Early season feedback on kuballin’s off season analysis
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There’s only been 3 coaches to win 3+ championships since the NCAA Tournament expanded to 64 teams in 1985. Only 8 coaches have won multiple titles in the 64+ team era, 17 coaches total in NCAA Tournament history. It’s really f-ing hard to win multiple titles and KU is blessed to have one of the 3 active coaches with multiple titles.
Self does has his flaws, so does every other coach.
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@FarmerJayhawk Let me know what I made up
Self - AJ is thinking more than playing basketball and maybe it’s because of me
Kuballin10 - A coach who quick hooks guys makes them hesitant so they think about not making a mistake instead of playing….
Correlation = causation
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@jayballer67 I truly enjoy your rants at me…skimming them is fun
In line with keeping on topic via this thread….what is your opinion on new players coming in thinking versus playing? Does Self’s quick hook help or hinder them?
Is some made up “toughening box” actually benefit them or should Self let them work through general mistakes and play freer?
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@MR11 Nah - if let’s plenty of guys play through mistakes and others he quick hooks. Been like this for decades and his quick hooks u can tell affect those guys playing aggressively.
Guys make mistakes all the time and he lets them play through them (those he trusts)
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@kuballin10 sure thing. Juan played 6 full years at KU so his stats will all have an asterisk, approx banned you for having an opinion, I talk to the coaches/watch practice, that’s just off the top of my head. I could keep going if I thought harder.
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Early in his days at KU Bill Self lost to teams like Bradley and Bucknell and Richmond and Oral Roberts (I think) and Depaul and Northern Iowa and VCU, yet magically he was able to still win national championships! If I understand people here the UNCW game was giving some people hesitation about Bill and that he is losing it? The recruiting suffered a little as a result of the legal troubles I think, well except those recruits during the legal troubles did manage to win it all, so again, I’m not sure if he’s lost it.
@kuballin10 I think you have your narrative about Bill and DaJuan and so you can fit any event into your narrative about him as ‘proof’. That narrative makes you see the devil in Bill for quick hooks for Storr and Griffen, in mostly meaningless games. Both of those guys have played a little more prominently in our two high profile wins so maybe Bill is using the mid majors to toughen up those two for when we need them instead of just saying ‘see, Bill is stubborn…’
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@MR11 said in Early season feedback on kuballin’s off season analysis:
Counter argument to this: if Bill lets the players get away with mistakes/sloppy play, he is telling both that player and the rest of the team that there aren’t consequences for bad plays. You also want to give the players feedback on these mistakes so that they don’t become habits. Typically the sooner you get this feedback, the more impactful it is from a learning standpoint. Maybe letting the play a little more free flow helps in the short term, but it is always going to be better if you do so with proper muscle memory/habits built up. Maybe that means some players take longer to gel, but seems like trading short term gains for long term growth to me.
I feel like this is a take I’ve not heard a lot of but seems right on the mark. He lets the guys he trusts play through their mistakes because they’ve already had that feedback at some point and he trusts them to recognize that they made one while with new comers, they need to know what the mistake actually was. Immediate feedback IS key to learning so if they are tough enough to actually take some coaching it could pay dividends down the road.
And if Titles is all it is about, wouldn’t it be better for the best players to be peaking at the end of the year rather than early? Use the early non-con to make sure everyone knows the expectations and then work to get to a spot where they can play more freely WITHIN the system when it really matters. I don’t think Self is taking a short sighted approach trying to win meaningless games. He is looking long term at what will make the team most likely to be able to win the games that matter later.
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Who are we worried about not fitting in right away this season besides Storr? (Who is also putting up his most efficient season in his career…)
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My confusion over the comments in this thread was so puzzling that I unblocked a certain someone to see what was going on. My mistake… Same ol’ shit being spewed by the same ol’ asshole for years now. Block Command, you are my hero yet again.
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Prior to Kansas, AJ Storr was known as a selfish ball hog who never played defense. And people think Storr didn’t need to be broken down? AJ absolutely needed to be broken down from his bad habits so that he can be built back up into the NBA caliber player his talent suggests he should be.
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@mayjay LOL, I did the same thing.
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My take on Juan:
He is not most gifted aesthetically.
He doesn’t shoot trey great.
But, somehow, KU look so much better when he is at PG.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t think Badger fans viewed him as a selfish ball hog.
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@AsadZ said in Early season feedback on kuballin’s off season analysis:
My take on Juan:
He is not most gifted aesthetically.
He doesn’t shoot trey great.
But, somehow, KU look so much better when he is at PG.
He just makes the whole thing run infinitely better. It’s fascinating.
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@wissox he has bad body language. It takes him awhile to switch to D from O. I think Self is doing a good job with him. He’s a great reaper of good D. He has all the tools, just needs the want to. I think Griffen is close, his D is good, shot choice is better! Team guy! I like their chances.
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@BShark being smart is by nature difficult to quantify because adaptability is polymorphic
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@Crimsonorblue22 I agree. Seen it. Just thought Texashawk’s assessment was a little harsh because I have a lot of good memories of him from last year, but playing at KU is an entirely different setting and I think he’s adjusting to not being ‘the man’ like last year.
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@wissox They didn’t and it’s a reason he was the prized recruit of the transfer class
Bill wanted a guy who could hunt his shot and was athletic. He got him and then does the ole Bill Self get him so in his head that he’s thinking instead of playing……tale as old as time
Instead of bringing the guy here and working to elevate what he’s already good at he tries to fix the 20% (defense and rebounding) that sucks and in turn brings down the 80% (scoring) positive parts for why we wanted him in the first place
Guys always play better when they are thinking versus just reacting. Guys always play freer when they think they won’t get yanked quick for one mistake.
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@FarmerJayhawk Wth are you even making up now???
Juan will hold records because of the cov yr - that’s true
Me watching practice??? When?
I do talk to some coaches but not anyone on staff
You and @BShark are the guys/gals that act like you have all the connections
I was in on Ingram for why he wouldn’t come here (cough cough kj)
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@Crimsonorblue22 When is his body language bad?
Juan missed him on an oop but they looked happy when he was shooting free throws
His body language is bad when he makes a mistake because he knows that directly correlates to how long he even has a chance to play ymca school in November
I’d be frustrated if I came in as a stud only to have the “dog” coached right out of me and instead of playing free I’m afraid to eff up for fear I get benched
All the while I watch guys bounced bad in the round for 32 multiple times get to make mistake after mistake and keep their minutes
Team chemistry is tough when coaches play favorites for who’s allowed to mess up and continue playing versus who can’t
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@kuballin10 please tell me where I said you watched practice. This sort of proves my point.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Early season feedback on kuballin’s off season analysis:
@kuballin10 sure thing. Juan played 6 full years at KU so his stats will all have an asterisk, approx banned you for having an opinion, I talk to the coaches/watch practice, that’s just off the top of my head. I could keep going if I thought harder.
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@kuballin10 sigh. This isn’t hard. I meaning me, myself, and I. Not you. This is basic English.
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@FarmerJayhawk Reread what you wrote because in that long run on sentence it was all the stuff I claimed so how I was supposed to know you switched to speaking about yourself is impossible
You don’t talk to the coaches or watch practice but sure big guy whatever makes you feel important!
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@kuballin10
par for the course. Enjoy your night
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Alright can we move on please?
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@kuballin10 Storr came here to be built into an NBA caliber player. Self knows how to turn marginal NBA talent into draftable players. Storr has many bad habits and tendencies that need to be broken in order for Storr to reach his full potential to benefit himself and KU and reach the NBA. KU didn’t need someone who only shot 43% from the field, 32% from 3, and had over 30% usage rate, and played no defense like Storr did last season. We are seeing Self in the process of breaking down Storr to rebuild him into his full potential and if successful, will pay big dividends in March. This a repeat of what we saw Self do with Remy when he came he with a similar reputation as Storr.
