KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.
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@DanR I think with how high energy both guy are you try to get them in that 20-25 minute range.
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Fair. I can get behind KJ being the difference on this one. Ball definitely moved and if Flory got 30 that makes a lot of sense.
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@kjayhawks said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@kjayhawks said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@approxinfinity ya the guy saying he was shooting off balanced with 3.5 to go still is fucking single digit IQ fella to put it nicely
Do everyone including yourself a favor and shut up. You are the most negative person on these boards and nothing the football players and coaches or basketball players and coaches do is ever good enough. Yet, you have the balls to try call others out for shit talking players on social media when all you do is talk shit about them here and claim to be nice to them on social media. All that does is make two-faced snake and a shitty human being.
This has nothing to do with the post you replied to genius. Nothing wrong with calling out players for bad play it’s part of the game. Big difference IMO than directly messaging or tagging them in negative feedback. Just about everyone on here has negative things about players. It’s part of being an athlete. There will be outside noise at this level.
Calling Jerod Haase single digit IQ, clearly you’re not talking shit about him. That’s exactly my point about you. All you here do here is post negative shit because you don’t have the balls to attach your name to the negative bullshit you post here like you would on social media. So yes, you’re a two-faced snake because you hide behind the anonymity of this site instead of saying you’re true feelings directly to the players.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 correct I called out the announcers not the players on that post. As did several others on here that you didn’t have the guts to say anything too. Several others also called out the players much more than I did tonight. I basically got on Hunts lazy defense that was all I said about the players. I can’t live in lala land like most posters do that we are just gonna cake wake to a national title. You know I love you, enjoy the win!
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We survived. I am glad. Please come back soon DaJuan
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@kjayhawks said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 correct I called out the announcers not the players on that post. As did several others one here that you didn’t have the guts to say anything too. You know I love you, enjoy the win!
My point went beyond just that single post about Haase because all you did during football season was talk shit about the team and coaches and all you’ve been doing with the players and Self the past few weeks is talk negative about them on here, but you’re so narrow minded and focused to even realize that.
Peace out!
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@kjayhawks do you even know who jerod haase is?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@kjayhawks do you even know who jerod haase is?
Yes I actually have his autograph and met him when I was in grade school. Doesn’t change the fact that him thinking that was shooting foul was stupid as hell. Once again I wasn’t the only one.
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I think @Texas-Hawk-10 is referring to your post about befriending Juan on insta or whatever and referring to Juan saying he wanted some of whatever you were eating. Meanwhile you’ve been one of the more vocal Juan bashers. Imo its not really duplicitous to say one thing to players and another on here, but you made the two worlds collide by telling us you are friendly with him. Lol
But, I agree this was hangover from another thread.
people are blowing off steam, we probably should move on?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@kjayhawks said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 correct I called out the announcers not the players on that post. As did several others one here that you didn’t have the guts to say anything too. You know I love you, enjoy the win!
My point went beyond just that single post about Haase because all you did during football season was talk shit about the team and coaches and all you’ve been doing with the players and Self the past few weeks is talk negative about them on here, but you’re so narrow minded and focused to even realize that.
Peace out!
I guess the only one mad during the football season buddy lol
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@approxinfinity said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
I think @Texas-Hawk-10 is referring to your post about befriending Juan on insta or whatever and referring to Juan saying he wanted some of whatever you were eating. Meanwhile you’ve been one of the more vocal Juan bashers. Imo its not really duplicitous to say one thing to players and another on here, but you made the two worlds collide by telling us you are friendly with him. Lol
But, I agree this was hangover from another thread.
people are blowing off steam, we probably should move on?
To me it’s a big difference than getting on and saying wow an experienced player should be able to step and make FTs (if you look back at the thread prior to that I said it was one of if not his best game). Than me send him a snap chat saying you suck wtf dude!
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@approxinfinity I have a friend that sings I don’t think he’ll ever make big doing it and I’m not a fan of his music. So should I not be his friend because I don’t like the way the he sings?
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@kjayhawks haha yeah. And in this thread you did give him props for his defensive impact. I will agree to disagree about our offense. I think Juan running the offense more methodically means much much fewer transition buckets for UCF.
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I didn’t watch the game. Been dealing with people trying to purge the federal workforce. Looks like it was a real defensive slugfest…
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@approxinfinity I’m a very logical man and I don’t sugar coat stuff. I’m not everyones cup of tea because of that and that’s more than okay. But it’s the real world Tattoo ain’t gonna coming by in his white tuxedo welcoming every to fantasy island anytime soon.
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I left the thread as it was getting stupid. Amazing what happens when i do that. I picked up a book while still watching and not getting stressed by quite a few people that I don’t really agree with but are friends anyways.
My biggest disagreement was with the was he shooting or not shooting question. I thought he was. Didn’t think Haase was stupid saying that. He pulled up the dribble to get into a shooting motion. Now was it in anticipation of a foul? Probably and can see the viewpoint that it wasn’t.
What’s really stupid to me is people on here who have been on here or over at KUSports of the LJWorld for all this time cussing people out and all this over a game. Strategy, players, one guy says this, the other says that and while maybe if we were all sitting around in a room discussing the game it’d be different. In person you can really have fun back and forth arguments. Keyboards don’t allow for that for some reason. It’s really disturbing and as much as I enjoy chatting, I really don’t get into online arguments too much. I’ve had some here too I agree, but what’s the point?
Tomorrow I’ve got to go to work and try to assure many hispanic students in my classroom that they’re safe. I’ve got to try to write another girl who is hospitalized for self harm. Real life issues make arguing about sports and players and teams really pointless, and then @MoonwalkMafia chimes in basically saying the same thing. Peace out folks. Life is beautiful and fun if you allow it to be.
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I have a friend who is a DaJuan hater. He still won’t admit that he is wrong. Lesson: don’t try to convince them. Proof won’t change their mind. Just be glad he is on the team. It’s better to have a good player certain people think is bad than a bad player certain people think is good.
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@Jhawk69 why you doggin Storr like that??
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@wissox thats fair. But just because he raised his arms doesn’t mean it was a shooting motion. He also had several teammates downcourt to pass to, and having watched more NBA than i care to admit, i would have been very surprised it they awarded that a foul. I have seen Steph Curry flail for the foul on shots he actually has business shooting and doesnt get. I overreacted about Haase. What irritated me was a) he is Haase b) he was telling us it was a foul, not suggesting that it might be a foul.
I guess thats his job, but its asking for a firm response.
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@kuballin10 I’ve probably met close to a 100 KU athletes over the years. Whether it be Mitch Lightfoot sitting down with my son and I at Jefferson’s or waiting for autographs after events. I have one rule I tell my son when talking to them. Never coach them or talk about how they played unless it’s a compliment. They have a whole staff of coaches and administrators that are already telling what to work on. Had some great conversations about Lawrence or someone’s family that knows someone I know or of that nature.
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Flory Bidunga Highlights vs. UCF (10 Pts, 11 Rebs, 5 Blks)
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Zeke Mayo Highlights vs. UCF (24 Pts, 9 Rebs, 5 Asts)
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This game showed me how valuable Juan is… on both sides of the ball. We lost the assist totals by 6. A stat we usually carry, largely because of Juan. And we didn’t do it because all our guys were driving the ball, though AJ wasn’t shy in his limited minutes.
One stat that just keeps getting bigger… Rylan, 26 minutes, 4 points. He should easily have 12+ points every game… easy. We run nothing for him and he’s our best threat from 3. We lose so much when he plays 26 minutes and only scores 4 because he is a defensive liability. He’s here and earning minutes because of his trey threat.
KJ… the guy I isolate watching… he did both good and bad. He brought some energy and it took a while but he proved valuable down the stretch. It’s just hard now to give up any Flory minutes to KJ. Flory only played 2 minutes more than KJ, but snagged 6 more rebs than KJ and had 5 blocks to none for KJ. But we do need an extra big for depth, and as long as KJ can add some energy, and some stats, the loss won’t be huge. But if Self starts giving KJ 35 minutes and benches Flory… not a positive!
I’m having a hard time assessing the value of Moore now. He almost seems like he is battling his old injury. His play is becoming timid, and he’s backing down too much on offense. I didn’t see great defense from him tonight. No wonder his minutes were backed off to 12, even with Juan out.
Coit is our guy… who will be an occasional spark plug off the bench. Tonight, he really rescued us on his trey shot.
I hope Juan is back for the weekend. We aren’t ready to face more challenges without him. Just too valuable.
I felt a lot more comfortable after the Houston loss than I do after this victory.
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Anybody know why Shak didn’t get any run in the second half? That was weird.
Speaking of weird, just about everything else in that game qualifies.
Playing time, rotations, passing ability, defense, coaching. Challenging times.
It was obviously rough without Dajuan. Let the debate return to how many minutes he plays, and not about him starting.
This is an awkward, uncoordinated team (it’s difficult to watch Rylan do anything but shoot). We need more guys who can actually dribble the ball without falling on their face.
Having only watched Storr while at KU…he seems better suited to be an open court player. Not a lot if that happening at KU this year. May actually be a better pro? Ha.
Got a chuckle out if the fastest hook ever when Self pulled Passmoore!
Jeez, we won but I still feel trodden upon.
Maybe we should play Duke every game.
But, we won without a starter and a half.
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I agree with almost everything @rockchalkjayhawk but KJ should no longer be a starter, so down 1 starter (harping because he rushed back from injury and that should not change the equation; Flory should start going forward). This may be arguing semantics. I would acknowledge down 1.5 heavy rotation players.
And, I think Rylan did more than shoot. Most def should not be a primary handler but otherwise he contributed in several areas, I thought and it stuck out to me during game when on ball. I will have to keep my eye on him a little more off ball, especially on the defensive end @drgnslayr . I havent been paying attention there
Who was responsible most for the open shooters when UCF got into their action?
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@approxinfinity said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
I agree with almost everything @rockchalkjayhawk but KJ should no longer be a starter, so down 1 starter (harping because he rushed back from injury and that should not change the equation; Flory should start going forward). This may be arguing semantics. I would acknowledge down 1.5 heavy rotation players.
And, I think Rylan did more than shoot. Most def should not be a primary handler but otherwise he contributed in several areas, I thought and it stuck out to me during game when on ball. I will have to keep my eye on him a little more off ball, especially on the defensive end @drgnslayr . I havent been paying attention there
Who was responsible most for the open shooters when UCF got into their action?
Self is responsible for making them double team Hall which created the open shots. Hunter wasn’t guarding their 7’2 guard outside. But half the time nobody was guarding their man. It’s difficult
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KJ looked half of himself but as the game wore on, he gave good effort and was a key part at times in securing the win. His FT shooting was clutch as it’s been a bright spot all year. We need him healthy there’s no doubt and happy and lucky he didn’t get injured again.
There has to be something going on behind the scenes with Moore. His usage is bizzarro land. I can imagine Self was not pleased with him for getting 2 quick fouls and basically never saw the floor after that. I wasn’t paying attention to his miscues but he did not step up for this team when they needed him. A 24 year old that didn’t take the chance and run with it. Very disappointing really.
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@drgnslayr KJ is valuable and the Houston game showed it. If his injury had kept him out again we lose last night.
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@rockchalkjayhawk You made a lot of good points. AJ is definitely an open court type and I thought with the personnel changes last night that he might get to do so. But his limited time he did a few nice things but still showing he’s trying too hard to make something happen.
Last night kind of felt like Self just told the guys just make sure you outscore them.
Mayo (where would we be without him) was frustrating. He was giving up jump shots and driving to try some off balance layup thing and they seemingly never went in. With all of the missed shots we had I’m not sure how we got to 91 except this may be Self’s best FT shooting team and they made a boatload.
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@BeddieKU23 i hope he gets more chances
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
Anybody know why Shak didn’t get any run in the second half? That was weird.
He messes up the offensive plays constantly. He was also bad last night in general. Bill be unwilling to go to him or AJ is probably why we saw that 3 big crap in hindsight.
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Im curious, if Self’s action is complicated why does he recruit guys who cant do it? Where is the disconnect? If we hire someone weak in IT we look at the interview process. Is it really not possible to determine if a kid will be able to run your stuff or not? Specifically a PG, seems like you would figure that out.
How complicated are the things they are being asked to do? What is a reasonable time frame for knowing the plays in Self’s system?
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It’s becoming more obvious as the season wears on that Bill is playing the guys he is because the others are so inconsistent. He has to play most of his bench each night to figure out who’s going to bother to show up that night to fill out the minutes.
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We missed Juan. Flory goes double double with 5 blocks. Hunt snaps out of it and makes three straight FG’s, hits free throws down the stretch and scores 24. Diggy comes up big in crunch time. Zeke keeps acting like a 24 point a night scorer. We need to keep up what we are doing and keep using the 9 deep tactic until we really find out what we have in each guy. Ten turnovers in half number one and UCF until KJ’s steal only had four all game and UCF made 14 threes. We had 10 threes ourselves and it is not so shocking when a sorely needed one goes down. Our vaunted defense was spotty and over came their FT shooting. I think Rylan and AJ are quality guys and we need them. Rylan has moved up to a solid C+ while AJ is somewhere else but keep playing him because we need him to take off. Not sure about Shak either and is he still hurt? Flory, Hunt, Zeke and Juan are the real core and a good enough one to win many more games. I’m still pissed about the Houston game what a complete waste. Like this game when we get 58 points from Flory, Zeke and Hunter is a must win for us no excuses.
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@approxinfinity Self’s defense against the pick and roll doesn’t work without a Flory. This team has grasped his stuff decently but we could value every possession better and our ball handling needs to get better. When we have a line up that works we are good and trending to very good I think. I am way too unforgiving and when I back off a bit it becomes more enjoyable. Watching Udoka and big Dave getting better was them getting better handles. Flory is way ahead of them as freshmen.
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@Zabudda With the 4 you mentioned as a core, I think Rylan has a good chance to shine as our 5th.
I do think Flory learns quickly and has the knack. Could be a really good pro.
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@BShark said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
Anybody know why Shak didn’t get any run in the second half? That was weird.
He messes up the offensive plays constantly. He was also bad last night in general. Bill be unwilling to go to him or AJ is probably why we saw that 3 big crap in hindsight.
Not sure which is more frustrating, watching shak and AJ blow up an offensive set by being in the wrong spot or diggy on d just wave exuberantly as he is either significantly out of position or in a ridiculous mismatch. Diggy was the main reason that dude went for 30. Everyone had to help him so much.
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@benshawks08 yeah that was what i thought i saw (Diggy getting torched) but wanted to hear it from someone else. Thanks
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Both diggy and Rylen have to score because they give up so much on the defensive end.
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Couple of things you may/may not know about the end of game from last night. Coach said he told the guys to foul on the final possession BEFORE the guy got to half court NOT after , and they didn’t do that. could of been costly. He said that’s why he doesn’t like to foul in those situations.
He also said about that last possession that the officials when they went to the table , they were only checking about the time NOT if the guy was in his shooting motion, saying that wasn’t something they could review even if they wanted to. - It was all about the time left.
He also said the officials said when UCF was trying to say he was in the act of shooting all the officials were saying Oh No , No , No . Things I myself didn’t know.
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@kjayhawks said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
Both diggy and Rylen have to score because they give up so much on the defensive end.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees this.
Diggy is kind of a scoring afterthought. His trey shot isn’t as steady as Rylen. Rylen really has great form. His release is way up there, quick, and with good form. He tries to set up his footing correctly, too.
One of the biggest improvements we can make right now is to take advantage of this excellent scoring option! But we have to run plays for him. He can use off-ball screens and use motion to create the space he needs. He should be an offensive priority!
I’ll keep saying it… he should be a steady scorer of 12+ ppg, even if he only plays 20 minutes.
What a complete waste of talent.
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@benshawks08 said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@BShark said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
Anybody know why Shak didn’t get any run in the second half? That was weird.
He messes up the offensive plays constantly. He was also bad last night in general. Bill be unwilling to go to him or AJ is probably why we saw that 3 big crap in hindsight.
Not sure which is more frustrating, watching shak and AJ blow up an offensive set by being in the wrong spot or diggy on d just wave exuberantly as he is either significantly out of position or in a ridiculous mismatch. Diggy was the main reason that dude went for 30. Everyone had to help him so much.
poor Diggy. he’s got just the one job though. shoot. i don’t expect any more of him.
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@benshawks08 said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@BShark said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Mad, Central Florida next on schedule, part 2.:
Anybody know why Shak didn’t get any run in the second half? That was weird.
He messes up the offensive plays constantly. He was also bad last night in general. Bill be unwilling to go to him or AJ is probably why we saw that 3 big crap in hindsight.
Not sure which is more frustrating, watching shak and AJ blow up an offensive set by being in the wrong spot or diggy on d just wave exuberantly as he is either significantly out of position or in a ridiculous mismatch. Diggy was the main reason that dude went for 30. Everyone had to help him so much.
Yeah Diggy was out there guarding air. Kind of surprised Self went with him but I guess he felt we needed offense more.
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@kjayhawks thanks for this. Little ridonkulous innit?
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@approxinfinity Pictures can be deceptive. Watch the replay and when the screen shot kjayhawks shared occurred. In my view he’s gathering the ball to shoot, anticipating the foul, sure, but he’s already given up his dribble when that still shot was framed.
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@wissox that doesnt mean he was in a shooting motion. It means he picked up his dribble. You have to draw the line somewhere. If i get a defensive rebound, see you running and looking the other way and i step in front of you and when you crash into me, hurl the ball from my hip at my rim 90 feet away do you think theyd give me 3 shots? Lol.
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In the screenshot @kjayhawks posted he was shielding with his left hand as it was fouled by Griffen. Ball was only in his right. If we want to say waving one handed at the rim 50 feet away is a shot then you may as well get rid of fouls on the floor.
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@approxinfinity ya I hate to be a dick but no way no how he is shooting that in the frame shoot when the actual foul happened. With over 3 seconds why would you shot that from there?
