Post WV game thoughts
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@Marco Why? Are you serious?
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Oh no doubt we need Remy, that’s not even question. So quick legit scoring threat, the one big reason , well actually two reasons we haven’t seen the true Remy is him being hurt and then trying to adjust to new system. Actualy could use Remy stepping up more become more of a threat instead of passing up the shots- w all know he can, but just trying to hard to fit what Bil wants currently
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@Jethro yes, I’m serious. Why do we need Remy?
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@Jethro Apparently there are a lot of rumors on twitter that Remy and Self don’t get along, and that’s why he’s not playing. People are speculating he may leave. I think it’s crap.
Bill got a little testy in the postgame interview today when asked about Remy. “On this particular situation, I actually know a helluva-fucking lot more than — excuse my language — some other people out there.” That’s rare. He usually keeps his cool, and rarely swears in public. I think he’s just fed up with the unfounded rumors.
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@Marco Remy’s a good player. You can’t blame Dave and Julien (before today) on Remy. It’s just coincidence they finally clicked when he sat due to injury. We’re a better team when Remy is healthy. We’ll be even better when he starts scoring more, like Bill has been asking him to.
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@tundrahok said in Post WV game thoughts:
@Marco Remy’s a good player. You can’t blame Dave and Julien (before today) on Remy. It’s just coincidence they finally clicked when he sat due to injury. We’re a better team when Remy is healthy. We’ll be even better when he starts scoring more, like Bill has been asking him to.
Okay, my bad.
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@Marco the game looks a lot easier with 4 true threats to score plus a quality playmaker on the floor at the same time.
Dave made sure wvu had to guard him all game. Och made sure he couldn’t be left alone, and while Braun didn’t score much he did get enough easy looks plus his rep made sure he could be ignored either. When it’s pick your poison and Wilson makes almost all of his shots it just eventually demoralized wvu early in the second half and they played the rest of the game with little heart on the defensive end.
There are a few reasons one could argue KU is better without Remy.
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He’s been replaced in the lineup with Wilson who is a better rebounder and that rebounding can lead to fast break points. I think it’s pretty obvious Wilson today was better than just about anything we’ve seen at Kansas from Remy.
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Team chemistry. Remy is new. The other guys have been playing together longer and when they find the flow like they did in the second half, they just know what the other 4 are going to do so things run more smoothly. This was true both offensively and defensively today as the communication on d was much improved.
Now, do I believe we are better without Remy? Not yet. Remy is a quality offensive player when healthy. He’s shown he can create for himself and others. I’m honestly wondering if he couldn’t be an amazing 6th man ala 08 sherron collins. A difference maker off the bench. A guy that may not start but may very well finish a lot of games. Teams would have to have a totally different game plan when he comes in because he’s different than any other guard we have on the team.
Now sherron played that roll because he was a freshmen pre transfer portal who knew he’d be the man in the next year or two. Remy only has this year and he came to Kansas to make the league and sitting behind Harris when that’s your goal is a tough pill to swallow. And I’m sure of there are people on this site claiming self has ruined Remy and made him worse, you know he’s hearing that from other places too. Maybe even his own head.
So for me, this team is at its best with Remy at his best. The question then is can he get healthy, and how will he handle the possibility of being a 6th man?
Or maybe I’m dumb and as soon as he’s healthy self starts him again. Our offense has looked really good at times with him and Harris on the floor together. I just don’t see Harris losing the starting spot this year and Wilson has made use of remys absence to make the case that he needs to start as well.
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@benshawks08 he won’t accept a 6th man role.
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@Marco said in Post WV game thoughts:
@benshawks08 he won’t accept a 6th man role.
I think it’s reasonable to assume that but I sure can’t say I know one way or the other. It’s why I was curious in the game thread about his demeanor during the game.
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@benshawks08 it wasn’t good.
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@Marco said in Post WV game thoughts:
@Jethro yes, I’m serious. Why do we need Remy?
Remy makes everyone else better on offense, especially Christian Braun. Since Remy got hurt, Braun is only averaging 11.5 ppg, shooting 38.6% from the field, and 28.5% from 3 over tge last 4 games. KU isn’t going to win anything of significance if Braun looks like he did last season on offense which he has since Remy was injured.
Even when Remy isn’t scoring, everyone knows what he’s capable of so you can’t leave him alone to help double others because Remy can go off in a hurry. Remy forces many more 1 on 1 match ups and creates a lot more open perimeter shots because of his driving ability forcing defenses to collapse on him and leaving shooters open in the perimeter.
If KU has any hopes of reaching New Orleans this year, they have to have a healthy Remy back. And considering Self’s post game conference today, I don’t think Remy is going anywhere.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 okay, CB… What about everyone else?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Post WV game thoughts:
@Marco said in Post WV game thoughts:
@Jethro yes, I’m serious. Why do we need Remy?
Remy makes everyone else better on offense, especially Christian Braun. Since Remy got hurt, Braun is only averaging 11.5 ppg, shooting 38.6% from the field, and 28.5% from 3 over tge last 4 games. KU isn’t going to win anything of significance if Braun looks like he did last season on offense which he has since Remy was injured.
Even when Remy isn’t scoring, everyone knows what he’s capable of so you can’t leave him alone to help double others because Remy can go off in a hurry. Remy forces many more 1 on 1 match ups and creates a lot more open perimeter shots because of his driving ability forcing defenses to collapse on him and leaving shooters open in the perimeter.
If KU has any hopes of reaching New Orleans this year, they have to have a healthy Remy back. And considering Self’s post game conference today, I don’t think Remy is going anywhere.
your right Remy - - isn’t going anywhere
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@Marco said in Post WV game thoughts:
@Texas-Hawk-10 okay, CB… What about everyone else?
I actually forgot to factor in the GMU game to Braun’s stats where he was 3-12 from the field which would actually put him at 35.7% FG overall and 30% from 3.
Conference scoring average does usually take a little dip, but KU’s scoring average dropped off a cliff since conferenceplay began. In non-confernce, KU averaged 85.1 ppg in non-confernce including the GMU game without Remy, 86 ppg in games Remy played. In Big 12 play where Remy has played 12 minutes total, KU has averaged 72 ppg (72.8 when adding the GMU ge Remy didn’t play) and only scored 75+ once and that was today.
Was it ever realistic to expect KU to average 86 ppg in Big 12 play? No, but a 14 ppg drop in scoring average is also much more than expected as well. KU would probably be averaging in the upper 70’s at 78-79 ppg in conference play with a fully healthy Remy. KU’s scoring defense though has improved from 66.9 ppg allowed with Remy to 65 ppg allowed without Remy.
Bottom line is KU is much more higher scoring team with Remy than without him and only marginally better defensively without him than with him. A healthy Remy Martin makes KU a better overall team than without him.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 you think so? Good.
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A different perspective…I think we are a better team with Remy. He is a scoring guard and helps spread the floor. And, he can get his own shot. BUT, the key to today’s game was that we stopped trying to feed the post every possession. I would submit that the reason Dave scored more efficiently, and, related to that, got 10 offensive rebounds, is that he was FACING the basket most of the game, not with his BACK to the basket. He is simply not a good back to the basket big man. We ran a play for him the first play of the game, but very few after that. Did he attempt even one of his awful “start 2 ft from the basket, and then put it on the floor and end up with a 6 ft+ fadeaway semi-hook.” I would have to go back and watch the tape, but I believe of his 9 buckets, most came from put backs or drives and dishes. He brings a lot more to the table if he isn’t a primary scoring option.
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@DCHawker said in Post WV game thoughts:
A different perspective…I think we are a better team with Remy. He is a scoring guard and helps spread the floor. And, he can get his own shot. BUT, the key to today’s game was that we stopped trying to feed the post every possession. I would submit that the reason Dave scored more efficiently, and, related to that, got 10 offensive rebounds, is that he was FACING the basket most of the game, not with his BACK to the basket. He is simply not a good back to the basket big man. We ran a play for him the first play of the game, but very few after that. Did he attempt even one of his awful "start 2 ft from the basket, and then put it on the floor and end up with a 6 ft+ fadeaway semi-hook. I would have to go back and watch the tape, but I believe of his 9 buckets, most came from put backs or drives and dishes. He brings a lot more to the table if he isn’t a primary scoring option.
Dave even passed the ball a few times, I saw it!
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@BShark said in Post WV game thoughts:
Dave even passed the ball a few times, I saw it!
Maybe I’m remembering things that never happened but I seem to have the notion in my head that Dave’s a good passer out of the post and decent at avoiding the double team when he’s got his head in the game. Am I wrong?
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@tis4tim Totally not wrong. When he actually decides to pass he is pretty good at it. It’s when he thinks he has to carry the scoring load via 1 on 1/2 plays that we have problems.
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@BShark said in Post WV game thoughts:
@tis4tim Totally not wrong. When he actually decides to pass he is pretty good at it. It’s when he thinks he has to carry the scoring load via 1 on 1/2 plays that we have problems.
I got scared today when he took the inbounds pass and backed down his guy for 5 seconds and then got blocked. Also had a mid range jumper fairly close to that attempt. Was fearful he’d turn into a black hole because he’s done it before. But yes he makes good passes when he decides to.
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@BShark said in Post WV game thoughts:
@tis4tim Totally not wrong. When he actually decides to pass he is pretty good at it. It’s when he thinks he has to carry the scoring load via 1 on 1/2 plays that we have problems.
I’d love to speak to Dave sometime to see how his mind works. He’s got the skills to be a competent starting 5. He’s been great enough times to prove that solid stat lines don’t have to be so sporadic.
Just seems like every game he is mentally starting over from scratch instead of building off previous successes and developing rock solid consistency. Don’t know if it’s a confidence issue or a mindset thing or what but he needs to go into each game with the expectation that today’s result is going to be the norm and not the exception.
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I don’t follow quite as closely as others. I observed game 1 against MSU. Remy zero points and zero shots in first half. Odd I thought. Halftime either coach either told him ok now you can shoot, or whatever, but he torched the Spartans in that 2nd half. It looked like some sort of odd experiment to be honest. Not sure of the reason, purpose or whatever, but I think it was even the first possession he nailed a 3 just like that. I was sold on him watching that half. And have wondered where it’s been. The knee injury makes sense to me and I hope we get this dynamic scoring guard back soon to lead this team to New Orleans.
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I respect everyone’s opinion but have come around (I am fluid), don’t think we need Remy.
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https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article257306702.html
“KU allowed an opponent-adjusted team defensive efficiency of 85.8 points per 100 possessions with McCormack on the court, compared to 99.9 for Lightfoot”
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Also, apparently the 2nd best offensive rebounder in the country according to kenpom.
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Digging into this site some more and it’s interesting.
Has the Juan, Remy, CB, Och, Dave line-up as 2nd best in the country (behind an Illinois line-up). Obviously that line-up hasn’t really played in conference but still it says something.
It tries to account for overall player ratings on offense and defense. So I looked at the rankings across the entire big 12 among players with at least 150 possessions to this point.
The top 3 players you ask? Och, CB, Dave. The next 5!! are Baylor’s starters. Then Dajuan as the 9th best player (haters in shambles) then Bishop of Texas 10th and Remy 11th. Where is the next KU player? JWill all the way down at 58th (I think he will start to rise as he continues to play better). Mitch is 75th and JCole is 80th in what I call the KState player zone because his defensive rating is the 2nd worst in the conference among qualifying players.
Basically all numbers everywhere think KJ is more interesting to play than Mitch. But small sample size for KJ.
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@BShark said in Post WV game thoughts:
Also, apparently the 2nd best offensive rebounder in the country according to kenpom.
Somebody yesterday said Dave’s 10 offensive rebounds were the most for any KU player since Jeff Graves in 2003. Pretty astounding.
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@BShark said in Post WV game thoughts:
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article257306702.html
“KU allowed an opponent-adjusted team defensive efficiency of 85.8 points per 100 possessions with McCormack on the court, compared to 99.9 for Lightfoot”
Great article, thanks. Anybody who is down on Dave should read it.
The gist is that what most of us see in Dave is pretty superficial. That Bayesian index (which I haven’t looked into) suggests our team is better when Dave plays, even before yesterday. Just like Coach Self has been saying.
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I mentioned this earlier, but I think the key difference is that most of Dave’s points came in the flow of the game. We weren’t constantly trying to feed the post. I haven’t gone back and watched the game, but based on the play-by-play, just 2 or 3 of his buckets were post feeds - including the first score of the game. The rest were put backs after an offensive rebounds, interior passes from our guys penetrating, a transition dunk, and one wide open jumper. That’s when Dave is most effective on the offensive end. He is simply an inefficient back to the basket post player. At best, a 50% scorer, who commits too many TOs when trying to score after a feed + the TOs that come with poor entry passes. But, he can be very effective when he is not the primary scoring option. Frees him up to face the basket and go after offensive rebounds.
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Come on now, we’ve seen Dave have good games before and he always follows it up with out-of-sync efforts. I like Dave. When he comes to play, KU is much, much better. But, he isn’t on every game. Let’s get use to it. When Dave’s off, we need a third scorer besides Ochai and Christian. Jalen or Dajuan come on down.
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I think a lot Dave’s success yesterday was all about matchups. West Virginia played a mostly traditionally sized lineup. That meant Dave didn’t have five smalls picking at him the entire game. IMO he felt more comfortable.
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@rockchalkjayhawk he looked more comfortable, wasn’t all robotic acting.
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@stoptheflop said in Post WV game thoughts:
Come on now, we’ve seen Dave have good games before and he always follows it up with out-of-sync efforts. I like Dave. When he comes to play, KU is much, much better. But, he isn’t on every game. Let’s get use to it. When Dave’s off, we need a third scorer besides Ochai and Christian. Jalen or Dajuan come on down.
The point being made is that even when he wasn’t scoring he was still by far our best post player because of defense.
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@tis4tim Dave’s play is impacted by his confidence. When gets it going yesterday’s a great example. When he fumbles the ball he is trying to move before he has caught the ball like a fb receiver. He knows how to have a positive impact and sometimes he pulls it off. I don’t see him regressing.
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Did anyone else leave yesterday’s game with a boosted level of appreciation for Dajuan’s play?
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@BShark said in Post WV game thoughts:
The point being made is that even when he wasn’t scoring he was still by far our best post player because of defense.
And even when he isn’t playing well, his mere presence changes how the other team plays offense. “KU is better with McCormack on the floor.”
Even when he is fumbling around and looking like a doofus, our team is better with him in the game.
“The numbers were already screaming that McCormack was the clear choice to take over starters’ minutes at the 5 spot, even if he can be maddening to watch at times.”
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I still hope Remy recovers and finds a way to help this team. I do think what we showed yesterday was that we have enough skilled players on this team to mold into whatever we need to be. Joseph was huge! KJ brought more energy, too!
What really made the difference for us in this game was our defense. We put more pressure on the ball and it translated into stops and more offense.
I still think we have another gear we are capable of. That next gear makes us a title contender!
We have the pieces to win this whole thing. We also have the pieces to fall flat on our faces. It’s up to this team to step up and bring high energy to games! We actually looked like we were having fun in that second half!
I hope we build on this instead of going back to nap status.
GO HAWKS!
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Yesufu had an extra gear yesterday and made smart plays with the ball. Liked his energy and finding ways to do other things even if the ball didn’t go in the hoop.
Dave looked healthy and motivated. Nothing was sped up. He used his size well creating angles and had active hands on a ton of rebounds. He played like a top 10 big in the country yesterday. We know that’s not going to happen every game or even every week but we certainly do need him to play like that more often then once or twice like we have seen so far. Whatever he did to play like that needs to be bottled up.
Same goes for Jalen Wilson. I have never seen the kid play better. It wasn’t just making shots he changed a good portion of this game with his passing, rebounding and pushing the ball relentlessly. You even saw him defending at a better level then usual. He really looked like he was finally playing for the team and not just trying to force plays to catch up to speed. He has had 2 big games since getting a chance to play a lot of minutes. Seems like coming off the bench for him is not ideal to getting him to play well. Jalen plays like this and this team starts to play to its potential.
Great 2nd half, the best half of basketball for this group at both ends. I was very impressed. Im not going to overreact since we have 2 road games looming but hopefully that win was some serious momentum
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@BeddieKU23 “Nothing was sped up.” Perfect take.
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4 games into the Big-12 war here’s some thoughts on guys trending up, trending down or staying consistent.
Agbaji: Staying consistently good to really good.
16 games in and Och is averaging 20.6ppg. Who would have thought we’d have a 20pt scorer with the depth this squad had on paper? Shooting nearly 53% from the field and 47% from 3 he leads the Big-12 in scoring and is certainly a 1st team Big-12 player, the likely POY in the league and has a real chance at 1st team All-American, if not POY. After some up and down games Agbaji was really good in a pair of home wins this past week. We’ll see what he’s got for this week. He’s been terrific.
Braun: Staying consistently good
CB’s made a big leap this year and is the 2nd leading scorer. Recently his shooting numbers have taken a bit of a dive (down 10% in FG% recently) & only 11ppg in conference play so far. We’ve seen CB dominate in stretches over multiple games already this season so this might just be a bit of a lull as defenses have adjusted to him some. While he struggled mightily in the first half against West Virginia he had some nasty plays like the no-look pass or the big block that was called a phantom foul. CB had 5 official blocks on Saturday, he has more blocks this season (22) then he had combined in his first two years so that’s been an underrated element to his game. He’s extremely important to this lineup and I think another peak in his scoring is coming soon.
McCormack: Trending up in conference play
Big Dave, what is there to say about Davith’. In 2 conference games he scored 36 points and grabbed 30 rebounds. The other 2 conference games he scored 5 points and 10 boards, came off the bench and sat a majority of another. Non-Conference play he was mostly inconsistent and sometimes unplayable and not enjoyable to watch. However the Dave that gets 19 & 15 in conference games is the Dave we know can exist. He’s trending up because Saturday he finally looked comfortable and healthy. Tuesday he gets a rematch with the mountain-man Groves from the first round of the NCAA tourney last year. I hope we see the “trending up version of Dave”.
Wilson: Trending up since entering the starting lineup
Losing Remy Martin with a knee injury has been difficult for KU but the bright spot to that development has been Jalen Wilson finding his groove reentering the starting lineup. He flat out had his best game in a Jayhawk Uniform Saturday filling the stat sheet to 23 pts, 8 boards, 5 assists, 2 steals and a partridge in a pear tree. Jalen has hit double figures twice in 4 conference games. He kept the Hawks in the bad loss at Tech and then was the catalyst I thought Saturday on a lot of fronts Saturday. Hopefully this Jalen is here to stay. We are all here for it.
Martin: Trending down and concerning.
A knee injury has kept Remy out of the lineup for the past two games however the rumor mill has stirred the pot that there’s more then just an injury going on in Lawrence. Who knows what’s true and what’s not but even Self got heated in his post-game interview about it. Regardless this team could use a healthy Remy, physically and mentally. KU’s PG situation has looked a bit leaky without him, although we saw positive minutes from Yesufu off the bench (who had missed the previous game himself). Self doubled and tripled down today that’s he’s day to day with a bone bruise and hopes he’ll be playing Tuesday night. Perhaps we’ll have closure to this situation and we’ll see Remy out there playing. Will be interesting to see how Self handles that because Wilson is playing better starting. Never a dull moment.
Dajuan Harris: Trending up
Juan got the game winner Tuesday which was a great individual play to bail out a wild ending to that game last week. Followed it up with a solid 6 pt 5 assist game on Saturday. He’s been mostly consistent throughout the season handling the ball, getting the ball moving on offense and playing pesky defense. We know his limitations on offense but we’ve never had to question his effort & he’s all about the team.
Coleman-Lands: Consistent bench piece
We know what JCL can do best which is shoot the rock. Bailed the team out on New Years day when he scored 20pts. He’s averaged 5ppg in conference play off the bench and seems to fill his role well as veteran guard. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has 1-2 more games this season where he helps lead them to victory.
Lightfoot- Consistent Mitch but trending down in conference play
Look Mitch has had some bright moments this year as the backup 5. We know what he gives us off the bench and we also clearly know what he can’t do. He hasn’t looked great of late especially if Dave has a good game, you can see the drop off. He’s blocked 7 shots so far in conference play which is 1 shy of his total from non-con play. He’s shown improvement making baskets around the rim shooting 61% on the year which is a career best. He’s been a much more reliable option when he gets position in the paint. Mitch tends to plays well when KU plays smaller frontcourts and that’s been a theme most of his career.
Yesufu- Incomplete but trending up after Saturday
Hasn’t really had a chance to make an impact so far this season. He’s struggled at times but Saturday was a bright spot for him after missing Tuesday’s game with an ankle injury. 4 assists, no points but had lots of energy and had a burst of speed our other guards do not have. Particularly liked after a bad turnover how he sprinted down the court to disrupt a layup, displaying hustle that will please his coach. He had a few impressive passes Saturday so he’s definitely trying to fit in. Has struggled to score the ball as his numbers indicate and that’s mostly due to sporadic playing time. Feel like he’s one you gotta keep putting out there to work out the kinks because his athleticism and speed are there.
KJ Adams- Trending up
Recently got his first start of the year & that is the only game so far where he’s logged more then 10 minutes. Tools are there & he’s rarely looked out of place even for a freshman. Moves the ball well, goes after everything with max effort. Good kid.
Pettiford: Trending down but due to injury/covid circumstances
Unfortunate for this young man that an injury & covid has stunted his development this season. His two games since returning haven’t been great by any means but he’s been put in a tough spot and just needs to get his sea legs back. Hopefully in a few weeks he’ll be a dependable rotation guard again.
Clemence: Trending down due to injury
Dealing with a toe injury has only played in 1 conference game so far this season which wasn’t his best game either. The future is bright for him but he’s just buried on the depth chart this year to get any serious minutes. Physical development as well as understanding how to play defense at this level is going to go a long way for him next year.
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@BeddieKU23 good work! I like that most are considered trending up. After seeing what happened to top teams this weekend I feel fortunate we escaped unscathed.
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Last week was a pivotal week and it was a good time to go 2-0 while holding serve at home. I’m really hoping we can leave this week 2-0 again and maybe create some early separation in the conference standings. We owe our former hawk Bryce Thompson a nice thank you
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@BeddieKU23 Great analysis. I see 6 starters and 6 bench players on the list. When all 6 starters are healthy, who will be on the bench to start the game? Yes Bill, we know, starting doesn’t matter. But it does to some.
All the bench players are also important pieces the rest of the season, depending on the game. I don’t remember having that many players in one season that seemed critical, and arguably should be part of the rotation. It will be fun to see how it all plays out.
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Looked at the rankings and while 7 isn’t bad I think we might be higher. One spot behind is Wisconsin. For a team picked 9 or 10 in the league to be 8 in the whole dang country is pretty remarkable. Arizona is a fraud and will be exposed. Our matchups with Baylor will be epic and hopefully we win the season series with them when we beat them in the NC
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@BeddieKU23 I concur. The WV game made me feel much better.
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@BeddieKU23 I love your post. In reference to Remy, a supposed “insider” started a rumor about Remy leaving. This person also proclaimed a few months ago we were going to the B10, so he doesn’t let facts get in the way of a good story. I think this episode will galvanize Remy, galvanize the team, and I expect a great effort tomorrow night.
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@BeddieKU23 solid post! I think it’s also important to not Harris has done a great job taking care of the ball while distributing and playmaking. I think I saw his assist to turnover ratio is tops in the big 12. Or at least was?
Self also noted that Bobby is just being out in a horrible spot. I thought that was an interesting sentiment from him. He clearly loves the dude and he must not be fully recovered for self to say something like that.
With Mitch I think it’s odd that he’s often regarded as a decent post defender by commentators and common observers because he’s rarely out of position but when he’s in according to some numbers, I think Newell reported, our team defense is NOT good at all. Love the kid (excuse me man) but I am finally on the play Dave 25 minutes and split the rest between Adam’s, 5 guards, and use Mitch sparingly less than 10 a game unless foul trouble.
Also love what another poster said about having 6 starters. It IS a problem, but a good problem to have.
Really hoping yesefu builds on and is given the opportunity to build on that wvu game. He’s a game changer with his speed and showed some nice work both defensively and pushing the pace of the game with his foot speed and his vision looking ahead after turnovers and long rebounds.
This team needs to play fast. If they can escape the grind in any game they are likely to blow it open.
Still interested to see if self has any more wrinkles up his sleeve for some of the big games. We’ve seen mostly standard offensive sets and only a handful of pizazz from the coaching box I feel like. Is the team not ready to execute, are practices more focused on the defense, or is some stuff being saved for when he thinks he will need it?
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@wissox Arizona is always a fraud.
