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I would agree with most of what’s in that article. I would probably go a step further and start talking to Grimes about playing in the backcourt with Langford. There’s a video of a shooting contest between Grimes and Langford on youtube. Langford’s stroke is much cleaner - it’s also notable that he’s at least an inch or so taller than Grimes, which matches up with the reports that Grimes is 6-4ish, while Langford is between 6-5 and 6-6.
Grimes’ best future is playing on the ball. If he’s a wing player, he’s a dime a dozen at the next level. At 6-4, he’s a big PG that could be a game changer. It all depends on whether Grimes wants to peak as a very good college player, or as a very good NBA player.
If Grimes and Langford both come to KU, look out. I didn’t really have Langford on the radar because he was headed to Louisville, but if he flips, this whole investigation could really turn college hoops on its ear because there could be more changes coming.
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EJ Montgomery has decommitted from Auburn. No surprise there. KU is fine on bigs, provided De Sousa isn’t caught up in this mess. Some shady coach is involved with De Sousa. It’s not the guy he visited KU with but he did move from Monteverde to IMG with this coach.
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The Grimes/Langford duo is a game changer at KU if it happens. Langford has some things he needs to clean up effort wise and defensively. Lots of stuff out there that the game is just so easy for him at this point and he’s bored. Self would definitely change that quickly.
I’ve long maintained Self needs to land these type of guys to compete next year. Some combination of Dotson, Grimes, Langford at guard to go with the transfers and 2 big men we have on board is a dynamite reload
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Is it illegal for a recruit to receive money? As long as he pays taxes on the money it is likely not illegal. Of course he would no longer be able to play college sports but other than that I am not sure there are any other consequences. A cash payment made to a third or fourth or fifth party might be difficult to trace.
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BeddieKU23 said:
The Grimes/Langford duo is a game changer at KU if it happens. Langford has some things he needs to clean up effort wise and defensively. Lots of stuff out there that the game is just so easy for him at this point and he’s bored. Self would definitely change that quickly.
I’ve long maintained Self needs to land these type of guys to compete next year. Some combination of Dotson, Grimes, Langford at guard to go with the transfers and 2 big men we have on board is a dynamite reload
Buckets would rain from the sky.
Also, a defensive line-up of Grimes/Garrett/Langford/SDS/McCormack would be pretty good. And by pretty good I mean stifling. SARAN WRAP. Now I do think Dedric will start, but say you NEED a stop and the other team has taken a timeout, I’d say you go to this line-up.
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@BShark Think through this with me. Who are the recruits we should actually be worried about?
Guys that were possibly affected:
- Oubre - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Diallo - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Doke - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were KU, FSU and UNC
- Embiid - Not sure who he was recruited by. Down to UVA and UT. Not so worried about him.
- Wiggins - Recruited by Townsend - Finalists FSU and UK
- Bragg - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Jackson - Recruited by Townsend - Finalists MSU, Ariz.
- Cliff - Recruited by Snacks - Finalists Illinois and Depaul
Looking at this, I’m less worried. Cliff’s mom took out a loan. Doesn’t seem likely they got paid. If KU were in a bidding war, looks like UK would also be involved in many of these.
If anything, this was Self knowing that Adidas would take care of him without any contact from his staff to Adidas. A sort of unspoken agreement. Bill would do his part, and Adidas would do theirs with no contact necessary.
On a side not, Towns can close top 5 kids and Norm has kicked UK’s ass lately.
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@Kcmatt7 I’m more worried about recruits KU missed out on, but was potentially in a bidding war for. Now if by some miracle KU wasn’t offering to pay Ayton, Tarc etc…and it’s AZ’s money that pulled them to AZ then…well fuck AZ and good for KU…
On some level all the African players worry me a little bit because there is no doubt they have/had sleazy people around them.
Kcmatt7 said:
If anything, this was Self knowing that Adidas would take care of him without any contact from his staff to Adidas. A sort of unspoken agreement. Bill would do his part, and Adidas would do theirs with no contact necessary.
This would be an excellent scenario for KU.
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@BShark I’m far less worried now that I know we lost the recruits. It was always a weird thought how Arizona was able to keep up on the recruiting trail with KU, UCLA, UK and Duke.
I’m fairly confident that Bill was smart enough to have 1000 degrees of separation from the Adidas reps. And to make sure that his assistants knew not to even talk to them. I’m not saying that Adidas wasn’t trying to pay players to go to KU, but Bill probably didn’t know which ones were up for sale. At least, that is what it looks like at the moment.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I’m far less worried now that I know we lost the recruits. It was always a weird thought how Arizona was able to keep up on the recruiting trail with KU, UCLA, UK and Duke.
I’m fairly confident that Bill was smart enough to have 1000 degrees of separation from the Adidas reps. And to make sure that his assistants knew not to even talk to them. I’m not saying that Adidas wasn’t trying to pay players to go to KU, but Bill probably didn’t know which ones were up for sale. At least, that is what it looks like at the moment.
Something that I think bodes well for KU is that it’s not like every kid that goes pro after being at KU signs with Adidas. In fact, far from it.
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@BShark I think we have such a great recruiting pitch by itself, I don’t know why we would even think about getting caught up in it.
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In a phone conversation recorded by the FBI, Dawkins told Sood and an undercover agent that “the path to securing commitments from college athletes was through assistant coaches…because ‘the head coach…ain’t willing to (take bribes) cause they’re making too much money. And it’s too risky,’” the complaint says.
Odds are very good Bill isn’t involved in this. And out assistants get paid very well and have bright futures. Not worth $20k. The more I read, the more I feel better.
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Gregg Doyle, formerly of CBS (I think), and now in Indianapolis is reporting that Romeo Langford is down to either Indiana or Kansas. I’m assuming the Louisville situation has convinced him otherwise because wasn’t Louisville the assumed destination for Langford for a long time?
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Yup. Langford also set up his official visit for Oct 27th
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Is it illegal for a recruit to receive money? As long as he pays taxes on the money it is likely not illegal. Of course he would no longer be able to play college sports but other than that I am not sure there are any other consequences. A cash payment made to a third or fourth or fifth party might be difficult to trace.
“Badge at the door” doesn’t necessarily mean being arrested, but being interviewed / investigated / obliged to testify, yes.
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Did not mean to imply an arrest. They can be invited to testify but unless they have leverage, I am not sure they could force them to testify and even then, all they have to do is take the fifth…just sayin’…
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@ParisHawk Do scholarship players have to fill out financial aid forms, even pro forma? I had to (and my annoyed Dad did, also) to receive a minimal $100 honorary scholarship even tho we were not asking for anything needs-based.
If so, maybe there could be charges for unreported assets–if federal or state, unsure.
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@JayHawkFanToo I don’t mean to argue with what you say. My main point was simply that recruits have more reasons than usual to keep a low profile and commit when and if the smoke clears.
That can be true whatever the legal risks.
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Just kind of curious. Wouldn’t you think that with everything that is going on right now with this FBI investigation on the corruption and fraud wouldn’t you think that recruits would have more of a tendency to wait until spring before committing? I mean one reason would be to see what Schools had took a hit in this thing and then another just to see what players had been effected and /or what players were going to return. - -I think this might slow down the commits until the spring period - maybe that is just me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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It could happen. Maybe you see some guys hold out to see the fallout. It all depends on what those kids feel like doing. If any of them are scared the schools they are considering are at risk of getting in trouble I would definitely back off from any immediate plans.
If I was the two kids committed to Arizona I would definitely be looking at my options closely. There is no telling what the fall out for Sean Miller and the program will be with all those allegations they are facing. An Assistant coach is fired, one recruit was paid, at least 1 current player was paid. I wouldn’t be making travel arrangements for Tuscon anytime soon if I was them. The same goes for USC. They have signed what 3-4 Top 100 kids and if any of them were recruited by the assistant I’d be looking elsewhere.
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If it gets any bigger, the NCAA might allow individual to transfer from schools caught in the net; heck, it might allow all recruits with signed LOI to reconsider their destinations. We might end up with a reboot of the entire 2018 class recruiting.
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@BeddieKU23 Ya those are my train of thoughts on this exactly. - -That’s why I am wondering if that’s what we will see, a lot of these kids might just hit the brakes until spring to see what schools take a hit from this. - -Hmmm I wonder what Ayton is thinking? - -I’ve read where his family took 500, 000 and already spent it. - -If this is True then I would think that his amateur status took a SERIOUS hit/ - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Some great news regarding your boy Dotson posted on 247…
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@BShark anything eminent?
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@dylans Florida will be out provided two players expected to commit to Florida do so.
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So it would be KU vs MD essentially. Gotta hope and think KU can win out there… Esp since MD has a better PG than Moore on the roster.
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BShark said:
@jayballer54 Some great news regarding your boy Dotson posted on 247…
Ok, buddy, soo you gonna have to give me the poop as the 247/shiver is VIP I don’t do the Vip. - -I’m thinking Florida no longer an option for my boy as the one’s I’m thinking going there more likely then not from what I could dig up would be - – Andrew Nembhard - -& Noah Locke - -is that who you talking about? - -that makes Maryland and us as the two has to be. - -I STILL saying we in great shape and my boy - -my boy that I’ve been on his wagon since day one will end up here at KU can sure use him, the kid is sooo dam quick - -fearless taking the ball to the hole love the kid - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Dotson and Langford and/or Grimes? would be very nice!
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dylans said:
Dotson and Langford and/or Grimes? would be very nice!
I think Dotson + Grimes is most likely. Would be killer.
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Someone just posted that Dotson will pop for Maryland by Wednesday so who really knows?
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@BShark What are the chances we end up getting Antwann Jones? He decommitted from Ok St and we had previously recruited him.
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@approxinfinity Unlikely. He listed KU but KU hadn’t even been out to see him yet.
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@BShark well it seemed fine to OSU. Things could change. A lot more scholarships to fill… I think we are due for new names to start popping up.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark well it seemed fine to OSU. Things could change. A lot more scholarships to fill… I think we are due for new names to start popping up.
Dotson and Grimes deciding early would be good either way. Obviously better if they pick KU.
Maryland would still take Dotson but it looks like they want to also take Ayala. Ayala obviously isn’t going to Miami now and it looks like he is getting squeezed out of his Cuse offer by Carey. Ayala is def a PG and Maryland will still have Cowan as well. I think it’s fairly easy to sell Dotson on the starting PG spot but of course I have seen Maryland fans pointing to our roster having Moore + Garrett and Grimes being a likely addition.
Could be KU only gets one of Grimes and Dotson which would be totally fine.
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I am having a hard time figuring out which posts are being responded to when there is just a name and no quote or specific player mentioned since we have multiple parallel posts from multiple posters about multiple players! Can y’all at least include the kid’s name rather than just “he”? Thanks!
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mayjay said:
I am having a hard time figuring out which posts are being responded to when there is just a name and no quote or specific player mentioned since we have multiple parallel posts from multiple posters about multiple players! Can y’all at least include the kid’s name rather than just “he”? Thanks!
Who are you responding to?
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@RockkChalkk "Who are you responding to?
"Good point! Here in th’ South, though, we just say “y’all” and it covers all possibilities.
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Jesse Newell had a podcast with Matt Scott. Pretty good.
Sounds like Harvey is legitimately interested in hearing from other schools. Reading between the lines, it sounds like JRE will be a Jayhawk for sure. Lines up with other things I have read and/or heard.
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@BShark I listened to that too. Really solid podcast. 2019 should be a low volume recruiting year. Get JRE, Lawson, and Harvey to go along with Jacobs and call it good. Not sure we have a shot with many top guys in 19.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@BShark I listened to that too. Really solid podcast. 2019 should be a low volume recruiting year. Get JRE, Lawson, and Harvey to go along with Jacobs and call it good. Not sure we have a shot with many top guys in 19.
Agree. That’s a great class especially if the staff closes 18 as we are hoping.
Malik Hall is a really appealing player if needed but might not be room. Similar position as JRE and Chandler.
If he is willing to likely redshirt (barring rapid development) I feel that Samuell Williamson would be a solid legacy take and 4-5 year guy.
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Rumour mill saying Dotson will commit to MD shortly.
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@BShark Well if he does- - then I’m kicking him off my Christmas list. - -It is what it is , we were good before him - -we will be fine after him - IF that is truly the case. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well we have hear it’s over all but done - -Devon is headed to Florida great connection with the staff - -done deal - -Well evidentally not that great of connection. - -If Devon was sold and had such the great connection then they wouldn’t be recruiting these other two as hard.
Now we are hearing going to commit any minute or Maryland , well if he does hope it’s soon I’m not getting any younger - - No did-respect intended to you B-Shark just nobody knows what the hell for sure is going on till he OFFICALLY signs - -same goes for Grimes - -people now so sure he is landing at Kentucky - -hmmmm guess what else I heard - - the world is coming to an end tomorrow, wonder which will happen first lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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From what I can tell reading articles and posts on the Maryland board.
Dotson will be KU or MD. Ayala (another guard) would like to commit to Maryland, but the Maryland staff is holding out hope for Dotson. Should be decided soon one way or the other.
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https://twitter.com/chandlerlawson0/status/914659668009635842
So good at basketball. Can’t wait for him to commit.
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One time KU target Noah Locke will announce his decision tomm.
Important why? Because he’s likely going to Florida.
While a lot of people like to put him in the “combo guard” role he’s 6’2 and has limited options for position versatility. He might not be a natural PG but he’s unlikely going to be a full-time SG in College I would think. Might throw a wrench into Dotson’s plans…
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BeddieKU23 said:
One time KU target Noah Locke will announce his decision tomm.
Important why? Because he’s likely going to Florida.
While a lot of people like to put him in the “combo guard” role he’s 6’2 and has limited options for position versatility. He might not be a natural PG but he’s unlikely going to be a full-time SG in College I would think. Might throw a wrench into Dotson’s plans…
From some random MD poster.
Talked to my buddy this morning and he said that the Dotson family seems to be torn between schools. They love Kansas, but are worried about PT due to a possible commitment from Grimes. Florida seems to be running third as of right now, but is apparently still in it due to their longstanding relationship. A commitment from Nembhard would eliminate Florida, however that seems to be weeks away with his OV scheduled for mid-October. Maryland gave them a lot to think about on this visit though and I think Maryland’s pitch to Dotson resonated with him and the family.
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Here’s my tidbits for the day:
Dotson: Seems like Florida is out with all of the other PG type players set to commit there in the near future. The Maryland insider on 247 has changed his CB pick to foggy. According to Dotson’s family, his MD visit was “good.” It just feels to me that there is a hangup with Dotson over committing to KU and maybe @BShark is correct that it is a PT concern over Grimes. There was also that note earlier that Self didn’t win over the family on the visit, maybe there is some truth to that. Dunno but it sure feels like he is hunting for another option. Problem is, each of these places are going to feel like a major settling when you stack them up to the facilities and tradition at KU.
My opinion, Dotson should be the one to take control of the situation and just commit. There is no doubt he will play a ton of minutes from day 1 even if Grimes goes there too. Don’t shy away from the competition if that is the holdup, embrace it. I personally think if they both come that they will both play 30+ minutes a game. Dotson is a taylor made guard for the KU system, even if Grimes is the better pro prospect, I can’t see Dotson not playing as many minutes as he can handle. I’ve watched a lot of KU basketball over the years and Dotson would be a superstar for the jayhawks.
On a site note, I actually think Grimes is going to end up at Kentucky anyway. Just a gut feeling.
Romeo Langford: Saw a note on twitter from a guy that overheard some coaches talking and the inside sources are saying that he is Kansas bound and will wait until the season is over to do his commitment.
Jermaine Harris: PF ranked about #80 or so in the composite was supposed to visit KU this coming weekend but it sounds like he is making his announcement this Friday. Haven’t seen the official cancellation of his visit yet but if the announcement is definitely Friday then it isn’t going to be KU. It might end up being West Va though.
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@RockkChalkk I’d be actual money that it will best West Virginia for Harris. No sense in him visiting KU at this point anyway, KU is now stacked inside for next season.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
One time KU target Noah Locke will announce his decision tomm.
Important why? Because he’s likely going to Florida.
While a lot of people like to put him in the “combo guard” role he’s 6’2 and has limited options for position versatility. He might not be a natural PG but he’s unlikely going to be a full-time SG in College I would think. Might throw a wrench into Dotson’s plans…
From some random MD poster.
Talked to my buddy this morning and he said that the Dotson family seems to be torn between schools. They love Kansas, but are worried about PT due to a possible commitment from Grimes. Florida seems to be running third as of right now, but is apparently still in it due to their longstanding relationship. A commitment from Nembhard would eliminate Florida, however that seems to be weeks away with his OV scheduled for mid-October. Maryland gave them a lot to think about on this visit though and I think Maryland’s pitch to Dotson resonated with him and the family.
See this is what confuses me , some say Grimes plays the point , but he could very easily play the 2 as a SG and Devon run the team at PG - -If Devon was out then Grimes could always slide over and take the PG during that time. - -Grimes has stated that he wouldn’t have any problems sliding to the 2 as long as he could play along side some other very good players - -Ummm Excuse me - here is where Devon would step in , Quinten slide to the 2 and Devon run point , they wouldn’t even be competing for time - -they could both very easily be on the floor at the same time.
I think you’ll will see Devon announce pretty soon , whether it be KU or Maryland - -one way or the other, I think Florida is out. - -With Them in on Nembard heavily and also Locke showing major interest there - -I just don’t see it. I think Florida realized the ship had sailed with Devon thus this is why we are seeing the other activity with others for them now. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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And now the real waiting begins. - - -Dotson - - -Grimes - -Pretty sure Devon is now done with Visits. - - I believe these are the next two that will commit & I feel Devon is not that far away.
I think we will see Devon and Quentin commit early. - -I also think Romeo and Zion will be spring - -these seem to be the 4 that we now are in on heavily- - -Time I drawing closer.
Some others have their gut feeling , just like I have mine - -nothing more - -nothing less and my gut is telling me just like day one , in the end Devon will commit to KU - -m gut is also saying when it is all said and done Quentin will ALSO commit to KU may take longer but in the end run - - umm ya.
Romeo 50/50 - -& Zion I just feel in the end we lose out - -just me. - - IF somehow we do end up with Quinten , Devon & Romeo to go along with De-Sousa & McCormack - -that my friends would be a huge class - - - - keeping my fingers crossed and my gut in check. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
