Jaybate This Is Your Day
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This all started because they got something on one guy, and he very quickly started helping them uncover more.
Sometimes I wonder if the FBI might have known of this sort of thing for some time and were PERHAPS encouraged to pursue a potential set of prospective state’s witnesses at this time in order to move them up an investigative food chain yielding some prospective benefit to one political interest, or another.
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Ah, Pittsburg! Home base of the Mellons and the Dapper Dan and Sonny Vacarro!
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Have any Jayhawk OADers signed pro commercial contracts with Adidas after leaving KU?
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You ask: is this the end of college basketball? That prompted the following: What if amateur college basketball died quite some time ago and what we have been watching for some time has been entertainment-value driven
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@REHawk after 2015, diallo.
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McLemore, Wiggins and Embiid come to mind.
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There were three schemes outlined and the third one was described as a goal to have the athlete agree to sign a contract with Adidas after turning pro. That immediately reminded me of Wiggins who was seen uncharacteristically wearing Adidas shoes the morning of his announcement to come to KU.
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@bskeet Don’t recruits get things like shoes on visits?
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NCAA must be having parties galore. For years they have been hampered by not having subpoena power. Riding on FBI’s back must be quite exciting. Like 2001’s Star Baby, they are watching all the bombs explode and thinking, “Where to begin?”
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Some players either confirmed or speculated to be involved in this whole thing.
Brian “Tugs” Bowen- recieved 100k from Adidas to land at Louisville. Louisville coaches involved. Jordan Fair the assistant in question is also responsible for UL’s top recruit in 2018 to date Anfernee Simons. hmmm
Nasir Little - Top 25 2018 recruit. Had KU on his list, long rumored to be going to Arizona… His AAU coach was arrested. Might have been paid 150k to land at Miami which didn’t happen? The last part of that involving Miami’s involvement. Little, after hearing of the report reportedly re-opened his recruitment (having not been officially committed anywhere to begin with) then deleted the post. Little was supposed to visit Miami this weekend. Can’t imagine he’ll be playing College Ball.
DeAndre Ayton. Rumored ASM which was also listed in this whole ordeal funneled 500k to the Ayton family to land at Zona. That would explain the last second ditching of KU…The big CHECK cleared. We’ll see how this progresses.
Two other Arizona players are listed but haven’t seen which one’s yet. Rawle Alkins and Trier would be 2 guesses but we’ll see. Maybe Kobe Simmons as well. I’m pretty sure the assistant fired “book” Richardson was directly involved in their recruitments.
Balsa Koprivica- Top 10 2019 recruit KU has been after.
Jahvon Quinerly- Top 30 2018 recruit signed to Arizona… allegedly paid at least 15k? Was supposed to visit KU before canceling and committing to Miller.
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article175583296.html
DeAthony Melton & Charles O’Bannon of USC. Melton a Soph and O’Bannon the son of Charles O’Bannon. KU was after O’Bannon for a bit.
Hearing the South Carolina players in question could be PJ Dozier & Thornwell, 2 kids largely responsible for their Final 4 run.
As for Auburn, well we already know Pearl was tainted but his assistant is probably tied to them getting any recruit that was highly rated. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Heron, Purifoy, Wiley, and incoming freshman Mitchell, Okeke involved in some way… No way that many Top 100 kids land at Auburn “freely”.
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@BeddieKU23 KU backed off Simmons and O’Bannon… Gives me a slight pulse of hope.
Several that worry me though, and it’s going to be awhile before all the dust settles.
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Highly recommend reading that article fully. Puts stuff in perspective.
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I don’t know if this article has been posted, but some have mentioned that indicted Lamont Evans from OkState was an ass’t coach at S Carolina previously. He left in April 2016. Here is the local paper’s discussion of Evans and more specifics regarding the allegations against him:
Interestingly, he is quoted as leaving SC for OSt because of more lucrative corruption opportunities. Does ESPN or US News rate colleges on a scale for that?
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@jaybate-1.0 more likely than not, this one guy was caught committing fraud and that was what opened the investigation. It wasn’t a probe into CBB, but a probe into this mans finances that lead to them seeing a much larger illegal activity going on in CBB.
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I only mentioned that KU was involved in recruiting them. It’s reassuring that we didn’t wave the biggest check around for any of these guys as we cast a wide net in recruiting and so far nothing that is known that implicates KU doing anything wrong.
But if your Delusional Jeff at Maryland’s board all you care about is KU getting tied to this so that he can run some more articles to his subscribers. We might as well make him a We Hate Kansas t-shirt, sweatshirt, coffee mug as a nice starter kit. Sad.
I’m sure Kansas along with every single major Power 5 program is in some sort of damage control. At the least they are holding meetings to discuss if there is anything they need to get ahead of. The big bad wolf is here, not the teacher’s pet (NCAA) who might scold and slap you on the wrist. The fallout of this could be catostrophic accross the board or this is the warning shot and things slowly go back to normal. You’d hope if the FBI has more to provide that they continue to drop the hammers because otherwise people will still continue to do business.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@jaybate-1.0 more likely than not, this one guy was caught committing fraud and that was what opened the investigation. It wasn’t a probe into CBB, but a probe into this mans finances that lead to them seeing a much larger illegal activity going on in CBB.
Correct. More info came out on it. He invested some funds without permission. Of course 2.35 million is a lot of money to appear out of nowhere so it was looked into which lead to the current cases.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I only mentioned that KU was involved in recruiting them. It’s reassuring that we didn’t wave the biggest check around for any of these guys as we cast a wide net in recruiting and so far nothing that is known that implicates KU doing anything wrong.
But if your Delusional Jeff at Maryland’s board all you care about is KU getting tied to this so that he can run some more articles to his subscribers. We might as well make him a We Hate Kansas t-shirt, sweatshirt, coffee mug as a nice starter kit. Sad.
I’m sure Kansas along with every single major Power 5 program is in some sort of damage control. At the least they are holding meetings to discuss if there is anything they need to get ahead of. The big bad wolf is here, not the teacher’s pet (NCAA) who might scold and slap you on the wrist. The fallout of this could be catostrophic accross the board or this is the warning shot and things slowly go back to normal. You’d hope if the FBI has more to provide that they continue to drop the hammers because otherwise people will still continue to do business.
It’s on a knife edge with the people currently charged. It sounds like if everyone lawyers up well (duhhh) then at most people are looking at just under 3 years in jail but much more likely significantly less, even if fully convicted. Of course, all it takes is them flipping one more of these guys so that he gives out more names. Then more people get arrested, more schools are implicated and the FBI has more people to try and flip if need be.
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@BeddieKU23 Good idea! But a thought here… Did the CIA ever consider an exploding coffee cup with “Numero Uno Dictator” or “I hate USA” on it for Fidel? Seems like it could have been an entire product line and made it easier to deal with Gaddafi, Khomeini, Saddaam, and so many others. The T-shirts could have itch powder.
Heck, forget the exploding version. How about a certain Leader drinking from a “Make America Glow Again” cup (delivered by Rodman to Rocket Man) with a handle that conveniently breaks to dump hot tea all over his lap?
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I’m sure there is more that will come out from this.
Merl Code the EYBL guy I’m sure is a brain full of coaches, names, handlers, advisors, runners etc that could be a mile long list.
Will be interesting to see what other information leaks out. Now is the best time if they want the biggest audience.
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I’m curious to see what serial handlers will go to jail.
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@BeddieKU23 I’M really just kind of shell shockd. - I feel pretty comfortable saying as if I usually stay pretty much in thins but DAM, this is some crazy s- - -. - -Here is something I’ll ask maybe possibly others thinking it , but I’ll go ahead and ask it.
How many of us on this site and please be honest, how many fear that in some way we ( KU ) doesn’t get hit no matter how minor in this whole escapade one way or another? - -Even in the slightest bit. This just seems to large scale, and with us being such a huge partner with Adidas I just worry in some shape or form , and I know I can’t be the ONLY one that feels this way at least to some kind of degree. This thing is really going to snowball
Will this whole thing in turn have huge implications with shoe contracts now? - I mean Nike , Armour All, Adidas, - how will this effect the AAU circuit? Lots of questions. - AAU coaches involved, spots agents, shoe companies, Financial Advisors. - -This thing could go for awhile. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Alexander, Diallo, Wiggins, Jackson, Selby. You tell me if KU is clean… Quite ironically, KU could have mostly done fine w/o those players. Jackson I’d argue was vital though.
And I mean, presumably, KU was in a bidding war with Arizona on those recruits they lost out on. That stuff could come out. Likely not very actionable by the FBI since they didn’t pay but stuff you could be sanctioned for. Now, if most of the NCAA is guilty, what happens then?
Too many scenarios here to guess at which one plays out.
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KU has nothing to worry about right now. Everyone lawyered up, nobody is going to jail for an eternity here. If some of these people talk to plea down then we’ll see what happens.
The 2 most important factors to KU’s future I believe are the director of Adidas, what does he say when he’s being charged? The other being the EYBL guy Code. Obviously those guys have the opportunity to open another can of worms about a lot of programs.
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BeddieKU23 said:
KU has nothing to worry about right now. Everyone lawyered up, nobody is going to jail for an eternity here. If some of these people talk to plea down then we’ll see what happens.
The 2 most important factors to KU’s future I believe are the director of Adidas, what does he say when he’s being charged? The other being the EYBL guy Code. Obviously those guys have the opportunity to open another can of worms about a lot of programs.
100% agree.
Hold hands and hope, lol.
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If Cliff Alexander had been involved, his mom wouldn’t have had to get a loan.
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@DanR Literally my same thoughts. Not overly worried about him.
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PAGE 37 of a maryland thread about this and Bill Self is still dirty and they are snap-shotting what should be a live look at Self’s home when the FBI comes calling. sad world
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@BeddieKU23 Maryland fans should be more worried about how they came up with this so called fab 5 recruiting class
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@BeddieKU23 Everyone thinks because Adidas reps we’re involved… Funny because the only school popped so far that was Adidas was Louisville (who everyone had to know was paying players after they never missed a beat even after having a massive scandal).
They might find information someone got paid, but it won’t be because we knew about it. I don’t even think that they would make us vacate wins.
The funniest thing, is that UK fans keep saying we are dirty. When Camby got caught taking money and CLEARLY was paid to go to UMass. The number 1 recruit in the country picks UMass… Give me a break. But, really good stuff over on the rafters today. Entertaining.
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3genhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 Maryland fans should be more worried about how they came up with this so called fab 5 recruiting class
Don’t worry their long standing history of landing top recruits sets them apart from any of the mess. They are completely clean, free to roam about the landscape.
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There is a lot of good stuff going on everywhere. Louisville fans are pissed at their mod for wanting the program to start over fresh. Some of them want their AD to keep his job, you know the same one that’s been there for now a 3rd scandal involving the basketball program alone. So even the schools directly in the mud have the delusional types coming out of the woodworks to say otherwise.
I couldn’t make my way to UK’s board if I was given a bribe. Funny, I know.
Presently it doesn’t seem like Kentucky has much to worry about, which is the same boat I put KU in. Them pointing fingers at us is just a childish mental decision.
The FBI caught who they caught for now, if they uncover more as the fallout continues then maybe some of the bigger programs such as KU, UK, Duke etc will have something to worry about. Then the little guys can have something to cry about.
Of the Elite’s, Arizona is definitely going to see some fallout. Sean Miller was interviewed by the FBI this week. Pitino is going to be fired and from everything he’s put Louisville through, its long overdue.
I’ll be interested in seeing what people have to say in a few weeks when this starts to fade from people’s thoughts. This will be a very slow process I think
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ESPN reporting Both Pitino and AD have been fired
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I’ll be interested in seeing what the NCAA does to the current players. They should have the ability to find a new future without restriction. I can’t imagine any of their 2018 class will stick. They were loading up on talent once again.
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Feels like a Christmas game of Russian Roulette… festive, yet…
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@BeddieKU23 Good point. We still have an open scholarship and PT in the front court… Malik Williams wouldn’t hurt my feelings.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Good point. We still have an open scholarship and PT in the front court… Malik Williams wouldn’t hurt my feelings.
If he would still be eiligible and could freely transfer, then he should definitely be considered.
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@BShark I think so for sure. Not to mention, he wouldn’t be like a normal commit. He’s been weightlifting and practicing all summer so he still shouldn’t be too far behind besides learning the offense/plays. Another 7-footer added to this team is just terrifying.
Or we could add PG depth if Pearl gets the boot. Davion Mitchell could be Dotson insurance.
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The more I look, the programs in trouble were able to sign guys super early. Almost like they were able to figure out who was for sale early and then take that approach with them and get them signed as soon as the early signing period opened up.
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Kcmatt7 said:
The more I look, the programs in trouble were able to sign guys super early. Almost like they were able to figure out who was for sale early and then take that approach with them and get them signed as soon as the early signing period opened up.
I’m cautiously optimistic with KU. It never made sense to me how AZ and others were able to have crazy depth while KU struggled to get non-wing players. I mean KU has been filling the cracks with transfers and has 9 eligible players this year. Now I considered that a problem, but if it means KU wasn’t directly and profusely cheating well that’s pretty great.
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@mayjay It wasn’t that he was given shoes…
The story goes something like this… I think it was Kurtis Townsend that was recruiting Wiggins. If you recall, there wasn’t a strong indication to know which way he was going. On the day of the announcement, KT called Wiggins’ coach to see if he had any news…
The coach said something like, I don’t know but, today he’s wearing adidas shoes if that’s any indication.
The way I read it was that he had traditionally been wearing Nikes prior to that… I think he had been in Nike camps and such, so folks thought it was a foregone conclusion he would go to a Nike school.
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@bskeet Yea I think Adidas did strike a deal with Wiggins. Doesn’t mean money exchanged hands until after he graduated. But I would bet that they guaranteed to beat Nike’s offer for him no matter what. His parents were both pro athletes and everyone involved seemed to have a good head on their shoulders. I doubt they took money, knowing it could cost them millions in the long run.
Adidas can still help to persuade kids to come to KU. But it is going to take lucrative endorsement deals, and following through on promises made. They will have to build a reputation that the offer they make you before college is the one you get when you leave college.
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bskeet said:
The way I read it was that he had traditionally been wearing Nikes prior to that… I think he had been in Nike camps and such, so folks thought it was a foregone conclusion he would go to a Nike school.
But he is wearing Adidas in the pros…
I’d bet he had a deal in place prior to picking KU.
The whole thing is corrupt and I am tired of it. Id be fine with all minor leagues at this point. None of these kids want to go to school. I cringe listening to these “college educated” guys barely speak English any time a microphone is in their face.
I just cancelled NFL Sunday Ticket and honestly college basketball is next. I have better things to do with my time.
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Time to quote the good book. The love of money is the root of all evil, or in the NCAA version, the love of winning lots of basketball games is the root of all evil.
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@BShark I have never wished more on them finding things on UK in my life. I would love to see Cal go down in the worst way…
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@Kcmatt7 Wow you are right about a lot of the $$ commitments, they happened early in the cycle. Simons probably got paid by Louisville and he committed in his JR year.
Alexander still concerns me. I know his mom took a loan. It was pretty well known that his recruitment was shady and that he wanted money. My main hope is just that KU wasn’t involved directly.
Of course Self benched Alexander when he found out about the loan at least…
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@BeddieKU23 wichita state fans also have a pic of a dump truck
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@BShark I still don’t buy that Cliff’s mom, on her own, got a loan. I think Cliff was behind it all. The important issue was did Coach Self immediately suspend Cliff when the news broke. I’m of the opinion that this recruitment fiasco vindicates Coach Self. How many players have we lost to AZ over the past 5 or so years?
