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@Texas-Hawk-10 they can’t lose out for sure but I bet they are project in after today.
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@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 they can’t lose out for sure but I bet they are project in after today.
They’re already projected in on most brackets either as a last 4 in or last 4 byes before today. If they hold on, it’ll be a big win resume boost to have a season sweep of a potential 1-2 seed, but they still need to win 2 of 3 against Florida, Auburn, and Arkansas along with at least 1 SEC Tournament win to feel safe about being in because they currently don’t have the Quad 1 wins or NET ranking to feel good about anything right now.
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What did everyone think of the 16 team release today? I really hope we can get the Midwest.
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@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:
What did everyone think of the 16 team release today? I really hope we can get the Midwest.
It’s outdated and meaningless. In one day.
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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
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@approxinfinity IMHO Duke went from the final four last year to maybe making the tournament this year with all the talent money could buy (both times). I am just amazed at how much they suck now. The OAD approach is a losing approach, but “new Duke coach” (not going to bother to learn his name, he’ll be fired soon) can’t carry his weight at all. I figured they may get one good bounce year like UNC, but not enough carryover talent, I guess. They’re Kentucky pathetic now, just a bunch of talent running around with no coach.
I try to not put too much weight into a oad tournament. If it was 2-3 losses to get eliminated you would see a whole different list of champions. It’s rare the absolute best team wins due to the nature of the beast.
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@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
Coach K was a good coach once. He wasn’t the last 5 years at Duke.
I can detest the man if I want.
Calling my opinion stupid is stupid. So there.
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Amen!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 if he knew how to adapt to different eras, and you want to argue he was great throughout his time at Duke, why are you making excuses for him not having success with young teams?
I consider the Nike funneling + OAD + sit out a year on transfer situation to be the last era. He went out limping out of that era, and I think others suggested that Scheyer was taking over some of Ks coaching duties the last few years, but you wouldn’t know it, because the results are the same! My point.
And my assumption is that had that era ended sooner, Coach K would have retired sooner, because over the last decade, he was rolling the dice on OAD talent and friendly whistles and not really developing anyone.
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Ive broken with the better approach though. That is…
Coach K who?
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Do I think Coach K can coach? For sure you don’t win 5 national titles without having ability. None of you guys are wrong here. My deal with opinions are simply this, your opinion can’t be wrong but it also can’t be right it is merely an opinion. Opinions aren’t facts but facts change opinions of logical thinking folks.
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He did great at times, he did poorly at times. A Tale of Two Dukes.
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UNC about to lose to NC State and put the final nail in the coffin. Believe they will need to win the ACC title at this point.
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn’t mean I’m worshipping him, it means I’m acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.
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@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 if he knew how to adapt to different eras, and you want to argue he was great throughout his time at Duke, why are you making excuses for him not having success with young teams?
I consider the Nike funneling + OAD + sit out a year on transfer situation to be the last era. He went out limping out of that era, and I think others suggested that Scheyer was taking over some of Ks coaching duties the last few years, but you wouldn’t know it, because the results are the same! My point.
And my assumption is that had that era ended sooner, Coach K would have retired sooner, because over the last decade, he was rolling the dice on OAD talent and friendly whistles and not really developing anyone.
Name a coach that was/is highly successful in the NCAA Tournament with very young teams? Even Self isn’t immune to that, but since you chose to ignore that part of my comment, presumably because it didn’t fit your narrative, tell me the years Self took very young teams on deep tournament runs? Youth was a big factor for KU in 2021, 2019, 2015, 2014, and 2006 amd not making it past the weekend in those seasons. So don’t pretend that Self is immune from that issue either because he definitely is not.
The OAD era ended a few years ago, in which Coach K won 2 titles, so he did just fine in that era. The current transfer portal era is when he slipped a little bit, but based on his final season, he seemed to be getting a grasp on how to navigate and build a roster in this current era as well. I also don’t expect Jon Scheyer to duplicate Coach K’s success because he’s not Coach K. I also don’t expect whoever follows Self to duplicate Self’s success because they won’t be Bill Self.
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@mayjay said in Bubble Watch:
He did great at times, he did poorly at times. A Tale of Two Dukes.
Once he got Duke rolling, he arguably had 2 bad seasons in about 35 years, and by bad, I mean miss the NCAA Tournament.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You can’t win this argument any more than you can convince a Mizzou or KSU fan that Self isn’t a cheater or an Eagles or Bengals fan that their players should not be alliwed to commit penalties just because it is the end of the game.
Fandom does really strange things to people, whether sports or politics. The hate-K cult is so entrenched that they believe he had mystical powers over referees, just like Reid does over Goodell.
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I went to UNC. I hate K and his shit school with a fiery passion. I loved every minute of ending his career in Durham and the tournament. F him
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@mayjay Eagles fans have been MUCH better online than Bengals fans. At least in terms of what I’ve seen. Bengals fans will be crying until September.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’d argue that first round losses to VCU, Lehigh and Mercer were bad.
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@FarmerJayhawk one of his worst lies was when he called out Dillion Brooks from Oregon in the handshake line, but told us something else. But lol, it was mic’d up! Then we had to watch that dble screen of his sorry ass and his wife while we were playing last yr. So pleasant!
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Bubble Watch:
I went to UNC. I hate K and his shit school with a fiery passion. I loved every minute of ending his career in Durham and the tournament. F him
He had some really Personable players-- -let’s see Grayson Allan was a real role model for the program , then K wants to call an opposing player out when shaking hands and telling the kid not to do that, e better then that when the opposing playe got into it some with Duke lol - - umm clean up your own back yard before you start trying to correct opposing playes. - I sure in the hell don’t miss him either
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@approxinfinity I suppose our first round losses in 2005 and 2006 were good, as were our several 2nd round losses to underdogs (seeded 5 spots or lower) under Larry, Roy and Bill?
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@mayjay no they were awful, but Bill trended up after that. K was trending down for a while now. And, we were getting screwed in recruiting, while he was getting everything he wanted.
Duke has had the most McDonalds All American players of any program.
But none of that matters, because Bill gets whatever he wants now.
Coach K who? Let Duke fade away into nothing, and his name be forgotten.
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I hated how Coach K made last year about him IMO. Instead of taking a Roy type approach of announcing after the season. I personally think the guy was starting to lose it upstairs. Him going nuts on his own fans for telling Capel to come sit with them.
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@approxinfinity he even got to do his own investigations! heck ya Zion recruitment clean!
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Chris Carawell and Nolan Smith can’t even pretend to be good sports. The apples don’t fall far from the tree: https://twitter.com/DocStaples/status/1500283170859716609?s=20
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Certainly lied about the Brooks thing but Brooks is Grayson Allen bad or worse, no wonder their personalities clashed
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I think UK is now in but UNC is out
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
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@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn’t mean I’m worshipping him, it means I’m acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.
I already told you why I hate him. I don’t hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he’s good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn’t get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn’t a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
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@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn’t mean I’m worshipping him, it means I’m acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.
I already told you why I hate him. I don’t hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he’s good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn’t get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn’t a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.
100% real facts here. Like you took them right out of my mind
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@AsadZ said in Bubble Watch:
I think UK is now in but UNC is out
Agree with this. UNC’s only way in is winning the ACC tournament
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn’t mean I’m worshipping him, it means I’m acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.
I already told you why I hate him. I don’t hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he’s good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn’t get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn’t a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.
Wow, so much failure of reading comprehension there on your part.
Where did I say you hate him because he sucks? I literally said because he won at a high level for a long period of time so thank you for reaffirming what I said.
Tell me where at any point I said I love Coach K? All I’ve said was that he won multiple titles in different eras and his ability to adapt to multiple eras was part of what made him a great coach. At no point, did I ever say he was a person of high moral character, only that he won a lot.
Sounds like you’re just personally offended that someone can be a KU fan, but not wear crimson and blue blinders and is capable of acknowledging the accomplishments of non-KU related coaches. So grow up and realize that someone can have a different take on a matter than you without getting offended by that take.
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Coach Ks secret lover is upset or in self denial. not sure which
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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
Coach Ks secret lover is upset or in self denial. not sure which
Neither actually, but next time actually have the balls to not be cryptic about who you’re talking about. kthanxbye!
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Personally, I’ve never disliked a coach more in any sport. Perhaps he was/is different behind the scenes, who knows but I have my doubts. I’m not watching that 30 for 30.
K reminds me of Belichek in that they lack the personable character to connect with. Some aren’t built like that, and K is one of those people.
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It is actually funny how embarrassed you’d have to be as a UNC fan. #1 preseason to missing the tourney is something fan bases will troll you about for YEARS.
Also this is a reminder that legacy hires may not be the best route to go when replacing Bill…
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@Kcmatt7 said in Bubble Watch:
It is actually funny how embarrassed you’d have to be as a UNC fan. #1 preseason to missing the tourney is something fan bases will troll you about for YEARS.
Also this is a reminder that legacy hires may not be the best route to go when replacing Bill…
Legacy hires = disaster practically every time it’s tried.
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
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@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn’t mean I’m worshipping him, it means I’m acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.
I already told you why I hate him. I don’t hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he’s good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn’t get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn’t a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.
Wow, so much failure of reading comprehension there on your part.
Where did I say you hate him because he sucks? I literally said because he won at a high level for a long period of time so thank you for reaffirming what I said.
Tell me where at any point I said I love Coach K? All I’ve said was that he won multiple titles in different eras and his ability to adapt to multiple eras was part of what made him a great coach. At no point, did I ever say he was a person of high moral character, only that he won a lot.
Sounds like you’re just personally offended that someone can be a KU fan, but not wear crimson and blue blinders and is capable of acknowledging the accomplishments of non-KU related coaches. So grow up and realize that someone can have a different take on a matter than you without getting offended by that take.
You were very rude to Approximity, and now you’re being condescending to me. It’s like you have no sense of humor. Quit taking yourself so seriously.
I am being condescending to you because you’re apparently deliberately misquoting me, put words in my mouth, and claiming I said shit I didn’t say, I don’t fucking appreciate that shit or find it funny in the context you’re doing it in. Doing dumb shit like that is something I don’t like regardless if it’s meant to be a joke or not because doing stupid shit like does have actual repercussions.
And yes, I do believe the take of dismissing someone’s accomplishments because of personal bias against the person is stupid which is evidently what made you jump into something that your name wasn’t brought up in.
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How 'bout we simma down on a thread that has been fun and pretty active? Take it to the DMs if you need to.
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn’t mean I’m worshipping him, it means I’m acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.
I already told you why I hate him. I don’t hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he’s good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn’t get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn’t a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.
Wow, so much failure of reading comprehension there on your part.
Where did I say you hate him because he sucks? I literally said because he won at a high level for a long period of time so thank you for reaffirming what I said.
Tell me where at any point I said I love Coach K? All I’ve said was that he won multiple titles in different eras and his ability to adapt to multiple eras was part of what made him a great coach. At no point, did I ever say he was a person of high moral character, only that he won a lot.
Sounds like you’re just personally offended that someone can be a KU fan, but not wear crimson and blue blinders and is capable of acknowledging the accomplishments of non-KU related coaches. So grow up and realize that someone can have a different take on a matter than you without getting offended by that take.
You were very rude to Approximity, and now you’re being condescending to me. It’s like you have no sense of humor. Quit taking yourself so seriously.
I am being condescending to you because you’re apparently deliberately misquoting me, put words in my mouth, and claiming I said shit I didn’t say, I don’t fucking appreciate that shit or find it funny in the context you’re doing it in. Doing dumb shit like that is something I don’t like regardless if it’s meant to be a joke or not because doing stupid shit like does have actual repercussions.
And yes, I do believe the take of dismissing someone’s accomplishments because of personal bias against the person is stupid which is evidently what made you jump into something that your name wasn’t brought up in.
Because I said you “loved” the Rat. OMG. Ok, guy…I know better now than to comment on your posts.
No. You claimed I said you hated Coach K because he sucks, nowhere did I say or even imply that so that would be you intentionally claiming I said something I didn’t. Then you want to twist me acknowledging K’s accomplishments into loving him more than Self which again is no basis. So when people try and pull stuff like that, I will be absolutely be an asshole about that stuff every single time because I don’t find it funny.
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@Jethro since you want to PM calling me prick about this, let me know when you’re best friend has their life ruined by a false libel lawsuit because his ex-wife could afford a better lawyer than he could.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Bubble Watch:
How 'bout we simma down on a thread that has been fun and pretty active? Take it to the DMs if you need to.
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theres more going on here than college basketball. Freezing thread.
I have more to say about why i think Coach K is not nearly the coach Self is, but it feels like this one got too wild.
