Bye Bye Ernest
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Im assuming we will hear Zuby is coming back.
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@wissox said in Bye Bye Ernest:
I hate this crap. And if Hunter goes down with an injury at some point weâre basically screwed. Weâve become Kentucky with a bunch of unknowns/sort of knowns.
agree. World we livin in now. Most of P5 going through the same. I definitely feel as though this year has broken something that will never return.
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Even crazier is there was a good deal of optimism Udeh was returning as of last night and now heâs gone.
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@approxinfinity said in Bye Bye Ernest:
Im assuming we will hear Zuby is coming back.
I donât think so, rumor is Zuby/Udeh were told they would be playing behind KJ.
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Quit selling t-shirts, who wants to buy a one yr guy shirt?
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I believe Iâve bought all the merch Iâll be buying for the forseeable future with this. I got Och/Dave/CB and then Juan, Wilson & KJ. Iâm done.
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@nuleafjhawk said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@Eric-san If I may be so bold - the portal SH*T needs to be stopped. Put an end to it.
ya this is getting pretty sad - -BS - -just stop recruiting High School players
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@BeddieKU23 If thatâs true it answers all the lineup Questions weâve had. KJ wonât start at the 4 and was going to backup Hunter.
Juan
Morris - Elmarko
Timberlake - Adamâs
Mgbako - Adamâs
Hunter - KJ
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@kuballin10 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
This sucksâŚ.6-11 could go up and get it. Was perfect guy to change how we play defensively when Hunter needed a breather
I donât like it - - I donât like this s - - - one bit
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(https://247sports.com/player/juslin-bodo-46134585/)
Go get juslin bodo bill, gotta replace that size
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@jayballer67 I donât disagree
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@wissox said in Bye Bye Ernest:
I hate this crap. And if Hunter goes down with an injury at some point weâre basically screwed. Weâve become Kentucky with a bunch of unknowns/sort of knowns.
ya we are left with Hunter - -no depth at the 5 now - -and yet I donât blame Udeh or Zuby a bit
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@jayballer67 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@wissox said in Bye Bye Ernest:
I hate this crap. And if Hunter goes down with an injury at some point weâre basically screwed. Weâve become Kentucky with a bunch of unknowns/sort of knowns.
ya we are left with Hunter - -no depth at the 5 now - -and yet I donât blame Udeh or Zuby a bit
We have 6â6 KJ still.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@wissox said in Bye Bye Ernest:
I hate this crap. And if Hunter goes down with an injury at some point weâre basically screwed. Weâve become Kentucky with a bunch of unknowns/sort of knowns.
agree. World we livin in now. Most of P5 going through the same. I definitely feel as though this year has broken something that will never return.
itâs a sad day at the phog
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@jayballer67 trying to have our cake and eat it to.
Hunter > udeh & zuby
Kids want to play now canât blame them
Bill wants best players now canât blame him
We want to build the best team every year and a mcdâs guy isnât sold on playing 10 minutes a game his sophomore year i get it.
If Bill said you are third behind Hunter and KJ for minutes I get why guys are transferring
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@BeddieKU23 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@jayballer67 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@wissox said in Bye Bye Ernest:
I hate this crap. And if Hunter goes down with an injury at some point weâre basically screwed. Weâve become Kentucky with a bunch of unknowns/sort of knowns.
ya we are left with Hunter - -no depth at the 5 now - -and yet I donât blame Udeh or Zuby a bit
We have 6â6 KJ still.
and remember one of the reasons we got our ass beat on the boards so bad - KJ good player but doesnât board/ and or canât. He gives all he is got but to undersized at the 5
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Grant Nelson come on down
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Juan - Morris - Mgbako/Timberlake - Nelson - Hunter
Haha not sure thatâs fair
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@kuballin10 weâre going to shoot our shot, no doubt about it.
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@kuballin10 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@jayballer67 trying to have our cake and eat it to.
Hunter > udeh & zuby
Kids want to play now canât blame them
Bill wants best players now canât blame him
We want to build the best team every year and a mcdâs guy isnât sold on playing 10 minutes a game his sophomore year i get it.
If Bill said you are third behind Hunter and KJ for minutes I get why guys are transferring
just comes a time when as a staff you have to say enough. - We got Hunter and yes even hopefully Mgbako but dam like you said I donât blame Udeh & Zuby â whateve happened to development of players- -just down the crapper. I think having to give some 2nd thought to what the portal is doing to College Basketball. - no loyalty-- letâs just ban screw recruitemneet of High School players.
That was one of the big thigs I liked about Bill his developing of players but this is BS
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@kuballin10 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
Juan - Morris - Mgbako/Timberlake - Nelson - Hunter
Haha not sure thatâs fair
Donât count your eggs just yet on Mgbako - from what Iâm hearing today
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@jayballer67 nah weâre as solid as can be
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@jayballer67 nah weâre as solid as can be
Hope your right big guy - - I trust you, i dunno just kind of frustrated about things. - Ya guess for sure itâs all came down to win , win , win. Although w have won , won , won , previously with the way Bill Recruited looks like he just has said - -screw that - -I Can see Hunter the most but I think we were good with Hunter and others should of called it a day. - Went with our remaining players we would be good
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So now we have THREE open Scholis right ? - - Dam Kyle should of stayed
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@Eric-san said in Bye Bye Ernest:
Canât say I saw this coming. Jalen Wilson might be the last legacy player we see at KU.
Dejuan and KJ
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Biggest mistake of his life IMO, if him and Zuby go some place where they can play right away it wonât be power 5. They have probably played their last NCAA tournament game if they ainât willing to go to a program and develop.
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It will be interesting to see how much playing time Ernest & Zuby get at new schools. If they sit for a year, whatâs the point? If not, good for them.
Also, hopefully the new schools actually pay their NIL money. Lots of rumors about non-payment of NIL.
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I wonder if either would stay if HD only had 1 year of eligibility.
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With the roster composition we had, KJ made too much sense at the 4 due toba lack of Natura 3/4âs on the roster. KJ at the 4 also wouldâve allowed Self to bring back elements of the hi-low because KJ and Hunter would have been a great combo for it. We also know Self isnât opposed to playing KJ at the 4 as there were times last year KJ and Udeh were on the floor together.
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@jayballer67 Development of players isnât down the crapper. Itâs players wanting to play now.
Guarantee Bill wanted Udeh here and there is NO Chance he was pushed out.
Udeh wants to go somewhere and play now rather than develop here.
I get it and honestly nothing replaces in game reps/development
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@kjayhawks said in Bye Bye Ernest:
Biggest mistake of his life IMO, if him and Zuby go some place where they can play right away it wonât be power 5. They have probably played their last NCAA tournament game if they ainât willing to go to a program and develop.
Zubyâs list of schools heâs visiting starting today is Villanova, St. Johnâs, TCU and San Diego St. Heâll be a major program in a system that plays to his strengths as all have defensive minded coaches and the one school on that list thatâs a mid-major is coming off a Final Four appearance. All 4 of those schools are places he will either start or be the first big off the bench and be a significant contributor.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 They played together minimally.
Reading the boards it seems that Bill wants shooters around Juan and Hunter. That isnât kj.
KJ will be the backup 5 and change of pace guy.
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Well hopefully we can find another quality big looking for a spot now , getting late in the game
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@jayballer67 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
Well hopefully we can find another quality big looking for a spot now , getting late in the game
Well there are two pretty goods one out there whoâd be perfect⌠Udeh and Zuby. Seriously, who would be better than either of those guys?
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Seeing the same thing I have been thinking now and saying. Read from other people I am just really thinking/ how this whole thing plays out in the future. Others also saying and I just have a feeling this might have some effect in the future-- future recruits how is this going to effect Bills future recruitment with HS players. - I truly feel this just MIGHT come back and bit him right square in the ass.
These guys gonna have a whole different look/approach about how they feel about Coach- -well actually might be the parents looking at Coach differently , recruit my kid and talk about how they are gonna be a fixture in the program and then not even get the chance to prove that they are that fixture - - being recruited over - not a good look. - you can snicker, laugh deny whatever but it could happen- it could VREY EASILY happen. - like another here said no need to try and get to know players anymore cause they are not going to be here long enough.
I can rmembe a time not that long ago when fans were hollering at higher ranked kids - saying they donât stay long enough to care about - how the players werenât even un packing their suit cases , how it was hard to connect with them and how the kid couldnât be invested in the program when they one and done - - - -WELL hard for a player to connect when they are here for a year- -a kid you know that would be a three - -four yr guy that develops - example Doke - -McCormack - -Och how they progressed got bette through the years - -I just think could have some implicatins on down the line
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@DanR said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@jayballer67 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
Well hopefully we can find another quality big looking for a spot now , getting late in the game
Well there are two pretty goods one out there whoâd be perfect⌠Udeh and Zuby. Seriously, who would be better than either of those guys?
exactly right would love either-- unfortunate for us - -Doke has no more time lol - -Zuby sure not coming back & I donât blame him⌠OH i got it I go the perfect back up 5-- shoot why didnât I think of it sooner.- -Surely there is a way we could get ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO somehow from MITCH LIGHTFOOT - -ya thatâs it lol - -Coach get on the Phone see if MITCh wants to play years 7 & 8 lol
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If the roster turns over again next year, really whatâs the point of college sports? I just donât care about these transfer guys. They barely seem like Jayhawks. No tradition or lineage.
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Yuck - bad news. Is there a chance this was just a hedge in case that last spot was going to get filled by another big? Wasnât time running out to get your name into the portal? Zuby specifically said he wouldnât rule out returning to KU. Udeh was the perfect fit, would have gotten plenty of minutes for a typical sophmore big at KU and could develop under a HOF coach, Elite program, be the likely favorite for a championship, collect a premium NIL compared to most places, etc. Iâm very surprised by this one.
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@FarmerJayhawk I know I could look it up but who is Grant Nelson? Is he a candidate to come?
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So many excellent points made by many on here. How many times have we wished a player had developed into what we originally pegged their potential to be, but failed to live up to. Getting so hyped and caring so much about the eventually busts they become. Instead coach can go get the players he knows have developed those aspects of their game with big time college playing experience. Nothing like Kentucky bringing in overhyped freshmen with no college experience or college developed bodies and stamina. The plus I see is Kansas wonât have down years anymore. No more wondering and waiting for a window to have a great team. Each coming year will be National Champions or bust. How painful has it been going into a year knowing the team has a glaring weakness that inevitably will result in an early tourney ouster.
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A âdown yearâ for Kansas is what, a 4 seed? lol We sure are spoiled.
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So now itâs time to say itâs a dam good thing we get to play games this summer. a time so ALL these ne guys get a chance to meet their new team mates, and try to get some kind of chemistry going, you can have all the talent in the world but if players not bonded or have a feel for his team mate then what good does it do to have all that talent - When will e gon play I know summer but what is it like Jike August or around there ?
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@madmax said in Bye Bye Ernest:
The plus I see is Kansas wonât have down years anymore. No more wondering and waiting for a window to have a great team. Each coming year will be National Champions or bust. How painful has it been going into a year knowing the team has a glaring weakness that inevitably will result in an early tourney ouster.
What proof do we have that Coach Self can navigate this many new guys? The key to his success has always been guys who have been in his system a few years. Self is EXTREMELY difficult to deal with for first year guys. Look how many freshman canât deal with him. Look how Remi had issues for a lot of his one year. Itâs always worked because it was a weeding out process that led to every year having a mentally strong team filled with guys who withstood it all.
People are looking at all the incoming guys and assuming they will all be great. Selfâs history proves that about 75% of newcomers will either struggle with his demands and/or wonât earn his trust enough to garner playing time. On top of that we now have only TWO guys left to help the new guys navigate it.
Of course itâs possible Self truly has softened. I just donât believe it.
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Oh man. Sad to hear this in so many ways.
Both seemed to be in berserker mode on the court, but I thought both Zuby and Ernest had great potential. How often are bigs amazing in their first year?
This new portal / NIL world is difficult for us consumers to adjust to. Is it sustainable year after year?
I canât blame Self for wanting to rework the roster. It wasnât ideal last season, but I was at least pleased with the long term bigs we had, or thought we had.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Bye Bye Ernest:
Another casualty to the portal. No use anymore getting attached to kids
OUCH. Oh well, I wish him well at his future location.
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I get it. I donât like it, but I get it.
Heâs going to tear it up somewhere. Hopefully not against us.
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Also, the general consensus is that this hurts us down the road. Which is true, butâŚ
This also hurts us immediately.
The scout team takes a huge hit. This is a big experiment because itâs hard to quantify the value of the scout team. However, history suggests that the best Bill Self teams consistently have had outstanding scout teams. For this team to do great things, they will not have that benefit.
Without some of the guys who transfered, our scout team is not going to be able to push the starters in the same way. Ernest and Zuby had skill and size that would test Hunter and would resemble the kind of competition he would likely face.
I donât know if this is a great analogy, but it seems like it would be like getting a great car and a great driver at the expense of experienced crew members⌠And generally when you compete at the highest level, the winning difference is not just about the driver and the car. (I donât know much about racing so, maybe this is a terrible comparison⌠but hopefully it gets the point across that the guys that donât get the limelight also contribute significantly.)
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@BigBad great points, not saying youâre wrong. It might take another couple years for someone like Udeh to develope the skills Hunter already has and has proven to be able to demonstrate against P5 âBig 10â competition. He is going to make the game so much easier for everyone on the court around him. 40% from 3 threat that can back his man down from the high post, and vision to find the open shooter/cutter. Someone like Timberlake 40%+ proven sharp shooter who doesnât wilt or shy away from taking the big shots. Morris is probably the most explosive athletic guard Self has had including Dotson in years, with plenty of Big-12 experience. Probably would have averaged impressive #'s has he not been stuck behind all those returning stars on the perimeter for Texas. Guarding KU is going to be a match-up nightmare for opposing teams. Canât say that about last yearâs team or even the NC team.
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@BigBad said in Bye Bye Ernest:
@madmax said in Bye Bye Ernest:
The plus I see is Kansas wonât have down years anymore. No more wondering and waiting for a window to have a great team. Each coming year will be National Champions or bust. How painful has it been going into a year knowing the team has a glaring weakness that inevitably will result in an early tourney ouster.
What proof do we have that Coach Self can navigate this many new guys? The key to his success has always been guys who have been in his system a few years. Self is EXTREMELY difficult to deal with for first year guys. Look how many freshman canât deal with him. Look how Remi had issues for a lot of his one year. Itâs always worked because it was a weeding out process that led to every year having a mentally strong team filled with guys who withstood it all.
People are looking at all the incoming guys and assuming they will all be great. Selfâs history proves that about 75% of newcomers will either struggle with his demands and/or wonât earn his trust enough to garner playing time. On top of that we now have only TWO guys left to help the new guys navigate it.
Of course itâs possible Self truly has softened. I just donât believe it.
So, explain McCullar to me.
