sorry.
But there does appear a possible window.
Rock Chalk!
Save the Greatest Game Ever Invented!
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@jaybate-1.0 I would love to see a group controlling CBB that opens up broadcast rights to local channels and a la carte offerings.
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It seems much stronger consumer advocacy groups could keep people perpetually vigilant and rejecting the major shoecos, affiliated AAU programs, and college programs, and would be able to encourage people to reject big media if they didn’t have a coverage Monopoly. There is a need.
