Bubble Watch
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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
I mean, you don’t win 5 national titles in basically 3 different eras of college basketball by accident. Coach K knew how to adapt with the times in his recruiting and won titles when it was almost unheard of for anyone to leave before their junior season, he won in the era of players skipping college and he won in the OAD era.
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@drgnslayr I truly think Coach K, Roy Williams and Bill Self are all top 5 all time coaches. Jimmy B at Syracuse looks like a guy that got lucky one time we couldn’t make free throws and he had Melo.
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UK escapes. Got lucky on a no-call travel with 8 seconds left to save them.
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@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr I truly think Coach K, Roy Williams and Bill Self are all top 5 all time coaches. Jimmy B at Syracuse looks like a guy that got lucky one time we couldn’t make free throws and he had Melo.
From UNI to Syracuse- seems like you’re stuck in a time warp. Do you remember what happened last year? Seriously though, I detest booger picking Boeheim. Not on the same level at all with Coach Self.
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Self is an innovator. Always has been. Not many coaches are.
He’s earned some fame for his chop offense (which we still use sometimes in its pure form or a hybrid version), and also his hi-lo (with 2 post players), which is now become a relic because of how much college basketball has changed. He has adapted this to be something possible with only one post player and the focus on every position is to get several feeds into the post during the possession.
Now his focus is the 4-guard offense and how it has maximized the use of what Self calls “the utility guard” which currently means a player from 6’4" to 6’8" with good handles, strength, and shooting prowess from deep to finishing at the rim. His newest jingle is “positionless basketball.”
What surprises me about Self… if you let him describe himself and his approach with only one word he would say “defense” though most of his innovation is on the offense side of the ball.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he innovates more on D and what we did at OSU and how these guys played the gaps for steals. There are techniques that help increase the chances of steals and create confusion for offenses.
Self should write books on the game!
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I’m rambling now… someone should stop me! lol
Remember preseason? What the heck? KJ Adams is our starting center? Can’t last… right? How many of us thought he would continue to earn so many minutes?
Self innovated around KJ’s speed, good hands, and soft touch. Center corridor pick and rolls have made KJ a consistent double-figure scorer. Now we can apply that to some degree with Udeh, but mostly lob slams.
If I want to forecast ahead and how I see Self innovating moving forward it is with his approach to an offensive attack on the center corridor. This started a few years ago with players like CB and Och, and no one has been better at it than JWil. It’s the “curl drive” to the rim as these players cut perpendicular to the rim from around the FT line then curl to the rim as they attempt to get their shoulders past the defense. Notice how often Self talks about getting shoulders past the defense (on both sides of the ball).
I think he is helping with Gradey’s development to become a multi-threat scorer. Because of his quick shot and elevation (and effectiveness), that means he has to be guarded tightly on his treys. That means defenders are vulnerable to head/body/ball fakes to draw fouls on the trey line, quick moves to create wide-open scoring space, and a host of possible drivebys to the rim. It’s great when Gradey fights hard away from the ball to get open, but it’s not his only option. He should be able to be a major threat even when a guy is in his grill.
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Keep em coming! Ramble on…
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@drgnslayr I’d add that we still haven’t seen a ton of defensive wrinkles this year as we often have in the past. How many times have we switched to a zone? Any box and 1? Or my favorite Bill self special, the triangle and two?
He’s certainly done some innovation and reinventing on the defensive side of the ball as well. We switch 5 (a thing I don’t see many other coaches doing). It seems like as you pointed out there are certain games where there’s a bigger emphasis on getting into the passing lanes. He’s also really mixed it up with bringing doubles or not against post feeds. Some determined by personnel. But when those doubles come and where they come from have also been interesting to watch. I’ve also like some small adjustments this team seems to be making within the switch five system. The communication is getting a little better to prevent the worst type of match ups with say Juan or Joe buried behind a 6-10 monster. They’ve been switching on the screen and then switching away from the ball to get one of our bigger guards into the post. Doesn’t happen all the time but something to watch. I think these situations could be contributing to the players playing on the gaps as you mentioned. Guys like Kevin and Jalen are being asked to really anticipate what’s happening and help the helpers helper type stuff. As this progresses I can see our defense really turning it up to end the year as those guys get into the passing lanes and really get a good scout on opposing teams down the stretch.
In my never coached anything more than 7th grade girls basketball mind wonder if there isn’t some box and 1 type defense that could highlight Kevin’s ridiculous anticipation ability. Like he’d be the one outside of the box but his job is just to figure out what the other teams plan is and blow it up. I know it’s not really feasible but I’d love to see what he could do in a freelance type situation.
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Good stuff!
John Stockton and Steph Curry are two great examples of guys who know how to steal. They both talk about running deception and also hiding.
They run deception by appearing to be going in one direction away from the passing lane then go towards the passing lane. It’s a combination of deception and anticipation.
Also, they know how to hide behind other players from the passer. This gets into many things… fast-twitch reflexes are a big deal. They pull the same trick that football defensive backs use. They watch the face of the receiver and can tell when the ball has been thrown!
I don’t know what I would do with my life if I didn’t have sports!
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“Refuse to lose!”
Also complaining about how hot their opposition shoots FTs. Injuries? He should try playing in the Big12 with injuries.
“Planet earth to John Calipari… your pizza is ready!”
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@benshawks08 said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr I’d add that we still haven’t seen a ton of defensive wrinkles this year as we often have in the past. How many times have we switched to a zone? Any box and 1? Or my favorite Bill self special, the triangle and two?
He’s certainly done some innovation and reinventing on the defensive side of the ball as well. We switch 5 (a thing I don’t see many other coaches doing). It seems like as you pointed out there are certain games where there’s a bigger emphasis on getting into the passing lanes. He’s also really mixed it up with bringing doubles or not against post feeds. Some determined by personnel. But when those doubles come and where they come from have also been interesting to watch. I’ve also like some small adjustments this team seems to be making within the switch five system. The communication is getting a little better to prevent the worst type of match ups with say Juan or Joe buried behind a 6-10 monster. They’ve been switching on the screen and then switching away from the ball to get one of our bigger guards into the post. Doesn’t happen all the time but something to watch. I think these situations could be contributing to the players playing on the gaps as you mentioned. Guys like Kevin and Jalen are being asked to really anticipate what’s happening and help the helpers helper type stuff. As this progresses I can see our defense really turning it up to end the year as those guys get into the passing lanes and really get a good scout on opposing teams down the stretch.
In my never coached anything more than 7th grade girls basketball mind wonder if there isn’t some box and 1 type defense that could highlight Kevin’s ridiculous anticipation ability. Like he’d be the one outside of the box but his job is just to figure out what the other teams plan is and blow it up. I know it’s not really feasible but I’d love to see what he could do in a freelance type situation.
Self doesn’t really break out the gimmick defenses during the regular season too often. Maybe the occasional 2-3 because of foul issues, but he usually saves those for the tournament.
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@benshawks08 said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr I’d add that we still haven’t seen a ton of defensive wrinkles this year as we often have in the past. How many times have we switched to a zone? Any box and 1? Or my favorite Bill self special, the triangle and two?
He’s certainly done some innovation and reinventing on the defensive side of the ball as well. We switch 5 (a thing I don’t see many other coaches doing). It seems like as you pointed out there are certain games where there’s a bigger emphasis on getting into the passing lanes. He’s also really mixed it up with bringing doubles or not against post feeds. Some determined by personnel. But when those doubles come and where they come from have also been interesting to watch. I’ve also like some small adjustments this team seems to be making within the switch five system. The communication is getting a little better to prevent the worst type of match ups with say Juan or Joe buried behind a 6-10 monster. They’ve been switching on the screen and then switching away from the ball to get one of our bigger guards into the post. Doesn’t happen all the time but something to watch. I think these situations could be contributing to the players playing on the gaps as you mentioned. Guys like Kevin and Jalen are being asked to really anticipate what’s happening and help the helpers helper type stuff. As this progresses I can see our defense really turning it up to end the year as those guys get into the passing lanes and really get a good scout on opposing teams down the stretch.
In my never coached anything more than 7th grade girls basketball mind wonder if there isn’t some box and 1 type defense that could highlight Kevin’s ridiculous anticipation ability. Like he’d be the one outside of the box but his job is just to figure out what the other teams plan is and blow it up. I know it’s not really feasible but I’d love to see what he could do in a freelance type situation.
He only runs the junk defenses when the regular defense doesn’t work.
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Defenses are harder to see change in than offensive sets. I’m sure there are tons of little tweaks BS makes game to game and year to year. Unfortunately I am not enlightened as to what they are. Seems to be mostly spacing and switching as the biggest differences. Bill is good at teaching the guys how to help on defense as well.
I was half expecting a box and 1 in the second half of the OSU game, but other defensive changes shut Bryce down.
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I think… most of the time, Self would rather challenge his players to step up and guard instead of flipping to gimmicks. And that makes sense… don’t bail out the players who aren’t doing what they should be doing by enabling them to never clean up their act.
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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
Defenses are harder to see change in than offensive sets. I’m sure there are tons of little tweaks BS makes game to game and year to year. Unfortunately I am not enlightened as to what they are. Seems to be mostly spacing and switching as the biggest differences. Bill is good at teaching the guys how to help on defense as well.
I was half expecting a box and 1 in the second half of the OSU game, but other defensive changes shut Bryce down.
The majority of the tweaks to his man defense are going to involve when to switch, going over or under screens, crashing the glass or leaking out on rebounds and stuff like that which is always going to be personnel amd match up dependent.
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Go Vols
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May have jinxed the vols could be the win that get UK in
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@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:
May have jinxed the vols could be the win that get UK in
UK would still have plenty of work to do to get in. This would only be their second Quad 1 win this year with the other being their first win over Tennessee in Knoxville.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 they can’t lose out for sure but I bet they are project in after today.
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@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 they can’t lose out for sure but I bet they are project in after today.
They’re already projected in on most brackets either as a last 4 in or last 4 byes before today. If they hold on, it’ll be a big win resume boost to have a season sweep of a potential 1-2 seed, but they still need to win 2 of 3 against Florida, Auburn, and Arkansas along with at least 1 SEC Tournament win to feel safe about being in because they currently don’t have the Quad 1 wins or NET ranking to feel good about anything right now.
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What did everyone think of the 16 team release today? I really hope we can get the Midwest.
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@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:
What did everyone think of the 16 team release today? I really hope we can get the Midwest.
It’s outdated and meaningless. In one day.
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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
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@approxinfinity IMHO Duke went from the final four last year to maybe making the tournament this year with all the talent money could buy (both times). I am just amazed at how much they suck now. The OAD approach is a losing approach, but “new Duke coach” (not going to bother to learn his name, he’ll be fired soon) can’t carry his weight at all. I figured they may get one good bounce year like UNC, but not enough carryover talent, I guess. They’re Kentucky pathetic now, just a bunch of talent running around with no coach.
I try to not put too much weight into a oad tournament. If it was 2-3 losses to get eliminated you would see a whole different list of champions. It’s rare the absolute best team wins due to the nature of the beast.
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@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
Coach K was a good coach once. He wasn’t the last 5 years at Duke.
I can detest the man if I want.
Calling my opinion stupid is stupid. So there.
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Amen!
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@Texas-Hawk-10 if he knew how to adapt to different eras, and you want to argue he was great throughout his time at Duke, why are you making excuses for him not having success with young teams?
I consider the Nike funneling + OAD + sit out a year on transfer situation to be the last era. He went out limping out of that era, and I think others suggested that Scheyer was taking over some of Ks coaching duties the last few years, but you wouldn’t know it, because the results are the same! My point.
And my assumption is that had that era ended sooner, Coach K would have retired sooner, because over the last decade, he was rolling the dice on OAD talent and friendly whistles and not really developing anyone.
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Ive broken with the better approach though. That is…
Coach K who?
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Do I think Coach K can coach? For sure you don’t win 5 national titles without having ability. None of you guys are wrong here. My deal with opinions are simply this, your opinion can’t be wrong but it also can’t be right it is merely an opinion. Opinions aren’t facts but facts change opinions of logical thinking folks.
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He did great at times, he did poorly at times. A Tale of Two Dukes.
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UNC about to lose to NC State and put the final nail in the coffin. Believe they will need to win the ACC title at this point.
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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn’t mean I’m worshipping him, it means I’m acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.
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@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 if he knew how to adapt to different eras, and you want to argue he was great throughout his time at Duke, why are you making excuses for him not having success with young teams?
I consider the Nike funneling + OAD + sit out a year on transfer situation to be the last era. He went out limping out of that era, and I think others suggested that Scheyer was taking over some of Ks coaching duties the last few years, but you wouldn’t know it, because the results are the same! My point.
And my assumption is that had that era ended sooner, Coach K would have retired sooner, because over the last decade, he was rolling the dice on OAD talent and friendly whistles and not really developing anyone.
Name a coach that was/is highly successful in the NCAA Tournament with very young teams? Even Self isn’t immune to that, but since you chose to ignore that part of my comment, presumably because it didn’t fit your narrative, tell me the years Self took very young teams on deep tournament runs? Youth was a big factor for KU in 2021, 2019, 2015, 2014, and 2006 amd not making it past the weekend in those seasons. So don’t pretend that Self is immune from that issue either because he definitely is not.
The OAD era ended a few years ago, in which Coach K won 2 titles, so he did just fine in that era. The current transfer portal era is when he slipped a little bit, but based on his final season, he seemed to be getting a grasp on how to navigate and build a roster in this current era as well. I also don’t expect Jon Scheyer to duplicate Coach K’s success because he’s not Coach K. I also don’t expect whoever follows Self to duplicate Self’s success because they won’t be Bill Self.
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@mayjay said in Bubble Watch:
He did great at times, he did poorly at times. A Tale of Two Dukes.
Once he got Duke rolling, he arguably had 2 bad seasons in about 35 years, and by bad, I mean miss the NCAA Tournament.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You can’t win this argument any more than you can convince a Mizzou or KSU fan that Self isn’t a cheater or an Eagles or Bengals fan that their players should not be alliwed to commit penalties just because it is the end of the game.
Fandom does really strange things to people, whether sports or politics. The hate-K cult is so entrenched that they believe he had mystical powers over referees, just like Reid does over Goodell.
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I went to UNC. I hate K and his shit school with a fiery passion. I loved every minute of ending his career in Durham and the tournament. F him
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@mayjay Eagles fans have been MUCH better online than Bengals fans. At least in terms of what I’ve seen. Bengals fans will be crying until September.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’d argue that first round losses to VCU, Lehigh and Mercer were bad.
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@FarmerJayhawk one of his worst lies was when he called out Dillion Brooks from Oregon in the handshake line, but told us something else. But lol, it was mic’d up! Then we had to watch that dble screen of his sorry ass and his wife while we were playing last yr. So pleasant!
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Bubble Watch:
I went to UNC. I hate K and his shit school with a fiery passion. I loved every minute of ending his career in Durham and the tournament. F him
He had some really Personable players-- -let’s see Grayson Allan was a real role model for the program , then K wants to call an opposing player out when shaking hands and telling the kid not to do that, e better then that when the opposing playe got into it some with Duke lol - - umm clean up your own back yard before you start trying to correct opposing playes. - I sure in the hell don’t miss him either
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@approxinfinity I suppose our first round losses in 2005 and 2006 were good, as were our several 2nd round losses to underdogs (seeded 5 spots or lower) under Larry, Roy and Bill?
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@mayjay no they were awful, but Bill trended up after that. K was trending down for a while now. And, we were getting screwed in recruiting, while he was getting everything he wanted.
Duke has had the most McDonalds All American players of any program.
But none of that matters, because Bill gets whatever he wants now.
Coach K who? Let Duke fade away into nothing, and his name be forgotten.
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I hated how Coach K made last year about him IMO. Instead of taking a Roy type approach of announcing after the season. I personally think the guy was starting to lose it upstairs. Him going nuts on his own fans for telling Capel to come sit with them.
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@approxinfinity he even got to do his own investigations! heck ya Zion recruitment clean!
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Chris Carawell and Nolan Smith can’t even pretend to be good sports. The apples don’t fall far from the tree: https://twitter.com/DocStaples/status/1500283170859716609?s=20
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Certainly lied about the Brooks thing but Brooks is Grayson Allen bad or worse, no wonder their personalities clashed
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I think UK is now in but UNC is out
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:
@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:
@dylans said in Bubble Watch:
@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)
Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round
Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I’m sure there are better places to do that than here.
Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn’t mean I’m worshipping him, it means I’m acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.
I already told you why I hate him. I don’t hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he’s good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn’t get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn’t a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.
