Who would ever replace Self?
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@cragarhawk said in Who would ever replace Self?:
Nobody thinks it would be a good idea to have a guy like Case taking first hand tutelage from CS be kind of a coach in waiting?
I like Case but if he is the plan I hope he would get some time as HC at another school first.
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@BShark ya I hadn’t really thought of it like that. Good point
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I see the point above too… having a KU alum is terrific if it’s a slam dunk hire and you get a CS or someone that can become that in a lil time. Because we have this tradition of not having a revolving door on the program coaching wise(which I love). But if it doesn’t work, you don’t wanna be stuck with them for years too long over not wanting to fire an alumni
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@FarmerJayhawk we can’t turn the keys over to AFH to somebody who doesn’t love our place like we do! Self always says he’s blessed or lucky to be the caretaker of this historic place.
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@Crimsonorblue22 we haven’t hired a KU grad since Dick Harp, so no reason to force it
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Kansas head coach Jerome Tang
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Kansas head coach Scott Drew
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Kansas head coach CHRIS BEARD
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@FarmerJayhawk there’s a new show, “Farmer wants a wife”. City ladies head to the country looking for a farmer for a hubby, is it you? Wed on fox.
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@BShark no on all of them!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Who would ever replace Self?:
@BShark no on all of them!
Nasty work from me there. I almost kept going but figured that was naughty enough lol.
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At least u left out gregggg
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@Crimsonorblue22 hehe I think that would make my current lady friend angry
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@FarmerJayhawk good to hear though! You back in KS yet? Waiting til end of school yr?
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Top tier winners who seem to be decent people, like Self, Roy, Dean Smith, Jay Wright, Billy Donovan, Mark Few, Bennett maybe… those coaches who players would run through fire for are rare as hell. Crazy lucky to have a few like that at KU.
There are lots of good guy coaches who aren’t winners, and lots of winners who are a-holes. These coaches are all salesmen, so it’s hard to tell from their pitch, but the people they leave behind can let you know who is a decent dude.
It’s interesting to follow the upstart guys that get the big gig after a run in the tourney with a mid major. Like Self did at Illinois after Tulsa. Shaheen Holloway might be a guy like that. See how he does at Seton Hall, then nab a guy like that. If his current team howls with anger, then that’s the guy. Did anyone care at VCU when Shaka left for Texas? I doubt it.
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What about Aaron Miles?
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@Crimsonorblue22 my current lease expires at the end of July so I’ll head back then!
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@drgnslayr said in Who would ever replace Self?:
@Jethro said in Who would ever replace Self?:
I don’t want a cheater like Tang: https://twitter.com/Sully20201/status/1632821004572688385/photo/1
He’s innocent unless in one of those calls he said, “Are we cool?”
lol
He’s dirty, a cheater, and a liar. Any success he has is tainted. He buys players.
Oh wait. That’s what THEY say when reminded of our complete dominance.
One angle to explore concerning Tang and COY. He was able to make the biggest numbskull fans in history to stop saying “F KU” every time Sandstorm came on. The Pied Piper has nothing on him.
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@BShark said in Who would ever replace Self?:
@cragarhawk said in Who would ever replace Self?:
Nobody thinks it would be a good idea to have a guy like Case taking first hand tutelage from CS be kind of a coach in waiting?
I like Case but if he is the plan I hope he would get some time as HC at another school first.
That shouldn’t be a prerequisite though. Roy came here with no head coaching experience and that turned out fine. Obviously that’s not a guarantee of success, but a lack of head coaching experience shouldn’t preclude someone either if they have other qualities.
There’s not much out there now in regards to coaches with KU ties, either as a former player or coach out there. In the NBA, Jacque Vaughn and Aaron Miles are the possible options, Rex Walter’s is in the NBA now, but struggled as a college coach at San Francisco. At the college level, Jeremy Case and Evan Manning are the only possible options at this point. Tad Boyle and Jerod Haase haven’t done enough in their current jobs to merit any serious consideration.
I’d say you find someone who has ties to any of the bluebloods because those are the people who are going to understand the pressure of coaching at a place like Kansas. That’s part of why Roy worked despite having zero ties to KU prior. He came from a blue blood and understood what it takes to be successful at a blue blood program.
I would look for someone who has ties to a modern day blue blood like KU, UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Arizona, UConn, Villanova, or another program that’s had a lot of success over the 30 or so years.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 most of them that were good retired last yr. old farts. New blue bloods stink, plus nova. Cal, Few?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Who would ever replace Self?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 most of them that were good retired last yr. old farts. New blue bloods stink, plus nova. Cal, Few?
I’m not talking about Few, Wright or those coaches specifically, but people from their trees that have connections to those schools. Tommy Lloyd for example from the Mark Few tree. Scott Drew is another person also starting to develop an impressive coaching tree as well. This is why someone like Evan Manning could be an option someday. Played here and currently an assistant under Mark Few at Gonzaga. That’s what I mean by connections to a current blue blood program.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 i guess I’d rather they be from our tree. Just me.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Who would ever replace Self?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 i guess I’d rather they be from our tree. Just me.
There’s not much on the KU tree right now to think that’s a realistic option at this point.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 well, maybe 5-6 yrs down the rd. I wasn’t thinking about Evan. Still like Miles, Jacque, Case seems to be doing really well.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t see Miles or Vaughn going down to the college level. I don’t really care that much if Self’s successor has KU ties or not, I want a coach who who’s going to win at a high level at KU.
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Jacque just got the Nets job with a new contract so he is out.
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@BShark said in Who would ever replace Self?:
Kansas head coach Scott Drew
I’d vomit myself to sleep but he’s the one coach that’s elevated his program to KU’s level in the conference. His x’s and o’s will never compare but he recruits, develops and wins. He’s basically the only name I would even think of currently.
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Self at the end of the day probably can steer the AD in the direction he needs to go when it’s time. I’m sure Self will have the best guess who could lead them
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@BShark @approxinfinity - Ban this dude forever please.
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@BeddieKU23 I would quit watching. Just like I did when his Drew’s twin brother was at WSU.
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Guess it won’t be Calipari -
Lol… so many UK fans thought they had it made signing him into perpetuity… now they feel like suckers!
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@BeddieKU23 the whiniest coach in our league? Brings a tape to show Fran we get the calls in AFH? That guy? He has the best backcourt in America. What would Self do with that? I think he’s slipped a lil since Tang left, the
’s. Remember when he stuck his head in our locker room and Svi said, “Who’s that?” Remember when he took his team off the court pregame so they wouldn’t watch our historic pregame video? He’s a wuss! 
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@Crimsonorblue22 I agree he’s a wuss and a dweeb but do think he should get a little credit for developing that “best backcourt in America.” The guards he’s had come through there all get better over time and develop skills that make them hard to guard. Some of that has to be coaching and the system.
I think about it like this, Harris would probably never make it off the bench there in 4 years but a guy like Elijah Johnson or Malik Newman would have been an absolute STAR. Obviously those guys had success at KU as well but would have been HUGE at Baylor. Just my two cents.
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@benshawks08 no!
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He’s cringe for sure, I have zero love for him personally but I do respect what he has done and I think we are little blinded to how good he’s been since they are a conference foe and we know the ins and outs. Basically everything Drew does on the court rivals the best of the rest out there. Won a championship, develops talent, gets talent in the door. If he never had to talk the media or deal with his way’s I’d be all for it. I’m surprised his name wasn’t mentioned since he is the coach KU has struggled the most to beat in the last 5 yrs. I’ll end with, he’s a creepy dude
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This is an event that is 10 to 15 years away. The guy that replaces Self might not be coaching right now.
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@Jethro that would be wonderful!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Drew reeks of douchiness and small dog syndrome. But he deserves credit for what he has done in Waco. People forget that program was nearly cancelled before he was hired due to teammates killing each over drugs. That place was really as low as you could go before him.
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That guy just looks like he must have had some connection to the Branch Davidians. I’m a no vote.
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I think Drew has come a long ways over the years. I used to slam him and call him the “Rolex coach” saying he would start a recruit visit with a handshake while sliding on a Rolex.
I’ve watched a lot of interviews with him over the years. The guy showed some humility and was open-minded to improving his knowledge of the game. Add that in with the Baylor administration making a big “spiritual commitment” to all their programs and it does add up to success.
We can’t say Baylor is just a flash in the pan anymore. Their environment is built for success. For that, I give Drew his hard-earned kudos!
I do wonder if they dip somewhat from losing Tang because I think he is popular with players.
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What about Norm Roberts?
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Any thoughts from those of you who follow these things, about this guy from Seth Davis’s list of coaches likely to move to new jobs this year:
Pat Kelsey, head coach, Charleston. In just his second season with the Cougars, Kelsey has led the team to a 31-3 record, the CAA regular season and conference titles, and the program’s first AP Top 25 ranking in 13 years. But he’s no one-hit-wonder. Kelsey is a Skip Prosser disciple who was an assistant coach at Wake Forest and Xavier, and as the head coach at Winthrop, he led the Eagles to three league titles in his last five years. He coaches an exciting, up-tempo style and has a high-octane personality, which would be appealing to a program in need of energy.
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Definitely going to get attention after their season is over. They look like a team that can win a game next week
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@kjayhawks said in Who would ever replace Self?:
What about Norm Roberts?
ya , why not - -Knows Coach Self’s system, so no change there, Been with Ku as long as Coach - -seems like continuity wouldn’t been broken. - We could do worse
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I’m probably forgetting someone, but would Haase be amongst the best KU guys to hire today? Personally I’d rather they looked for the next rising star, but I suppose that could be Jeremy Case in 10 years as well.
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@dylans There’s not really anyone with ties to KU that are impressive enough at this point to merit interest for a job the caliber of Kansas.
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@BShark LMAO I’ve never seen a better use of this meme.
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@dylans said in Who would ever replace Self?:
I’m probably forgetting someone, but would Haase be amongst the best KU guys to hire today? Personally I’d rather they looked for the next rising star, but I suppose that could be Jeremy Case in 10 years as well.
Let’s get Haase at K-State. After Tang leaves, let’s you and me start a hire Haase campaign. Those dumb rednecks won’t know any better. We’ll go on their boards, and pretend we’re real fans.
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@Jethro lol. I don’t want a KU guy hired. I think would be a mistake - none are any good and they’d be hard to fire.
I’m still a Brad Stevens fan.
