Next Year's Team Thread
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I’ve always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they’ve been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I’d love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot… then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he’ll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don’t realize how imposing he actually was.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I’ve always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they’ve been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I’d love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot… then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he’ll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don’t realize how imposing he actually was.
Block rates, KU career
Udoka 9.4
Dave 4.1
Cole 9.9
Jeff Withey 14.3 (OMEGALUL)
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The most impactful thing for KU’s offseason will be the NBA feedback of a player not currently on KU’s roster.
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I’ve always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they’ve been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I’d love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot… then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he’ll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don’t realize how imposing he actually was.
Block rates, KU career
Udoka 9.4
Dave 4.1
Cole 9.9
Jeff Withey 14.3 (OMEGALUL)
Withey’s timing is the craziest thing. Dude could catch a fly with chop sticks.
Craziest thing about Doke is that he added 10 inches of vert between combines…
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@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@bskeet said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Personally, I’ve always felt that Dave is a better NBA prospect than Doke. Defensively, they were about equal. However, Dave has more offensive skills and they’ve been there from the very start. Even as a freshman, it was clear that he was an entirely different 5 than Doke. Dave scored on short jumpers and jump hooks as well as dunks. Doke was pretty much just a dunk dude.
Dave can shoot it from distance, but we had enough shooters so he was never asked to go beyond the paint. Plus he hits FTs. All in all, Dave has potential to be a better pro than Doke IMHO.
I’d love for him to return, of course. But what we saw in this tournament was Dave with a bad foot… then what he could be with two good wheels should be plenty good enough to be a pro. If he gets healthy in time for the NBA tryouts to showcase his abilities, I think he’ll be a low first / early second rounder.
I can respect the opinion but their athleticism is on a different planet. I will be very surprised if David gets more than a cup of coffee. Rooting for him though.
Yea Doke setting combine vertical records really put that in perspective. It has made it hard to evaluate post players because you don’t realize how imposing he actually was.
Block rates, KU career
Udoka 9.4
Dave 4.1
Cole 9.9
Jeff Withey 14.3 (OMEGALUL)
Withey’s timing is the craziest thing. Dude could catch a fly with chop sticks.
Craziest thing about Doke is that he added 10 inches of vert between combines…
Withey’s volleyball background definitely played a large role and making him an elite shot blocker.
I doubt Doke literally added 10 inches to his vertical, I’m going to assume his trainer taught him how to properly do a vertical jump so he could maximize what he already had athletically.
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This is why CB will be back:
1- He has the chance to be this year’s Ochai. I believe he deferred to Ochai alot this year the same way Devonte deferred to Frank his senior year. In CB’s mind, it is his turn to be the star this upcoming year.
2- His relationship with Juan is extremely tight- they are best friends.
3- He didn’t test the NBA waters last year. Och did, came back, and vastly improved his draft order this year. Braun will do the same.
4- CB isn’t being mocked as a first rounder. I’ve seen him come in at 36 in one mock, 54 in another. No doubt, most mocks suck. But the example staring right in his face is Och’s path, which is going to compel him to take the same path, and not settle for non guaranteed money.
5- CB is King on campus. Leaving that for the great unknown and the land of the non guaranteed contract is a bridge too far, imo.
6- This isn’t a kid that has to score big in the NBA draft to help his family. Plus, the NIL money will tide him over.
This is purely my conjecture- I think CB will definitely test the NBA waters, and will decide to come back. I’m more worried about JW coming back than CB.
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@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
This is why CB will be back:
1- He has the chance to be this year’s Ochai. I believe he deferred to Ochai alot this year the same way Devonte deferred to Frank his senior year. In CB’s mind, it is his turn to be the star this upcoming year.
2- His relationship with Juan is extremely tight- they are best friends.
3- He didn’t test the NBA waters last year. Och did, came back, and vastly improved his draft order this year. Braun will do the same.
4- CB isn’t being mocked as a first rounder. I’ve seen him come in at 36 in one mock, 54 in another. No doubt, most mocks suck. But the example staring right in his face is Och’s path, which is going to compel him to take the same path, and not settle for non guaranteed money.
5- CB is King on campus. Leaving that for the great unknown and the land of the non guaranteed contract is a bridge too far, imo.
6- This isn’t a kid that has to score big in the NBA draft to help his family. Plus, the NIL money will tide him over.
This is purely my conjecture- I think CB will definitely test the NBA waters, and will decide to come back. I’m more worried about JW coming back than CB.
one more time my friend - NO WAY both will be back. And as far as CB and Juan being friends - - CB can be in the NBA and STILL be close friends. - the draft I have seen him in he is the 32nd pick to I believe to Golden State. I think the whole thing about about him being some King is the least of his thought process he can come back to the KU campus just like other former players and still be treated like that King. - - The goal for Cb just like any other true red blooded kid the ultimate goal is to play or be given the chance to play in the NBA. -he is at the top of the 2nd round right now in mock drafts why is he gonna risk coming back and take the risk of some possibly severe injury and not be able to play ? - why take the chance to come back and NOT improve which I think is likely as I think he has just about hit his ceiling for pro wise. It’s all about the money - -if he is indeed at that spot in the draft - -then he needs TO GO while the going is good. KU will be just fine WITHOUT CB coming back. we were fine before he got here & we will be fine AFTER he leves
@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
This is why CB will be back:
1- He has the chance to be this year’s Ochai. I believe he deferred to Ochai alot this year the same way Devonte deferred to Frank his senior year. In CB’s mind, it is his turn to be the star this upcoming year.
2- His relationship with Juan is extremely tight- they are best friends.
3- He didn’t test the NBA waters last year. Och did, came back, and vastly improved his draft order this year. Braun will do the same.
4- CB isn’t being mocked as a first rounder. I’ve seen him come in at 36 in one mock, 54 in another. No doubt, most mocks suck. But the example staring right in his face is Och’s path, which is going to compel him to take the same path, and not settle for non guaranteed money.
5- CB is King on campus. Leaving that for the great unknown and the land of the non guaranteed contract is a bridge too far, imo.
6- This isn’t a kid that has to score big in the NBA draft to help his family. Plus, the NIL money will tide him over.
This is purely my conjecture- I think CB will definitely test the NBA waters, and will decide to come back. I’m more worried about JW coming back than CB.
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I think cb would like to go but I think he and his family will listen to what the nba people say. So many similarities to oach. We’ll see
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@jayballer67 I think the only way he leaves for the draft is if the NCAA hammers us b4 the draft. If I’m wrong, I assure you I will be the first to admit it. I say he declares for the draft with the option to come back, and he takes that option and comes back. I could be wrong- I was wrong about Embiid. But I don’t think so…lol.
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I think CB has a great chance to be a long time pro in the NBA. His game is fairly well rounded already. He has shown that he can both shoot and handle on the offensive end. He rebounds his position. While he likely won’t be an elite defender in the NBA, he probably will be a solid one. He needs to get stronger, but that’s unlikely to happen until he gets to work with pros on strength and conditioning, gets a meal plan to put on weight that won’t cost him his explosiveness, etc. And he’s no slouch as an athlete. Plus, with his size he can play in any wing combination.
CB essentially took the advice that Och got last year and applied it to his own game. While some may think he wasn’t better this year, I thought he took a substantial step forward this year, and if he gets feedback, I think scouts will say the same.
The question for Braun is really if he believes he can move from NBA role player to NBA starter by coming back. If not, there’s no reason to return. He has a championship. He has accolades. If improving his shooting and consistency make him a lottery pick next year, perhaps he should return. But if all it does is move him up from mid second round to late first, he hasn’t gained much.
Ultimately, with the NBA emphasizing shooting at all positions, there’s a pretty decent chance that Braun is a coveted player. He can shoot it, and he doesn’t hurt you defensively, size wise, or on the glass.
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@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 I think the only way he leaves for the draft is if the NCAA hammers us b4 the draft. If I’m wrong, I assure you I will be the first to admit it. I say he declares for the draft with the option to come back, and he takes that option and comes back. I could be wrong- I was wrong about Embiid. But I don’t think so…lol.
I’d love CB to be back, but if the feedback he gets is that he’ll be a late first-early second round pick, he’s likely gone because he won’t improve his draft stock very much coming back.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@Jethro said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@jayballer67 I think the only way he leaves for the draft is if the NCAA hammers us b4 the draft. If I’m wrong, I assure you I will be the first to admit it. I say he declares for the draft with the option to come back, and he takes that option and comes back. I could be wrong- I was wrong about Embiid. But I don’t think so…lol.
I’d love CB to be back, but if the feedback he gets is that he’ll be a late first-early second round pick, he’s likely gone because he won’t improve his draft stock very much coming back.
that’s my thought I just don’t think he is going to improve his stock enough to come back. The mock draft I saw Cb in had him as the 2nd pick in the 2nd round and I really have a hard time thinking he would eve make 1st round
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Jalen
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For those wondering the deadline to declare is April 24th and the deadline to remove from the draft is June 13th
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NIL is huge. Jalen will make more next year at KU than he would in the GLeague.
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Plus they are going to clean up on this barnstorming tour
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@BeddieKU23 Posted on the phog that CB and JWill got 15k each from Canes for that one day appearance. That ain’t bad.
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Getting that bread!
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This is honestly the best chance any school will have I think at returning a big chunk of players from a Title team with the goal of repeated ala Florida. NIL is new and exciting for the players. They can actually earn some money and spend an entire year cashing in on the championship. Apart from Och, there are NO first round guarantees. The 2nd highest on the draft boards (Braun) is a local kid who loves Kansas and has basically a brother who will definitely be returning. Dave seems to like school and why not tack on some more degrees while cashing in on that Natty coin? Jalen could come back for a true redemption year after he got off to a shaky start this year. There’s legit reasons for 4 out of 5 starters to stay next year. I still find it HIGHLY unlikely and at best we likely keep 3 of 5 but it is possible.
Question is, if we keep all 4 and only lose och, will we be athletic enough to win it again? (insert wink emoji here)
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Until it’s official anything can happen but its very likely only 2 of the 7 guys that were in regular rotation at the end of the season will be back.
We’ll see some spots open up for transfers as there’s 2 very likely candidates going. Lot’s of fits and needs out there. Two in particular seem to have interest in KU unofficially.
KU did well getting its best recruiting class in several years with so many upperclassmen. The 2 guard/wings can play right away. The two bigs will play but will be developed and used as needed.
A lot will change between now and June
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NIL could make college basketball much better again.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Until it’s official anything can happen but its very likely only 2 of the 7 guys that were in regular rotation at the end of the season will be back.
We’ll see some spots open up for transfers as there’s 2 very likely candidates going. Lot’s of fits and needs out there. Two in particular seem to have interest in KU unofficially.
KU did well getting its best recruiting class in several years with so many upperclassmen. The 2 guard/wings can play right away. The two bigs will play but will be developed and used as needed.
A lot will change between now and June
Yeah if I were betting right now I would say two. Remy and Mitch have of course exhausted their eligibility. Dave and Och are going. They would be great again at KU but it’s time to move on. That’s 4/7 gone already.
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
NIL could make college basketball much better again.
My only argument against it at this point is it caused TOO many dudes to stay lol. In combination with extra covid years we had so many vets playing ball, guys who can play college defense, and it made the games SO boring. The tournament only had a few teams willing to run. (Oddly enough those teams faired pretty well).
But yea the NIL stuff is going to get a lot more guys to stay. Especially those borderline draft guys. It was and will be great for the sport/player retention.
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@Kcmatt7 Yeah all the big boys are going to be paying better than Europe/GLeague. If you don’t mind kinda going to class-ish (that is a deal breaker for some guys of course) then it’s a no brainer.
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Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
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NIL is market correction to what was happening which was College Bball getting gutted by guys leaving early when they had no chance to stick in the league. Imagine how many fringe talented kids left that would have stayed now with legit NIL opportunities. It’s certainly leveled the playing field somewhat and will hopefully positively impact the game going forward
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Kentucky might be in full panic mode with us passing them in total wins and Bill getting his second title before Cal, oh and Saint Peters. I imagine they will throw all the money they have at this problem.
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He’s viewed as a 2nd round pick so another year to cash in on guaranteed money vs unguaranteed seems like an awful good deal.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
NIL is market correction to what was happening which was College Bball getting gutted by guys leaving early when they had no chance to stick in the league. Imagine how many fringe talented kids left that would have stayed now with legit NIL opportunities. It’s certainly leveled the playing field somewhat and will hopefully positively impact the game going forward
HEMs everywhere are MALDING
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@BShark said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BeddieKU23 Posted on the phog that CB and JWill got 15k each from Canes for that one day appearance. That ain’t bad.
I read somewhere that the guys are in Wichita on a “barnstorming tour” today. Costs are from $30 to 125 each fan, so they’re going to rake.
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Per Front Office Sports, players will get 70% of the revenue on the tour and 100% of the revenue from items that are auctioned.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Per Front Office Sports, players will get 70% of the revenue on the tour and 100% of the revenue from items that are auctioned.
I hope they each make a huge amount.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
He’s viewed as a 2nd round pick so another year to cash in on guaranteed money vs unguaranteed seems like an awful good deal.
Why is he so unloved by the NBA?
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Very unique situation for them and it’s great to see, they earned it
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Not sure. My best guess is the lack of a perimeter game/shooting skill. He’s a beast in the paint but you look at the bigs that will go in the first round and he’s more like Doke then he is Smith/Holmgren/Banchero.
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@BeddieKU23 NBA doesn’t care about rebounds anymore??
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Besides the shooting he’s only 6’9 and doesn’t have elite level athleticism & has struggled scoring over length in his college career. He won’t be able to play the 4 position in the NBA so he’s a bit small playing the 5. He’s also seen a bit of a liability defensively. What he lacks he more then tries to make up for by being one of the best rebounders the game has ever seen
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
I’m curious to see the amount. But I think returning is in his best interest if it is even just $1M.
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JCL looks like he’ll have work to do with the Barn Stormers. They’ll be flush with cash and need advising.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Very unique situation for them and it’s great to see, they earned it
Nice to be coming off a natty, should raise the amount.
This is not new, but advertising it publicly sure is lol.
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BTW, Big Dave was named B12 Scholar athlete of the year.
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Ive been hearing that we shouldn’t be shocked if we see Oscar and Kofi back next year.
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Neither a great fit at the next level based on their skill sets so they can cash in on NIL
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@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Tshiebwe isn’t a great fit at the NBA level. Too small to play as a center, not a good enough shooter to play the 4. He’s a great college player, but may not find a role as a pro.
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@justanotherfan said in Next Year's Team Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Next Year's Team Thread:
Keep seeing Tshiebwe may return to UK for a multi-million dollar NIL deal. Any truth to this? Wild
Tshiebwe isn’t a great fit at the NBA level. Too small to play as a center, not a good enough shooter to play the 4. He’s a great college player, but may not find a role as a pro.
Aas great a rebounder as he is, Tshiebwe will find a role in the NBA. He also has a 7-4 wingspan so he won’t have an issue playing the 5. I wouldn’t expect him to be a superstar but he’s definitely someone I could see as a role player for 10+ years in the league based on his rebounding alone.
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I am with you… Tshiebwe finds a fit somewhere. And who says he can’t develop more skills to become a more viable player? The guy has scrap and sense for getting to the ball… something not really taught anywhere.
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I think he could eventually find a spot in the pros, but he has some things working against him. He’s a guy that would have been a lottery pick 20 years ago but makes you think about it now.
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