Duke Game
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Headline in NYT DP’s having his hamstring re-evaluated after missing the Duke game. Self said he will have it re-evaluated later this week. I guess he visits a doctor? He has tightness from a slight strain which is causing the tightness. The cramping issues from earlier have subsided. We will wait and see if he can make the ND game Monday afternoon. I’m guessing he is being treated daily so does slight strain equal a slight chance. The RICE method of Rest, Ice, Compression and elevation that leads to gentle stretching leading to easy exercising. It can take from a few days to several months to heal. Running and leaping are strong stressors. DP will have to follow a full rehab to get strong enough to be in practice or game shape so being very careful with him will lead to what? Early 2026? IDK.
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Melvin had some LaGerald Vick looking plays in him last night. The surprise dunk on a semi fastbreak was the play that I thought of that comparison.
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KU is one of only 2 B12 teams to have two losses. 10 are undefeated. Arizona already has wins against 3 ranked teams, two in the top 5. It could be a long year, esp. if DP’s grade 1 strain somehow persists all year…
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We were better than I expected. I don’t think I’m alone given the way the sports pundits are talking.
TBH, the MSU / UK game had the score I feared would be ours.
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Melvin had some LaGerald Vick looking plays in him last night. The surprise dunk on a semi fastbreak was the play that I thought of that comparison.
Council is Tyshawn before the second half of 2012. He can be the best player on tge court for both teams at the same time.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Duke Game:
Council is Tyshawn before the second half of 2012. He can be the best player on tge court for both teams at the same time.
Ha i forgot when people used to say that about Tyshawn. Good times.
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Melvin and Kinney and hopefully an improved Elmarko should be some depth at point next year
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Melvin will not be back next year
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@Jhawk69 For those wondering, he legitimately can’t be. He had two years of JUCO before two years in D1 so this is already his fifth year. He only got that due to the Pavia ruling.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah Tyshawn is maybe a better comp. If it leads to a near national championship then great!
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Yeah, Melvin doesn’t get the JuCo waiver. It was given for a very narrow set of players (e.g. Diggy) whose eligibility would’ve been up last year.
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2025 KU Shooting stats so far
Team 3 pt shooting: 33% – What did Self say we’d need to shoot to be successful? 37% or something?
Individual 3pt shooting
Ngala – 66.7%
DP – 50%
Tiller – 50%
Tre – 35.7%
Jamari – 33%
Kohl – 29%
Dawson – 26%
Elmarko – 16.7%
Council – a whopping 7.7%
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@wissox That goes along with my comment last night about them having their noses so far up … hmhmmmm, you know. You can refer back to the original comment if needed.
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@ImmunoHawk wasn’t Tyshawn kinda like that?
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Tiller is a big man… but how old is he? Is he the guy that came half way through last year but was injured? He sure smells like NBA talent. Hope we actually get some real play out of him before he jumps to the league. I guess he’ll be streaky for a while, maybe all year, as he gets used to this level of bball. I just don’t see him jumping after this year. Surely he’ll stick around at least one more year, especially since this coming year’s draft is probably the best draft for a dozen years or so.
Weird seeing Traylor on the bench. I’ll probably piss some people off… but I wish he was healthy and had eligibility left… at least until we get more consistency out of our bigs. lol
Mbiya… wow… he’s like a huge pile of clay, thrown against the wall! haha… someone came at me, all hyped up, claiming he’s the next Udoka. I haven’t seen that potential yet, but I sure would like to. Let’s start by putting 30 lbs of muscle on him in this next off season!
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@patoh3 yes, but over the years his good/bad ratio went from 50/50 to more like 90/10.
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Mbiya already is jacked city. He’s just supremely raw with skill at this point. Certainly, seems like a good mold of clay. Not sure we’ll ever see the fruits of the labor from him. Doesn’t sound like he plans on staying around for years.
Tiller is 20 years old and yes he enrolled early last year to get ahead on rehab. Certainly seemed like KU lucked out there with how talented he is and how high his ceiling is. Can you get him back for a 2nd year is the big question already. I would not assume anyone on this current roster is coming back because that’s the reality we are dealing with now.
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One of my favorite quotes from Self is on Tyshawn “He’ll make some plays that you can’t coach and then he’ll make some plays that will make you wonder if he has ever been coached” . I like the Council comparison the problem is, does he have time in his one year here to finish the way Tyshawn. I’d compare him to sophomore or Junior Tyshawn at his best.
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Got a chance to rewatch the game and the 2nd half finally.
I’m not as optimistic as others are which is okay. I hope that changes but so far I’m seeing a lot of overall similarities to the past few years.
Foul trouble really forced Self’s hand with subs late in that first half and seemed to completely disrupt the momentum they had going. Some individuals are going to have to figure out how to defend without fouling. We saw first hand we very little depth once again. Not having a 3rd big that is trusted is definitely a big one. Elmarko and Mari do not seem capable of playing any kind of extended minutes.
We very well could have won this one with Peterson. He changes everything and without him right now we are seeing a lot of weaknesses. Until he returns we have a clear cap on our ceiling.
Defensively I thought they competed hard when defending regularly but the double teams on Boozer were exploited and they made us pay just about every time. A lot of the double teams just seemed unnecessary, and they weren’t working and there weren’t adjustments. Felt like we made plays easier for Boozer and others by constantly being in chase mode on the rotations.
It’s clear this bunch is not an efficient shooting group outside the paint. Way too many missed opportunities from the perimeter from guys we expect to produce. Council’s shooting has to to improve as every team we’ve played has already identified him as the weak point on the perimeter. You can see the lack of confidence when he shoots as well.
Hopefully this game was beneficial for next weeks continued ACC tour.
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He has that Tyshawn wide right layup bank in shot. Hard as hell to defend.
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Our conference is a freaking bulldozer OMG. Zona slapped Hurley and UConn plus Florida and UCLA.
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@BeddieKU23 I’m not optimistic about the team if DP doesn’t come back, but I have a hard time believing he shuts it down for the full season. This draft class is pretty stacked so he needs to play to be the top pick and dropping from 1st to 3rd alone gives him $12 million reasons to play. It will also help his draft stock to show that the hamstring isn’t going to be a recurring issue for the team that drafts him.
Also don’t know about his handlers, but scouting on DP leading up to this year make it seem like he is pretty competitive, so leads me to believe he isn’t sitting without actually being injured. A hamstring isn’t keeping him out the full year unless it keeps flaring up, so taking the recovery slow isn’t a bad thing. The one area of concern I do have with this though is that it isn’t a great sign for if him playing through a minor injury should one flare up near the tournament.
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I can’t help but think of our guys and Self himself being encouraged by how they came together and played well. Can you see the high upside of young Bryson becoming a real force who can dominate and score with his soft touch and get the eff out of my way drives to the basket. The radio guys said the team was re-measured last week and Tiller is a legit 6’11 now. Oppo coaches telling a guard that you can draw an offensive foul by getting set in front of Tiller as he drives down hill okay? How much was my NIL coach? Yeah well I need a raise. And a sassy teammate adding “you need a raise and an ambulance.”
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@Zabudda I have yet to see anything from different reporters analysts and such have ANYTHING to say negative about KU every single one of them was impressed and talking about Darryn’s supporting cast talking about when we get Darryn back how they think KU will be a serios contender-- talking about different players like Tiller , Kohl-- talking about how much Flory has improved.
Was watching a Duke podcast and they were talking about how Flory just gave their Bigs fits all night long. I was very encouraged about how the guys stepped up
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Yeah, there’s a lot of uncertainty with the Peterson situation until we see him out there again. Self has created that with the lack of transparency & honesty. We get vague updates that lead to all the speculation.
The scouting report on him is he is extremely competitive, so I agree he wants to be out there but it’s a delicate situation due to many factors having nothing to do with KU. He’s got a brand and career ahead of him and this kind of injury could derail the path they are on. In a stacked draft class he certainly has incentive to get back out there. I’m not sure how much his stock would truly be hurt by sitting the rest of the season. He’s been heavily scouted already but certainly there would be questions. Certainly the only real thing that he can lose is $ in the short term. Hypothetically if he sat the season to get healthy and prepared for the draft I still believe he’d be in the Top 6 picks.
Hopefully he’s out there again soon. There isn’t much to say until there’s a definitive timeline for his return.
This is a bubble team at best without him for an extended period of time and even that might be pushing it. We are not going to see KU play like they did against Duke most nights. People can cling to moral victory all they want, it was still a 12-point defeat and for the final 25 minutes of the game KU was not in a real serious position to win the game. They kept it close as much as they could but Duke was always in control (as were the refs).
We all hope the biggest benefit right now without Peterson is forcing guys to step up. White certainly has, Bidunga has when he’s actually on the court. Tiller and Council show flashes. The rest have a ways to go. We have clearly seen who’s ready and who’s not. I really hope this adversity helps them become the team they want to be, but we need Peterson in order to get there.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/47014993/mens-basketball-freshman-year-contenders-ranking-top-10-cameron-boozer-aj-dybantsa-darryn-peterson Draft stock already seems to be dipping and I agree with this list, very small sample size on everyone especially DP but I don’t believe him to be anywhere near the best freshman in CBB this season.
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@BeddieKU23 the main thing is getting Darryn back. This team isn’t going anywhere without him. I’m encouraged by Tre and Flory especially.
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@BeddieKU23 unfortunately Self has always been that way about injuries. The Duke game was all about Flory. KU won the Flory minutes but was -14 when he sat.
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Flory’s athleticism is always what gets talked about but to me his footwork has been really good. His ability to get to the other side of the rim with an array of pivots makes him really hard to guard.
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@benshawks08 said in Duke Game:
Flory’s athleticism is always what gets talked about but to me his footwork has been really good. His ability to get to the other side of the rim with an array of pivots makes him really hard to guard.
His handling has impressed me as well
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We are now seeing why Flory was a 5* recruit. He’s not just another lanky athletic 6’9" guy.
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Small sample but his FT % is up too and that will be a few PPG added if he can keep it up when we aren’t playing duke and he gets calls
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Agreed, his footwork and handling has improved a ton.
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They have proven they are the #2 and #3 options, they just need their batman back
