10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN
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@Eric-san said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
Please no alley oop attempts today
I think the alley oop is pretty much the only way our bigs are going to score. So, I see that sticking around until Udeh and Co. mature into post threats.
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@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@BeddieKU23 It really delivered. I didn’t want the Badgers to be embarrassed. I wanted KU to win but would’ve been happy for a big win for UW. Badger fans by and large expected to get rocked so they’re quite content actually. Maybe relief because they scored 43 in the 2nd half (same as the previous game total!) rediscovering some offense.
Putting the KU hat back on FT shooting and some bad turnovers really fueled the comeback. I’m not sure why Zuby and Udeh didn’t play. Maybe Norm should be the head coach!
People on the other side were complaining about the two flop calls against UW but thought Jalen should have been whistled for it when Wahl drove on him late in the game. I told them Bill Self would have killed Jalen if he had tried to flop to draw a charge and instead just gave up an easy layup like that, especially in crunch time. I think Jalen got his feet tangled.
As for the two Wisconsin flops it’s a really dumb rule. Tell the refs not to reward flops by calling fouls when a kid flops. If a kid wants to look dumb and fall while shooting a three then let him look dumb.
Really looking forward to tomorrow night. Should be a fun game and KU should prevail over Rocky Top by a few.
Wisconsin fans should be happy KU fell apart and they took advantage of that. Some of it was just shot making which Wisconsin does have, just not consistent but a majority of their offense came off some really poor offense from KU. Kudos to them for fighting all the way to the end.
On the replay shown of that layup where Jalen fell, it looked like he slipped and Wahl used his leverage to get him to go down as he was slipping because one of Jalens legs folds as he falls, there was no flop there but seeing it live I could see where it would be questioned since that’s a popular spot to sell a foul. At first I thought it was a foul on Wahl because Jalen is not going down without someone drilling him. We saw Jalen stood up a driver several times in this game, he is no flopper. Bobby also made a really poor dig and help attempt there. Good thing he made up for it.
I get the frustration over the flop calls but they were both correct. Both were blatant attempts to sell a foul that didn’t occur, both had the opportunity to land on their feet and instead chose to fall. Great to see the emphasis on this but it’s going to take time for players to adjust to bad habits and I’m sure KU will be on the receiving end of a few. I expect the rule to be overcalled since it’s something we are clearly seeing as a point of emphasis.
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Watching replay, big thing noticed is how Self abandoned a lot of motion sets to get the ball moving side to side. He was forced to play starters too many minutes and they were gassed. He let Jalen be the guy that got the ball in position to score on almost every possession. This was all Self. It worked out but we sacrificed a lot in that 2nd half/OT because his bench wasn’t reliable. I think Wisconsin did a great job in their defensive scheme limiting easy ball movement and how they guarded Dick was another noticeable adjustment. They were also double and trippling Jalen at times. All wrinkles we have to be prepared to see from other teams.
It was noticeable how the crowd was impacting KU when they cut the lead to a 1 possession game. Some noticeable frustration from even Juan out there. He was clearly upset about how Wisconsin got back into this game. The refs made sure of that when calling him for multiple phantom fouls
Very concerned tonight about starters getting gassed tonight. This game is really going to need the bench to produce something. Tennessee has the 2nd ranked defense
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@BeddieKU23 We haven’t come close to playing a good game yet. I hope this isn’t going to be Lump City tonite.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
Watching replay, big thing noticed is how Self abandoned a lot of motion sets to get the ball moving side to side. He was forced to play starters too many minutes and they were gassed. He let Jalen be the guy that got the ball in position to score on almost every possession. This was all Self. It worked out but we sacrificed a lot in that 2nd half/OT because his bench wasn’t reliable. I think Wisconsin did a great job in their defensive scheme limiting easy ball movement and how they guarded Dick was another noticeable adjustment. They were also double and trippling Jalen at times. All wrinkles we have to be prepared to see from other teams.
It was noticeable how the crowd was impacting KU when they cut the lead to a 1 possession game. Some noticeable frustration from even Juan out there. He was clearly upset about how Wisconsin got back into this game. The refs made sure of that when calling him for multiple phantom fouls
Very concerned tonight about starters getting gassed tonight. This game is really going to need the bench to produce something. Tennessee has the 2nd ranked defense
I was really surpised that our freshmen bigs didn’t get a few minutes each aginst Wisc. We need our bigs against Tenessee since it plays a couple of seven footer guys. I just can’t see KJ being able to defend the Tenessee bigs.
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@BeddieKU23 Part of it with the guys being tired is back to back games but we are going to have to get something out of the bench eventually.
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That court was slick. They use the wrong cleansing/prep product on the floor. Hope no one gets hurt this evening.
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Haven’t we played against a couple of 7 ft’ers somewhere before? Can Tennessee adjust to our speed?
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Maybe Self was saving them for the Vols. Maybe…
I’m not sure how effective they can be. The officiating has been weird. Not saying it has been against KU because we got some positive calls, too… but they’ve been calling weird fouls while missing others.
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Will be interesting to see if Self still has Rick Barnes number?
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@COHawk said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
Haven’t we played against a couple of 7 ft’ers somewhere before? Can Tennessee adjust to our speed?
Yes, Duke had 5 guys 6’11" and taller. Even N. Dakota had taller centers than KU. So, we’ve done well against taller teams so far.
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I don’t know the reasoning behind not playing either freshman big if you expect them to be a factor today. Those kids need game reps not bench time if they are going to factor into this team. Obviously self sent a message to them.
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@drgnslayr said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
That court was slick. They use the wrong cleansing/prep product on the floor. Hope no one gets hurt this evening.
Over the years that court has been known to be humid. Not a traditional venue at all
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@BeddieKU23 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@BeddieKU23 It really delivered. I didn’t want the Badgers to be embarrassed. I wanted KU to win but would’ve been happy for a big win for UW. Badger fans by and large expected to get rocked so they’re quite content actually. Maybe relief because they scored 43 in the 2nd half (same as the previous game total!) rediscovering some offense.
Putting the KU hat back on FT shooting and some bad turnovers really fueled the comeback. I’m not sure why Zuby and Udeh didn’t play. Maybe Norm should be the head coach!
People on the other side were complaining about the two flop calls against UW but thought Jalen should have been whistled for it when Wahl drove on him late in the game. I told them Bill Self would have killed Jalen if he had tried to flop to draw a charge and instead just gave up an easy layup like that, especially in crunch time. I think Jalen got his feet tangled.
I get the frustration over the flop calls but they were both correct. Both were blatant attempts to sell a foul that didn’t occur, both had the opportunity to land on their feet and instead chose to fall. Great to see the emphasis on this but it’s going to take time for players to adjust to bad habits and I’m sure KU will be on the receiving end of a few. I expect the rule to be overcalled since it’s something we are clearly seeing as a point of emphasis.
What do you think of the rule though? Now you’re asking referees to in the moment interpret a kids intent. That’s a lot to ask and it will hurt the kid who truly did fall through whatever reason other than trying to draw a foul.
Since the game was relatively high profile, those two boys may have earned a reputation as floppers and will not be given the benefit of the doubt in the future.
The flop rule was made because kids obviously have been trying to draw charges, or on the 3’s like yesterday. It’s almost like the NCAA decided to penalize kids for embarrassing referees who don’t know how to make a call. Of course it’s the NCAA so I put nothing past them to enact something stupid.
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I’m fine with the rule but as with any emphasis, consistent application of the rule I think will suffer at times as we have often seen. It shouldn’t have taken until 2022 to see this behavior being dealt with. So far I haven’t seen it called with any real controversy or impact to the game. I’m waiting for when we have end of game situations where that rule will really become grey area.
Overall I think this is certainly another good rule emphasis after they have gone after shooters kicking the leg out to draw contact and have also dealt with defenders falling down in the post without contact. These are habits and coaching changes that must have happen for the better of the game
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The flop I despise the most is the 3 pt shooter who fakes being fouled knowing the outside ref is watching the shooters feet and can be fooled to think contact took place higher up the body. I also remember seeing 3 ball shooters pull the defender on top of them as they fall backwards. Something has to be done to stop the poor sportsmanship of floppin, so like the NBA did many years ago, now it’s a technical foul.
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@stoptheflop Definitely have done so. Think too many worry about the other team without thinking about how they have to make adjustments to stop us. Also, we have rebounded pretty well so far.
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@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.
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@stoptheflop it’s why I can’t stand soccer.
USA vs Wales the Wales guys fall on the ground literally screaming in pain…yellow card comes out and all of the sudden the pop up and start running full speed.
If a guy hits you in the nose then fall over but the whole lebron flop crap is weak. You aren’t playing like a man trying to D up you are playing to persuade an official to give you a call.
I hate flopping in every sport
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@kuballin10 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
I hate flopping in every sport
It really sucks in tennis. Everyone does it in swimming, though. Quite counterproductive in hurdles.
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@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.
So it was the refs that won the game for us? lol…
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Imagine Marcus Smart playing D1 today? lol
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@Jethro said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.
So it was the refs that won the game for us? lol…
Noooooo , SURELY nobody was trying to say the Ref’s influenced the outcome of the game . There isn’t ANYTHING that would favor that type of thinking. - -Let’s see For the game Wisconsin was called for 19 fouls- - ok KU was called for 18 fouls. - - -For the game Wisconsin was 12-19 from the line - - - Ku was 12-21 from the line - - So KU had TWO MORE ATTEMPTS - - two. - - Sook , let’s look at this then - - for the game one way to look at it the Officals felt Wisconsin was guilty of making SIX turnovers - - Those same officials felt KU was guilty of THIRTEEN
So I know that there would be anyone here trying to say that the Officials influenced or cause Wisconsin the win
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@jayballer67 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@Jethro said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.
So it was the refs that won the game for us? lol…
Noooooo , SURELY nobody was trying to say the Ref’s influenced the outcome of the game . There isn’t ANYTHING that would favor that type of thinking. - -Let’s see For the game Wisconsin was called for 19 fouls- - ok KU was called for 18 fouls. - - -For the game Wisconsin was 12-19 from the line - - - Ku was 12-21 from the line - - So KU had TWO MORE ATTEMPTS - - two. - - Sook , let’s look at this then - - for the game one way to look at it the Officals felt Wisconsin was guilty of making SIX turnovers - - Those same officials felt KU was guilty of THIRTEEN
So I know that there would be anyone here trying to say that the Officials influenced or cause Wisconsin the win
He wasn’t saying that. I was ribbing him.
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@Jethro said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@jayballer67 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@Jethro said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:
@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.
So it was the refs that won the game for us? lol…
Noooooo , SURELY nobody was trying to say the Ref’s influenced the outcome of the game . There isn’t ANYTHING that would favor that type of thinking. - -Let’s see For the game Wisconsin was called for 19 fouls- - ok KU was called for 18 fouls. - - -For the game Wisconsin was 12-19 from the line - - - Ku was 12-21 from the line - - So KU had TWO MORE ATTEMPTS - - two. - - Sook , let’s look at this then - - for the game one way to look at it the Officals felt Wisconsin was guilty of making SIX turnovers - - Those same officials felt KU was guilty of THIRTEEN
So I know that there would be anyone here trying to say that the Officials influenced or cause Wisconsin the win
He wasn’t saying that. I was ribbing him.
I’m not talking anyone specif - - just saying cause I’ve heard it and it’s comical – Winners just win
