Alabama's Brandon Miller
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@Eric-san said in Alabama's Brandon Miller:
@benshawks08 The energy I get from Oats is he knows Miller is lying but has no evidence to prove otherwise and has no choice but to back his player. And now he has to double down as he didn’t take appropriate action when the story first broke a month ago. Obviously this is just my opinion.
The response from Oates all along should have been that he has no comment on an active investigation and he’ll let the legal process play out and any disciplinary action will be administered by the university based on the findings of the investigation.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Alabama's Brandon Miller:
Knowing what we know about the NCAA would you want to report anything to them? Certainly not justifying Alabama here, speaking in general of how strained the relationship between Universities & the NCAA is right now.
You know, I wasn’t even thinking about the NCAA when I wrote that. I don’t want to bog down this lively discussion with NCAA chat, so I was simply saying in that one sentence that schools can’t be trusted to do the right thing IMO.
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What about Miller and his teammate parking their car in such a way, blocking the road from the victim’s car potentially leaving where they were. That part hasn’t been explained on why Miller/Bradley did this. Did they just coincidently drive down to where Miles was and coincidently left their car in such a way where the victim and her boyfriend couldn’t exit? Miles & Davis had some discussion with the Victim and her boyfriend that led to this outcome. Miles then asked Miller to bring his gun to him. This smells awful fishy
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Agree, that’s part of why athletic departments have compliance officers on staff.
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@Eric-san He could easily change his stance “based on new information.” Flacks do that all the time.
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I read that Alabama has a grand jury system, so a grand jury could indict Miller if the prosecutor doesn’t press charges. So, it might not be over yet. The big question is why Oates and the Alabama AD allowed Miller to continue playing in light of the circumstances.
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Star athlete in Alabama in legal trouble. Nah
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Oates later released another statement to clarify his initial response. He’s still a complete idiot
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Miller started tonight for Alabama, so I suppose all is forgiven?
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Well, Miller’s attorney’s statement is pretty specific. Interesting…they usually just say their client is innocent and they look forward to all the “true” facts coming out. He denies Miller ever touched the gun. Will be pretty damning if they have prints or something. From The Athletic:
“Brandon never got out of his vehicle or interacted with anyone in Ms. Harris’ party,” Jim Standridge said Wednesday. “He was never involved in a verbal altercation with Cedric Johnson or Mr. Davis. Brandon never touched the gun, was not involved in its exchange to Mr. Davis in any way, and never knew that illegal activity involving the gun would occur.”
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The burden of proof completely changes for a civil lawsuit. I expect he will be named eventually…
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@mayjay I would think it is nearly impossible to prove that Miller knew Miles’ intent beyond a shadow of a doubt. Thus the reluctance to prosecute.
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According to Standridge, Miller was already on his way to pick up Miles when Miles texted him to bring him his gun on the night of the shooting. Standridge wrote that Miller never saw Miles’ handgun and that it was “concealed under some clothing in the back seat” of Miller’s car. He added that Miller never touched the gun or was involved in its exchange to Davis, the alleged shooter.
Police had testified Tuesday that Davis was dancing in front of Harris’ Jeep, leading to an exchange between Davis and Harris’ boyfriend, Cedric Johnson.
According to Standridge, Miller was unaware of the confrontation between the two parties, didn’t get out of his car and had already parked it when Johnson’s Jeep later pulled up behind him, thereby not intentionally blocking its exit.
Miller, whose windshield was hit by gunfire, left when the shooting started.
“All of the events described above are clearly captured on video,” Standridge wrote. “There is no dispute about Brandon’s activities during this evening.”
Following the police testimony, Oats said the school had known about Miller’s presence at the scene, adding that his player was in the “wrong spot at the wrong time.” Byrne told ESPN that Oats had not been briefed on the new information that emerged in the hearing, which led on Tuesday night to Oats clarifying what he called his “unfortunate remarks” earlier in the day.
He opened his postgame news conference Wednesday night by again apologizing for what he initially said Tuesday.
“I am not here to make excuses, but I want to make it clear that I didn’t have the details from the hearing that morning, since I was coming straight from practice,” Oats said. “And I used a poor choice of words, making it appear like I was not taking this tragic situation seriously, which we have throughout the course of it. I sincerely apologize for that.”
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Sounds like no legal issues forthcoming for Miller. But the coach is making an ass of himself and handling the situation poorly.
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I mean Alabama could have gotten ahead of this a month ago. They brought this on themselves. A player (former now) charged with murdering someone last month and they didn’t think these details would get out to the public? Beyond stupidity. The coach’s initial statement, beyond stupidity.
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This whole thing gets weirder and seems like a lie that he knew nothing. On KeyShawn, JWil and Max ESPN Radio. They claimed that he supposedly had zero idea of the gun and accidentally blocked in their vehicle. They all also agreed it was shady how much they have hidden the last month and that he should’ve sat out several game due to the loss of a life that he was involved in accidentally or not. My problem is you don’t hide it and change your story multiple times if you are innocent. They should’ve released a statement long ago if that was the case not sit on it and pray it never comes out. I hope he doesn’t get drafted. If any KU player pulled similar, I’d want everyone involved gone.
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People talk a lot about privilege in this country but get mad when someone mentions Athletic privilege or Wealth privilege two very real things it this country. Look at guy like Deshaun Watson, came out richer and better off since his deal. Wanna get sick look at the rap sheet of some professional athletes in this country that would land commoner in prison.
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@kjayhawks I’ve never heard or seen someone mad or denying athletic or wealth privilege unless in was an excuse to ignore race. All types of privilege exist and are always working in concert. One can be privileged in one area and disadvantaged in another.
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Yeah, I didn’t know there was a gun in my car. Reminds me of cop shows where the suspect says the pants he’s wearing aren’t his, and he didn’t know there were drugs in them.
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@Jethro We need a laugh emoji button!
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@Jethro said in Alabama's Brandon Miller:
Yeah, I didn’t know there was a gun in my car. Reminds me of cop shows where the suspect says the pants he’s wearing aren’t his, and he didn’t know there were drugs in them.
speaking of Cops show-- love it when the suspect runs - they catch him and ask - -why did you run. His response more times the not - - -I didn’t know who you were roflmao - -WTH ? - uniform - red& Blue flashing lights - -Sirens & the best you got was I didn’t know who you were lol
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Best article yet on this fiasco:
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@Jethro That article is likely being passed around New Mexico State U’s AD with a few “Thank you, Alabama, for making us look more ethical than someone.”
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“There’s nothing we could charge him with,” Tuscaloosa chief deputy district attorney Paula Whitley told AL.com of Miller’s legal exposure"
Paula is an Alabama grad fyi…
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@BeddieKU23 said in Alabama's Brandon Miller:
“There’s nothing we could charge him with,” Tuscaloosa chief deputy district attorney Paula Whitley told AL.com of Miller’s legal exposure"
Paula is an Alabama grad fyi…
All prosecutors have the huge responsibility to ethically decide if there’s enough actual evidence to prove by probable cause that someone has commited a crime. Then, the prosecutor must decide if probable cause is enough to risk losing the case at trial where the evidentiary burden is beyond a reasonable doubt. I trust prosecutors to make these difficult legal determinations; no one wants people to face charges if there’s insufficient evidence to prove a crime has been committed. While our criminal justice system isn’t perfect, it works very well in most instances.
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The Athletic has another good piece on the Miller situation. While I’m not a fan of Dana O’Neil it has some good points.
https://theathletic.com/4252599/2023/02/26/alabama-brandon-miller-patdown/
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@BeddieKU23 Hadn’t seen the pat down intro… do they have a PR team at Bama? Good god.
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@benshawks08 said in Alabama's Brandon Miller:
@BeddieKU23 Hadn’t seen the pat down intro… do they have a PR team at Bama? Good god.
I seen the pat down crap - - -not a very good look, really bad taste. - -He just comes out when introduced in startin line up and another player pats him down while he stands there with arms raised, ,THAT doesn’t help his look to some - -just not good idea
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@BeddieKU23 Shocker he’s a Bama grad smh. People I’ve talked to that lived in that area for a few years always said Saban was a mafia boss and he had more power than anyone in that state or so it seemed. Different sport obviously, @stoptheflop I’m not going to assume just because he’s prosecutor that’s he’s a good one or a good person for that matter. I certainly hope he is but starting to lean the other way the more info that comes out.
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Miller’s really good. If he were a Jayhawk I would be proud of whatever the team did in his absence after Bill kicked his sorry butt off the team.
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@dylans that’s the issue for me if he was 8th best player on the team. They’d cut him loose no question but because he’s one of the best in the country he’ll get a pass.
