West Virginia- a game finally
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@BShark Dang that coming from you is rough….
#levelup!
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Excuse me… any new believers?
https://kubuckets.com/topic/13581/christmas-gift-to-kj
Here is his stats for the game:
28 minutes… 2 points on 1 of 5 fg attempts. 1 rebound (def rebound). 1 TO. 3 PF.
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This game showed me what I’ve known all along
I’d trade our 1 and 5 for their 1 and 5 in a heartbeat
Small was interested but Bill can’t sit his favorites or recruit over them
A stud pg who can score, defend and beat his man consistently off the dribble
A 5 man who is athletic as heck, defends the entire halfcourt/and rim and dunks everything
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@BShark I vote and I’m about to retire with him unfortunately.What happened to the 4 around 1 that won you a Natty you would think that’s the winning formula.Instead of reverting back to this shit.
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@BShark ya get out while your ahead
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I don’t know what DaJuan or KJ has on Coach but it’s essentially neutered my goat.
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Kinda sad that the kid we passed on in the beginning is the one who is having to carry us I don’t know where the hell we would be without Zeke right now.
Someone needs to put a can of TNT up Hunters ass the guy is such a liability on defense
Pretty saad when the Refs comes up and admits the Back court call was a missed call. Well super little late for that now, but the efs didn’t cost us this game - -some players cost us this game, our Coach playing the wrong players
Coach tells Zeke needs to attack more - -Zeke 13-13 from the line, think he got the message
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Kj 2 points 1 board in 28 minutes
Bill plays nba guess less minutes and gives kj all the leash in the world
Text thread with former players looking real juicy right now!
Games past Bill by and his lack of adjustments are asinine
Last play was a great call to the wrong effin player
Throw it to Hunt or Flory or Zeke but don’t throw it into Kj so he can’t even get a shot up
Self is so disconnected from the reality with this team. He doesn’t maximize his roster and never has. It’s break them down military style to gain his trust then you can do no wrong. If you get on the wrong side of his trust you are screwed oh and if you are new you are screwed
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WVU missing two starters, brand new coach and looked lightyears better than us Nice to see Joe play loose!
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Why recruit hoopers from previous teams and not let them play to get a feel for the way we play.But instead you bench players for a guy who is never gonna sniff the NBA.Its no way you sit on the bench and see teams not guard KJ and say this is good offense.Juan isnt the issue he needs shooters around him and so does Hunter to operate.Get your head out your ass Bill
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Bill benched KJ for a long stretch in the second half then used him situationally at the end of the game. He got a steal and drew a foul (both of which were mitigated by officiating errors). I am also disgruntled with KJs overall play today, but I am not really sure what more one would want from Bill in that regard. Benching KJ and then correctly using him situationally for a couple minutes is about all you can ask for.
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@NormRoberts AJ Storr was never a good fit for this roster. He’s never played any defense, still hasn’t here. His idea of playing food defense is the same as most of my 7th grade team who have never played organized basketball before which is chase every pass to swipe at taking himself out of the play. On offense, Storr us a ball dominant player who plays like James Harden, but has about 30% of Harden’s ability.
I also believe Storr is a bit uncoachable which is why this is his 7th different team in 7 years going back to high school. Storr has the physical tools to be an NBA player, but he doesn’t have it between the ears to be one at this point. I don’t know whether that’s all on AJ, his family, or whoever is in his ear, but unless he figures something out, he’ll be with his 8th team in 8 years next season.
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I’d be curious to know which assistant coaches do the advanced scouting for which games and comes up with the scouting reports for each opponent.
It seems like this has become a major weakness for the staff and that’s not all on Self. It seems Norm Roberts and Jeremy Case are pretty weak in this area and if there’s any discussions about replacing assistant coaches in the offseason because it does seem like our scouting and preparation for games has been a major weakness the past couple of seasons.
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I really like KJ and glad he is a Jayhawk - just not as a 30 mpg starter. Against P5 level competition this year - WVU, NC State, Mizzou, Creighton, Duke, MSU, and UNC, he has reached double figures just twice - 11 and 14 pts. More than 5 RBs just once. He doesn’t rebound, he doesn’t block out, he can’t shoot, can’t create his own shot, can’t shoot over length, and he doesn’t use his strength to attack the rim and draw fouls. He can guard the perimeter, knows the offense, and the ball doesn’t stick with him. Would be a really good 10-15 minutes bench player who can bring energy and enthusiasm. Expecting more, especially against P5 frontcourt athletes, is simply inexplicable…
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@Texas-Hawk-10 from the pregame, I think it was Norm, he said they did 2, one w/ and w/out their star player.
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Obviously at this point it’s time to call a spade a spade. Bill Self sucks ass at roster construction, Moore, Griffen, Coit, Storr and KJ combined for 5 points and 5 rebounds. That’s maybe the most ridiculous line I’ve ever seen. All guys hand picked by Bill Self. As I’ve been saying for 2 years now KJ has no business playing 30 minutes a game and should be in a Lightfoot type role of 15-20 minutes. He played 28 today, if it was 15 we win no question.
The switching 5 defense is a J-O-K-E, yes I realize it worked in 2022. But you’re comparing apples to oranges. We had 4 guards and David McCormick was dam good at ball screen defense. None of our bigs are , the last play for them was too easy. Guard switched to a big, then draw the foul. Bill needs to take a long hard look in mirror at this point.
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I’m not normally a ref complainer… Absokute hose job.
Besides that, KJ is either scouted completely or hurt. Either way Flory needs big minutes moving forward.
Diggy needs more time.
Self NEEDS to figure out how to get Storr going and aggressive. Times he has a driving lane he passes. Times he’s completely guarded he tries to drive/dribble.
Still not worried. Team has all the talent, just need to figure out a few more things.
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@Kcmatt7 I couldn’t watch with work but listened to bits and the final minute. We shot 22 free throws to their 6, that stat lines are pretty even outside of shooting from the floor. In which I’m hearing Hunt, KJ, Juan and Zeke missed about 5 bunnies a piece. Just not sure how much I buy into the refs costing us.
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It was a good call by Self when he took a chance with Flory during our rally. I don’t believe WVU grabbed an offensive rebound after that.
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I don’t know either but he is likely costing himself a fair price of change with the path he has chosen.
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@kjayhawks When KU got the lead down to two the first time, the refs blew a call against KU that gave WVU momentum back. Zeke Mayo chased down a bad pass, jumped before crossing the half court line and passed the ball back into the front court, but the refs called him for a halfcourt violation that they admitted after the game was a bad call.
I’m not screaming about the refs costing KU, but that missed call significantly altered the momentum of the game and let WVU go on a mini run to get the lead back to 3 possessions late.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 sounds like if a senior led team showed up in the first that wouldn’t have mattered. New nickname for this team: the Lazies, I’m rewatching the game now and we are just flat out getting out hustled to every damn rebound and lose ball. Absolutely unacceptable on all levels.
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We first cut it to two they hit a jumper to go up four, Coit missed a trey badly and Yesfu didn’t miss and we were seven down just like that with 5 minutes to go. We were still down by six at the 1:36 mark. So for 3 and 1/2 minutes we only made up one point. Their 5 point run shortened the game when we were defending much better.
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The last times KU ran with 4 guards:
2022: Juan, Och, Braun, Wilson and McCormick- National title
2020: Dotson, Moss, Garrett, Och and Doke
Number 1 seed in a canceled tournament.
2018: Devonte, Newman, Svi, Vick and Doke
Final four
2017: Mason, Devonte, Svi, JJ and Lucas
Elite 8 likely NC with Doke uninjured
Every year we have ran two bigs since 2014 we have gone home in the first weekend in March. Anyone noticing a trend? Is Self starting to slip mentally? Watching parts of todays game the high low did work for a run with Flory and Hunt. It’s fine periodically but isn’t what you want to be running continuously throughout the game in 2024. There is a picture on X of KJ with the ball at the top of the key, No one within 10 feet of him. To his left Juan, no one with in ten feet of him. To his right Storr, no one with in 10 feet of him. In the corner Mayo has a guy about 6 feet off between him and the bucket. 4 WV defenders have their feet in the paint 3 of them completely surrounding Hunt. Boy Self really went and got shooter folks. I have lost all faith in our head coach friends. Any basketball coach will tell you how important spacing is on offense. Can’t have spacing when no one respects your team offensively
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@kjayhawks said in West Virginia- a game finally:
@Kcmatt7 I couldn’t watch with work but listened to bits and the final minute. We shot 22 free throws to their 6, that stat lines are pretty even outside of shooting from the floor. In which I’m hearing Hunt, KJ, Juan and Zeke missed about 5 bunnies a piece. Just not sure how much I buy into the refs costing us.
WVU was shooting a lot of floaters vs Zeke driving it to the rim.
The back court violation was not one. Objectively. Cost us a possession. Blown call.
The foul that was a tie up should have been a tie up. Would have been KU ball.
The KJ “foul” on the sideline was not a foul. Guy just went OB.
I’m 100% convinced that KJ was fouled on the final shot/possession.
All of this under 3 minutes to go.
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Like absolutely this team needs to learn how to play in the first half. Not sure we deserved to win the game. But I can’t believe the calls missed late.
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Zeke Mayo was mad at himself for not getting the and one shots to fall but 13/13 from the line is impressive especially when the announcers had tried to jinx him. He makes scoring look effortless and I think he should get even more points per game going forward. Whatever flipped the switch IDK but it’s sweet to watch.
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Bill was really pissed by the last call but cut it off and went thru the sportsmanship line.
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@Kcmatt7 Funny thing is I’ll complain about refs, like I still remember 1986 FF against Duke and getting hosed.
But today we got so many calls go our way today, nothing specific, but fouls and FTs disparity made it hard for me to point at the zebras.
The backcourt violation if you can watch again you’ll notice the ref in the front court was right there and saw exactly what happened and I think it was the backcourt ref, not in the best position who anticipated the call and called it.
The play that flat out cost us this game was when we forced the TO with about 20 seconds and KJ inexplicably thinks he’s MJ or DrJ and has about the same chance I’d have of making one there. I wish Bill had quick used the last TO, but KJ didn’t give him much time to make that decision.
Kudos to WVU and their new coach. Big moment for them.
And I’m wondering what happened to this team who was on top of the world seemingly in November after beating Duke?
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@wissox said in West Virginia- a game finally:
@Kcmatt7 Funny thing is I’ll complain about refs, like I still remember 1986 FF against Duke and getting hosed.
But today we got so many calls go our way today, nothing specific, but fouls and FTs disparity made it hard for me to point at the zebras.
The backcourt violation if you can watch again you’ll notice the ref in the front court was right there and saw exactly what happened and I think it was the backcourt ref, not in the best position who anticipated the call and called it.
The play that flat out cost us this game was when we forced the TO with about 20 seconds and KJ inexplicably thinks he’s MJ or DrJ and has about the same chance I’d have of making one there. I wish Bill had quick used the last TO, but KJ didn’t give him much time to make that decision.
Kudos to WVU and their new coach. Big moment for them.
And I’m wondering what happened to this team who was on top of the world seemingly in November after beating Duke?
KU has been on the bad side of foul disparity all season and I haven’t felt like KU was jobbed. We shot a ton of floaters. Today Zeke got to the line and took it to the defenders. It isn’t unfair officiating.
Thinking foul disparity means bad officiating is silly.
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People continue to roast Bill on Twitter/X for continuing to defend KJ and play him as much. He said the last play was drawn up for KJ (stupid). He defended KJ saying he just had a bad game and then threw Storr and Griffen under the bus. Hes gonna lose this team if he already hasn’t. If he has any coaching sense he’d start the two of them and actually let them play thru those mistakes like he does KJ, Juan and Hunt.
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For the other team’s trolls who are checking out this site - this is the greatest New Year’s Eve in the history of the Universe.
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Self described the showing as “as miserable (an) offensive team as I’ve seen play in this building in 22 years. That was horrid.”
Pretty much sums it up. So, coach, why couldn’t you do anything to fix it???
I’m losing faith.
– If this were baseball … it’s time to send Storr and Griffen to outright waivers. Would we miss them? Not tonight for sure. What purpose do they serve? They are stiff as boards and shit their pants every time they get in the game.
– Honestly, how can Self defend KJ any more? Yes, he had a great game vs Duke. But I was so freaking happy when he took him out for a good long stretch today. I didn’t keep track, but i assume we made our comeback with him on the bench.
– The lone positive tonight: Zeke. Although he had his share of F ups. One in particular may have cost us the game (driving to the rim and dumping it off in mid layup instead of taking the shot).
– We knew our defense was going to be bad this season. We knew our offense would have to carry us. Surprisingly the D has played well on occasion, but even more surprisingly, the offense has not played well on occasion.
– How can we have ONE freaking guy trying to make shots??
– I’m at the point where you say F it and play Passmore as a starter. Let him at least put some effort in on D. He’s athletic enough to score a few every game. Can’t be worse than Storr, right?
– Where’s Shaq?
– This team is incongruous.
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@rockchalkjayhawk Agree on all
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I’ve been a KJ supporter for a long time , but now after the way things have played out for him this year, sad to say probably not as much. I like so many others love KJ , great kid , he will bust his ass, do dirty work, however I think he would be a great 6th man - -a 15-18 minute man NOT close to a 30-31 player, He just takes away too much for times such as that. Would be great he come in to give Hunter a few minutes break , Flory a break , back up at the five for those two. , maybe a small, small period at the four - -KJ can’t play the four- -well successfully anyways-- he just can’t
This has got me wondering /questioning on a couple of things. A couple of questions & not trying to be disrespectful to anyone KJ- -Staff but as we all have seen KJ play enough we know what KJ brings to the floor, My question is I just wonder what the staff, Coach included what did they see in KJ in the first place coming out of high school to offer him a Scholarship ?
I mean come on let’s be serious- the poor kid doesn’t have a shot---- - he doesn’t or won’t rebound - -he does play pretty decent defense- - he is a fairly good passer , BUT those things just does not play a big enough part to over come the other area’s we need the guy for KJ to be starting and playing the minutes he plays- - Again what did they see coming out of High School?
My other question is you all know if we can see the things where KJ is lacking then , for dam sure the staff has to see these things. Question is , has there been a really serious effort to work with KJ one on one , another step in developing the player taking him and spending sufficient time , I’m talking long periods of time working on his shot , I’m talking like they should of dedicatetd someone to during an entire off season have someone working with him, be in the gym daily to develop a shot - -working on his technique , his form. He needs serious long reputation’s on a shot form and technique.
Same thing can be said for his rebounding. the kid needs work on positioning and boxing out, KJ is built like a brick shithouse without a brick missing- -the guy has the ability to just use that body and rebounding positioning to average about 7.5 – - 8 rebounds at least-- not 4. Again love KJ he tries , well in some he does , other times I just don’t know , but if we want to do any damage KJ can JUST NOT be playing right at 30 minutes a game , he just can’t. - -We need another scorer on the floor at that position We need someone that is going to force the opposition to respect that player and actually guard against his shot. With Kj they know KJ can flush the hell out of the ball , but they just sag off , clog the lane , and help defend Hunter and force KJ to if he is going to , they force him to make jumpers- Coach has to realize there has got to be a change. Hell put Rylan at the four, maybe not the best option but better then KJ OR put Passmore let him play a small four for a bit something-- -we just can’t continue like this and expect to do any real damage
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Didn’t enjoy the game, but the game thread meltdown is as expected, hilariously entertaining.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in West Virginia- a game finally:
– If this were baseball … it’s time to send Storr and Griffen to outright waivers. Would we miss them? Not tonight for sure. What purpose do they serve? They are stiff as boards and shit their pants every time they get in the game.
Storr - 2nd team all big 10 averaging 17 a game
Griffen - third leading scorer at 11 ppg on a final 4 team last year
They now look like they’ve suddenly forgotten how to play basketball……this has been a theme with transfers so is it the transfer who’s the issue or the coach?
Answer is plain as day but homers don’t want to admit it
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If the trex arm Morrii every rebounded like kj they’d be railroaded by coach for not hustling
Kj hasn’t rebounded for 4 years but man does he hustle is all we hear. He never hustles to the glass……
What happen to the offense running pnr with Juan and kj? That’s completely disappeared and we cooked missery with it two years ago….
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@dylans Oh ya I’m just enjoying the hell out of it, I mean come on. We have a great kid who busts his ass but does not belong on the floor for 30 minutes a game , in any way shape or form. geez - just ugly,- - - then we have a 7’2 guy with a three inch explosion who thinks he is Steph Curry draining three’s, He did not show much if anything from about the middle of last yr , to now this year trying to knock down three’s. PLANT YOUR ASS down in the block – get your position - -demand the ball- -and take the fricken ball to the Hole. Kid is as slow as a sloth constantly getting his ass beat when he is extended out to the top of the key
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Bill’s response when asked about what he saw from AJ Sorr & Rylan Griffen after the WV game — I didn’t see much. Well hell no Coach you sure didn’t see much when you had their ass on the bench for 3/4 of the game. Hard to see anything when it’s like that unless you lean forward and stretch your neck and look down towards the end of the bench
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Looking like 3 seasons of Bill coddling KJ and dajuan and three seasons of second round exits. Thankfully next season we’ll have the top 5 pick echelon level of talent that we haven’t seen in years and hopefully Bill remembers that spacing is important.
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@kuballin10 said in West Virginia- a game finally:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in West Virginia- a game finally:
– If this were baseball … it’s time to send Storr and Griffen to outright waivers. Would we miss them? Not tonight for sure. What purpose do they serve? They are stiff as boards and shit their pants every time they get in the game.
Storr - 2nd team all big 10 averaging 17 a game
Griffen - third leading scorer at 11 ppg on a final 4 team last year
They now look like they’ve suddenly forgotten how to play basketball……this has been a theme with transfers so is it the transfer who’s the issue or the coach?
Answer is plain as day but homers don’t want to admit it
lol lol lol. All transfers to KU suck! (Omits the two leading scorers from the team.)
I’m not 100% sure why, but the meltdown on here is so humorous to me. People losing their shit over something completely unimportant (entertainment) just warms my heart to know you’re all in such a good place that this little unimportant stuff matters so much to ya. Happy days, happy new year!!!
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@kjayhawks said in West Virginia- a game finally:
People continue to roast Bill on Twitter/X for continuing to defend KJ and play him as much. He said the last play was drawn up for KJ (stupid). He defended KJ saying he just had a bad game and then threw Storr and Griffen under the bus. Hes gonna lose this team if he already hasn’t. If he has any coaching sense he’d start the two of them and actually let them play thru those mistakes like he does KJ, Juan and Hunt.
He’s lost this group. And I can’t blame the transfers. You miss one defensive rotation or jumpshot and you’re pulled. KJ gets to go out there and put out a prime Matt Kleinman stat line and gets to play 25 minutes no matter what.
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Upon further review…there were two bright spots last night. Zeke and Flory.
Bidunga was great. (I’m ignoring that last second freshman mistake)
Love his energy and enthusiasm.
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I’m just not sure that KJ over Flory is a winner. We put KJ and Hunter and together and we get Hunter trying to scramble back from the top of the key to cover the easy layups. It’s been a disaster and KJ and Flory together we get the same damn thing, And as opponents get so many easy shots they could get more. WVU could have been up by over 20 instead of 15 in the first half. Also we are last in the conference in giving up offensive rebounds. When we had Hunt and Flory together we owned the glass. Flory is a freak on defense. Did you watch him smother whomever was his man? He played belly button to belly button with athletic guards even better than KJ does. He showed us and them and the guards didn’t know how to react to that 7’2" wingspan who is quicker than they are. We lost the game when he was pulled out and that’s the truth. Hunter was able to play down low and get in position to rebound and when he gets that position he is in his element and he can be his bad ass self. We are wasting a guy who is a preseason first team AA selection. He gets the board and is as good as it gets making the outlet pass. Flory even showed a couple of nifty moves on offense. It looks like we are setting up Hunter for failure. KJ averages 9 pts on 55% shooting and Flory averages 6 pts on 82.9%. KJ averages 29.4 minutes per game to Flory’s 12.6 minutes per game. Teams are making a joke of our defense and we are playing hard.
Juan on point, Zeke as the #2, a big guard ScorrGriftPassShak at the #3, LeFreak at the #4 and the Big Game Hunter.
We have to make 9 to 12 threes per game to be a top seed. Winning the 16 team conference is good but we are looking for bigger things aren’t we?
Happy New Year my peeps.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in West Virginia- a game finally:
Upon further review…there were two bright spots last night. Zeke and Flory.
Bidunga was great. (I’m ignoring that last second freshman mistake)
Love his energy and enthusiasm.
How Flory reacted to getting faked out was very telling. He pressed his lips together and walked away. No bull no poor me just acceptance.
I could question that call. Flory went straight up and the dude literally lunged under him from a long ass way away. An offensive foul move if I’ve ever seen one. Try that with Hunter or Charles Barkley and you could be on your way to the Medical Center. I wouldn’t wish anything serious just a 48 hour observation and safely back to Morgantown which is known as a party town at the downtown strip. Sounds familiar somehow,
On our way to UCF and remembering we are two and three in our last five games. Need a win against a good offensive team.
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You are welcome! Ha.
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@dylans 20-14 in the year of 2024 and a losing record in big 12 play but yeah keep thinking it is humorous
We are becoming Indiana right before your eyes but you won’t see it until it’s too late - suit yourself
Hunter hasn’t ever won anywhere he’s been and now I can see why because he can’t defend, block shots or board anything outside his 2 inch vert
Mayo turns it over but he boards better than our 4 man and has taken to it because he has a longer leash. Took Bill a few games to figure this out
If you are a transfer that comes here and doesn’t play D according to Bills trash standard (see our ratings for the last 7 years) than you get the quick hook and no leash
Offense wins in todays basketball and Bill’s methods on both sides of the ball suck
Dude wants to play 3 bigs…can’t be more disconnected from todays game and reality than that even if it was in jest……he’s more apt to do that vs 4 guards around Bidunga
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Roll the core 3 and every dumb KU fan in his moms basement said “yeah that won’t work” - Bill - “I’m smarter than you I’ll prove it” - gonna result in 3 straight 2nd round losses and 5/7 years with multiple blowouts of 25-35 points in the ncaa tourney and more talk or “we uh uh gotta get more athletic and longer” #leveluphellnoleveldowndumb@$$
Bills wrong but he values crap that doesn’t translate to the highest level of basketball
There’s a reason why we get down and then start to fastbreak and go figure we come back
Bill wants no easy baskets yet gives up dunk after dunk as guards hammer hunter on the pick and roll. He’s going against his own principles but is too stubborn ane sawft to change
Same when we throw it inside and Hunter has the ball STICK and NO ONE CUTS OR MOVES!!! Trash 1980’s offense
Bill slows the game down and limits possessions which has been proven how you keep good teams in games as they want to limit possessions….common practice for any sport when you aren’t as talented and can’t score with another team.
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Yesterday and the two road games are just proof we need to temper expectations way back from what we’ve become spoiled with under Self. This group has taken a step back even from last years struggles. The offense doesn’t look like it can compete, guys don’t make shots they should and the way we generate offense is predictable and very easy to scheme against.
We lost to a team at home that was down 2 key starters. Yikes
I’m not sure a team has been further away from the standard then this group looks.
Zeke and Flory were real bright spots. We don’t run enough offense through Zeke and Flory showed that he really can impact the game when he’s on. Most impressive was watching him defend on the perimeter at that size, he’s got a chance to be special.
Ball screen defense was exposed in a bad way. I can’t understand why they think hunter 30 feet from the basket is a good option. There’s tons of film proving otherwise. Drop coverage seems like something to explore.
Yesterday was about as bad as I’ve ever seen at home win/lose. Not good. Maybe in February this group will figure it out.
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I am actually for real beginning to think , these kids coming in from the portal , Rylan , AJ , not that long ago Joe Y-- - when they come in Bill just scares the crap out of them, shell shock, he has to loosen up some, These kids if they make a mistake they are out- - that’s how Bill looking at it, gets these kids so focused and tight they are afraid and over, think so worried about making a mistake and getting yanked They can feel Coach glaring at them like a Vulture just waiting it seems, they play scared shitless. I think Bill needs to relax some, the kid makes a mistake , let him play through it, put it in the past and go on let him play through - He already knows he made the mistake, he is getting on himself already, but right now they make the mistake and it becomes for him WELP i’M DONE look over see Coach’s face bright crimson red-- that destroys a kids self esteem confidence more then anything. Just let it go play that the mistake not become Two mistakes.
We need to loosen the reins and let these guys go - let them run. Anybody remember how Roy would have us running up , up tempo so much go - -go- -go. -You think I’m blowing smoke out my ass? - -Looked to me like in the Game Joe sure wasn’t feeling that heat like when he was here.— Drained the two three’s he took, stole the ball-- relaxed. Didn’t have to worry about the lightning hook if he made a mistake -I’m tellin you, you got to just let them play free
