Looking back at Hilton
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’ll dive into the teams another time but your flat out wrong again about 2018
Who’s this #35 that played against nova? You don’t remember them talking about his Mom coming over to see him play?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401025886
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@BShark Ya I don’t think Zach will be back, actually surprised he stuck this year
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The thing that bothers me most about last night besides the poor in-game management of rotations and reading the room of who was playing well/wasn’t, is the fact three Seniors, two of them 5th/6th year guys did not have a lot of poise during critical parts of this game. The turnovers last night were awful from Juan and Hunt in particular. This is a reoccurring issue that happens in big games like this, especially on the road. We’ve seen the ceiling of all 3, there is nothing untapped to unlock from any of them. Maybe they will learn from this but I’m not optimistic there.
Hunt’s effort last night was piss-poor on both ends. There’s a pattern there with him when things don’t go well. Competitiveness especially.
Juan missing 5 Free Throws at critical points of the game. Unfortunate I guess is the nice way of putting it.
Hopefully KJ is okay with that shoulder, but he was not good on offense around the rim. 4 years later with his athletic ability and still not finishing strong and through contact.
Zeke is our best offensive player and yet he is rarely the focus. Flory is one of our best 5 players and yet he’s a sub playing out of position when Hunt stays in. What a mess
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Also wanna say I hate that Zeke is on this roster. I know the front of that jersey means something to that kid and he’s played his ass off. He’s just stuck on a roster where the circle of trust runs this roster.
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@TYOHawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Also wanna say I hate that Zeke is on this roster. I know the front of that jersey means something to that kid and he’s played his ass off. He’s just stuck on a roster where the circle of trust runs this roster.
You don’t think the front of the jersey means anything to Juan or KJ??
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@Woodrow said in Looking back at Hilton:
@TYOHawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Also wanna say I hate that Zeke is on this roster. I know the front of that jersey means something to that kid and he’s played his ass off. He’s just stuck on a roster where the circle of trust runs this roster.
You don’t think the front of the jersey means anything to Juan or KJ??
Considering we’ve been getting our ass kicked during most of Juan’s tenure not really. For KJ I do think it means something so I’m wrong for omitting him but Zeke is a Lawrence kid.
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ESPN radio just said Self has lost by 12 or more points 40 times in his KU career, 13 of those have came in the last 3 years to date. Thats over 32% of blowouts in a very short time frame for Kansas basketball. We all ain’t used to that for sure
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I meant to say 2015 in terms of the high low garbage not working. Slice it up any way you want to its pretty damn evident it isn’t working and hasn’t since 2011-12. Bill Self this point has lost his damn mind IMO.
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Doesn’t it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Doesn’t it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?
They’re kind of holding the program hostage.
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@rockchalkjayhawk yes to the point where people on X are asking what pictures they have of Self he doesn’t want to come out. The same radio show was saying Juan maybe the worst 4 year starter 5th year senior in NCAA history and it’s hard to argue at this point.
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Wow! How low can you go? Ask some of the players what KU means to Juan, CB, Och, Wilson, Big Dave, Kevin, KJ, ask last yrs team or Gurley and Hanni. These players and guys know a hell of a lot more than you do!
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@TYOHawk Yeah problem is Self is the only guy on the planet who doesn’t see it that way
In his mind Juan is one of the greatest KU pg’s and led them to a national title - because he’s said that for now 3 straight years and his actions of playing him so many minutes confirm it
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@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@TYOHawk Yeah problem is Self is the only guy on the planet who doesn’t see it that way
In his mind Juan is one of the greatest KU pg’s and led them to a national title - because he’s said that for now 3 straight years and his actions of playing him so many minutes confirm it
Legit laughable take. We would’ve been out in the second round if it wasn’t for Remy. Creighton was leaving Dajuan open all first half. Self has had favorites before ie Jamari Traylor and etc. But the love for the core 3 and them being in the circle of trust is making for some unwatchable basketball.
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@BeddieKU23 I agree probably with you on 99% , I also think in a lot of these bigger , more intense games these guys get sped up, which is not good. They get caught up with better more athletic players and then turns into a cluster F - - - , Has to be changes BUT were not going to see it --Coach has that bull headed streak in him, which is not good.
I’m still a huge fan of Coach but dam got to fix this as much as i hate to say the article I read and then posted the thread here titled about harsh was spot on.- -I think coach has to turn that leash lose and let these guys go. - - How can a kid feel comfortable/confident when he spends more time looking over at the scorers table every time he makes a mistake, worried about getting yanked,
Dam straight does it suck mistakes are being made? – hell ya it does, but we see mistakes galore from Dickinson – even Juan and yet you don’t see either getting yanked out in a flash- -let these kids play through the mis mistake and learn- - the mistake is in the past and move on There is no way a player can focus on his game- - -and play to his capability if he is scared to death the first time he screws up he is getting yanked.
All your doing with that approach is destroying any self confidence the kid may have to where he becomes a shell of himself and then what?- -Plus you can believe this or not BUT sooner or later this kind of happenings is going to get out and players aren’t going to want to come play here and go through this bullshit --you don’t think if another player who is considering KU if they talk to AJ and or Griffen or whoever and ask how their experience here and playing for Coach Self was, you don’t think they won’t say it sucked and your an idiot if you come and go through this- --Ha guess again
Now watch come Sat and if we curb stomp KSU and play well then all you hear is - -ove see people just over reacting we are fine we don’t have issues- - - umm YES we do and they need fiixed and fixed now
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Looking back at Hilton:
Wow! How low can you go? Ask some of the players what KU means to Juan, CB, Och, Wilson, Big Dave, Kevin, KJ, ask last yrs team or Gurley and Hanni. These players and guys know a hell of a lot more than you do!
You are missing the point young lady. No one is saying these guys don’t care about KU. Maybe Storr doesn’t care about anything or Hunt didn’t last night. A bit of advise that I got from a successful college coach “My job is to find someone better than my current players. The players job is to push themselves to the level that I can’t do my job”. Coaches have to put their team in the best position win games regardless of whom you like better or have had on your roster longer.
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@kjayhawks reread it!
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I think people are overcomplicating what’s going on here. An offense with Harris and Adams each playing 30 minutes a game is never going to be better than mediocre because of how limited they are offensively. It’s exacerbated by Shak Moore (and I like him) not being a good shooter and David Coit being on a legendary cold streak shooting the ball.
Griffen needs to be playing 30+ minutes (currently only averaging 18), and Storr needs more minutes too (also averaging 18). I realize Storr has sucked this year, but he’s a career 35% 3pt shooter and is probably our best hope of getting to the FT line more often if he can manage to get his act together.
Defense has been pretty good for the most part, but Hunter has the mobility of a 40-year-old man and good teams like Iowa St that force Hunter to defend PnRs, rotate, and recover are going to get a lot of open looks/layups.
Basically I think Zeke and Rylan need to be leading the team in minutes, KJ’s minutes need to go down significantly, and Juan’s minutes need to go down slightly. And if Coit continues to play like this I’d rather see Passmore get minutes.
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@rockchalkjayhawk It is a little tiresome. A little unfair too, that players worse than them take none of the blame. But that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
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Imagine thinking you actually know what is going through Bill’s mind. The narcissism required for that is enormous.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Looking back at Hilton:
I think people are overcomplicating what’s going on here. An offense with Harris and Adams each playing 30 minutes a game is never going to be better than mediocre because of how limited they are offensively. It’s exacerbated by Shak Moore (and I like him) not being a good shooter and David Coit being on a legendary cold streak shooting the ball.
Griffen needs to be playing 30+ minutes (currently only averaging 18), and Storr needs more minutes too (also averaging 18). I realize Storr has sucked this year, but he’s a career 35% 3pt shooter and is probably our best hope of getting to the FT line more often if he can manage to get his act together.
Defense has been pretty good for the most part, but Hunter has the mobility of a 40-year-old man and good teams like Iowa St that force Hunter to defend PnRs, rotate, and recover are going to get a lot of open looks/layups.
Basically I think Zeke and Rylan need to be leading the team in minutes, KJ’s minutes need to go down significantly, and Juan’s minutes need to go down slightly. And if Coit continues to play like this I’d rather see Passmore get minutes.
Been saying this for over 2 years now on Juan and KJs minutes
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Doesn’t it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?
Can we all agree that Hunter is the most immobile upright ferret we’ve ever seen run? Just looking for something to unite the board…
Son of Thom, Son of Mickel, Son of Dickins.
All the Hunters I know.
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@approxinfinity Hunter doesn’t seem to have a spec of athletic ability at this point.
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@approxinfinity yea, sure. but…
He doesn’t need much athletic ability to get his shot off. Great touch. He needs teammates or a coach with the ability to get him open near the hoop. Not 15 feet away from the hoop where his unathletic ability slows things down. Spacing!
It’s happened before. It can happen again. Maybe.
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Hunter was decent until he picked up his second foul. After that, he was playing not to commit any more fouls which manifested as him being very unaggresive last night.
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@BShark Honest question - has he not said all those incredible things about Juan? And does he not play him an obscene amount of minutes in big games which confirms what he said?
Not sure how a poster is a narcissist but maybe the coach who’s ego has never ever been checked and is experiencing legitimate failure with his favorite pg of all time - needs a reality check about his analysis???
Just maybe?
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@kjayhawks It’s those two plus Hunt as well……but definitely those two dating back to the Ark game
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@approxinfinity said in Looking back at Hilton:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
Doesn’t it kinda suck that for the last four or five years every argument comes down to KJ and Juan?
Can we all agree that Hunter is the most immobile upright ferret we’ve ever seen run? Just looking for something to unite the board…
Son of Thom, Son of Mickel, Son of Dickins.
All the Hunters I know.
It is all 3
Best guys to build around at Shak, Zeke and Rylan and definitely sprinkle in Hunt and KJ
No way Bill sees it that way - ooppps I’m a narcissist for even attempting to know what he thinks
I mean wth - what kind of message board is it when the coach says it and plays him a ton
It’s evident he attributes that title to starting pg
More proof??? Try right after the game when THE FIRST guy he gave credit to was Juan
Any other coach points out Big Dave’s bucket or remy’s herorics but nah we get the guy who stepped ob with 3 seconds and sat for almost the final 10 minutes of game time
I mean speak of a narcissist he’s obsessed with giving Juan credit
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KU now dead last in free throw attempts in all of college ball
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@BeddieKU23 and we don’t shoot a lot of threes
But we love tough 2’s and the mid range game cause we can’t get to the rim well
#geniuscoaching!
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HUNT - I read other KU stuff, too. I liked the idea where the rest of Hunt’s NIL money is based on a performance contract. He’s making his big money in life now. Makes sense. He is way too laid back!
JUAN - Self is playing him off the ball now (2 guard). Seems like he’s less focused. I like Shaq and his defense but we need more offense out of the 1-2. If it’s not him then Juan needs to score more.
SHAQ - he’s still not 100%. Most of it now is psychological. Getting him to feel like he can do more and not get hurt. I’m still hopeful to see more improvements from him.
KJ - he’s playing with more intensity and it’s a huge help. Now if he can regain his shooting touch from mid range!
Rylan/AJ - essentially we play both a few minutes and hope they add a couple buckets. Not big production and it’s a pity because many of us expected more.
Diggy - a smaller version of Rylan/AJ.
Flory - he’s inconsistent… but he’s a freshman. What is clear is we don’t coach up our bigs.
TEAM - we are capable of killing the best teams or losing to the worst. It all depends on the mindset we bring into games. Hope we peak in March… could be exciting. I can just as easy see us go home the first weekend. As far as conference crown… forget it. No way! ISU or Houston. I expect us to finish 3 or 4.
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I think we’ve seen Juan isn’t a scorer, nor can he be relied upon to do so on any kind of consistent basis. The Creighton/Mizzou week where he went 11/35 from the field in two games where both teams baited him to shoot is a good example.
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@drgnslayr it tough to score points when 3 starters don’t look to score and the defense doesn’t have to respect them in the slightest. You only have to guard Zeke and Hunt. Long story short it’s just too easy for opposing teams to hold us below 70 most nights.
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@drgnslayr I also really like the idea of pay for performance, but I don’t think that is feasible with the current NIL structure.
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@patoh3 Don’t worry. The courts just said Title IX means the women need paid an equal amount as men’s sports. That 20 million payroll is to be split evenly between women’s and mens sports.
Guess that upcoming 4 million dollar volleyball budget will pay major dividends since volleyball draws the eyes.
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Round and round we go. Just when NIL was making people do things above board, title ix swoops in and creates a new necessity for under the table NIL
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Hearing KJ is for sure gonna be out tomorrow
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@BeddieKU23 said in Looking back at Hilton:
KU now dead last in free throw attempts in all of college ball
A remarkable (remarkably sad) stat. We don’t have a player averaging more than 2 FTAs pg other than Dickinson, and he less well less than 3. The past two years, McCullar and Wilson averaged about 6 trips to the line per game. Same with Dotson, Graham and even Lawson. Mason averaged about 7 his senior year. The title team had 4 players averaging 3-5 FTAs per game.
We’re on a pace for about ~400 team FTAs. The title team had about 660. The 15-16 team had 762.
Inexplicable, but this team just plays soft…
