OU, Texas to the SEC?
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@BeddieKU23 Funny thing will be if the B12 somehow ends up surviving even as a lesser conference… Which is something I think is a real possibility.
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I personally think the B12 stays alive - even if we leave.
- KSU
- ISU
- TTU
- TCU
- Baylor
- Houston
- UCF
- Cincinnati
- SMU
- OSU
- WVU
There is a future if enough schools want to stay.
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If Bob Bowlsby was a good commissioner, the Big 12 would be calling up Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and Colorado along with Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, and UCF to expand as much as possible regardless of what KU, ISU, and WVU do.
The benefits for the PAC schools would be better exposure instead of the “PAC 12 After Dark” time slots which would be help recruiting and marketing. Without OU and Texas, the Big 12 would have to add Houston and SMU to keep asuch of a presence in those two cities as possible. Cincy is a program that would likely step up the way TCU did after joining and would give WVU a regional team. UCF is a strong program, and having a school on an island isn’t something that’s an issue for the Big 12 considering WVU’s situation. Memphis would probably be a a back up plan for UCF if geography is a factor.
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@BeddieKU23 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Its over OU, Texas pulling out. Whether it happens before 2025 is going to be hotly decided
well If Texas & Oklahoma wanna pay their 80 million each then we will see them in the SEC by 2022. - Which probably they will cause of the SE has mentioned would be worth it for sure.
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@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
I personally think the B12 stays alive - even if we leave.
- KSU
- ISU
- TTU
- TCU
- Baylor
- Houston
- UCF
- Cincinnati
- SMU
- OSU
- WVU
There is a future if enough schools want to stay.
I don’t see West Virginia - -more apt to go back and be in the ACC
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Keep us in the above list and add Boise State, BYU, Colorado and Colorado State, and/or Arizona and Arizona State
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Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.
What is GoR Farmer ? - -little thick here lol
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@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.
What is GoR Farmer ? - -little thick here lol
Lol no worries my dude. It’s the grant of rights, so us signing over our tv deals to the league because we’re all more valuable together than individually
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.
What is GoR Farmer ? - -little thick here lol
Lol no worries my dude. It’s the grant of rights, so us signing over our tv deals to the league because we’re all more valuable together than individually
So I guess what your saying then is that KU also has no intention or want to renew after current runs out. More or less just dissolve the Big 12 and look elsewhere ? - -Is that right ? Or no saying they want the Big 12 to band together ? - this crap is just I dunnoa. Personally I almost feel like saying screw it and everyone ttry and find new desginations
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
If Bob Bowlsby was a good commissioner, the Big 12 would be calling up Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and Colorado along with Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, and UCF to expand as much as possible regardless of what KU, ISU, and WVU do.
With the Arizona schools in the Pacific Time zone for most of the basketball season, that would make it tough for them to move to an earlier time slot even if they were to switch conferences. They really can’t start games at 5PM local time.
Utah and Colorado could work, but only if WVU leaves for the ACC. I just don’t know how a college conference stretches across three time zones and makes that work.
I think there is an opportunity to expand east, but it is dependent on landing schools like Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, perhaps Marshall and others.
The Big 12 could survive, but probably not at the P5 level.
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@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
If Bob Bowlsby was a good commissioner, the Big 12 would be calling up Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and Colorado along with Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, and UCF to expand as much as possible regardless of what KU, ISU, and WVU do.
With the Arizona schools in the Pacific Time zone for most of the basketball season, that would make it tough for them to move to an earlier time slot even if they were to switch conferences. They really can’t start games at 5PM local time.
Utah and Colorado could work, but only if WVU leaves for the ACC. I just don’t know how a college conference stretches across three time zones and makes that work.
I think there is an opportunity to expand east, but it is dependent on landing schools like Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, perhaps Marshall and others.
The Big 12 could survive, but probably not at the P5 level.
It’s actually not difficult to schedule Arizona schools in midweek games. Big Monday games start at 8pm Central Time which is 6pm in Arizona. That’s genuinely not an issue in basketball and when most national Big 12 games air during the week.
As for travel, if you expand, you expand to 16 and set up 4 divisions with 4 teams. Let’s say for example a 16 team Big 12 (minus Texas, OU, KU, and ISU) those divisions could look like:
Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and BYU in a western division.
Baylor, Houston, SMU, and TCU in a southern division.
Texas Tech, OSU, KSU, and Colorado in a northern division.
WVU, Cincy, UCF, USF/Memphis in an eastern division.
In football for example, you’d play your division every year (3 games) and 2 teams from the other divisions (6 games) for a 9 game schedule. For eastern and western division teams, that’d be one road trip a year out west.
In sports like basketball, with a 16 team conference, you’d play your division teams twice and everyone else once so that’d be two trips per year across multiple timezones for the east and west teams.
In some of the smaller Olympic sports, allow teams associate memberships in other leagues to reduce travel costs or just make an unbalanced schedule where an easy or west team is only traveling east or west once per season max since not ever school competes in every sport.
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@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.
What is GoR Farmer ? - -little thick here lol
Lol no worries my dude. It’s the grant of rights, so us signing over our tv deals to the league because we’re all more valuable together than individually
So I guess what your saying then is that KU also has no intention or want to renew after current runs out. More or less just dissolve the Big 12 and look elsewhere ? - -Is that right ? Or no saying they want the Big 12 to band together ? - this crap is just I dunnoa. Personally I almost feel like saying screw it and everyone ttry and find new desginations
My impression from KU is plan A) B1G plan
ACC plan C) pray
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listening to regional sports talk right now. They say that 4 years is laughable , saying no way will Oklahoma & Texas stay in the Big 12 till 2025 & I agree - -no way this thing runs it’s course. - -SEC willing to help pay their buy out no problems. Better Scenario more then likely Oklahoma & Texas WILL BE playing ball in the SEC in 2022 - -they don’t give a crap about giving any 18 month notice here again any penality face SEC will step in and help out.
They also saying NO WAY was Bowlsby in total dark about these going on’s - He knew - -no way did he not know something about this . - -Think quite possibly that KU ends up in the Big 10 not feeeling quite as well about that now as I was yesterday but hope that it turns out that way
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@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
listening to regional sports talk right now. They say that 4 years is laughable , saying no way will Oklahoma & Texas stay in the Big 12 till 2025 & I agree - -no way this thing runs it’s course. - -SEC willing to help pay their buy out no problems. Better Scenario more then likely Oklahoma & Texas WILL BE playing ball in the SEC in 2022 - -they don’t give a crap about giving any 18 month notice here again any penality face SEC will step in and help out.
They also saying NO WAY was Bowlsby in total dark about these going on’s - He knew - -no way did he not know something about this . - -Think quite possibly that KU ends up in the Big 10 not feeeling quite as well about that now as I was yesterday but hope that it turns out that way
I completely believe Bowlsby was totally in the dark given his last handling of issues. Bowlsby was probably 4th out of 5 among the P5 commissioners and that’s only because of what Larry Scott did to the PAC in making them completely irrelevant and leaving them in a position where there’s speculation about the Big 12 raiding them.
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Well, we are “out”…the question is just where we are going to be “in”. If it is the “Big XII” (or other non-P conference) we are going to be on the stepping stone to death…be it slow or fast depending on where we land. If we don’t make the B1G or the SEC our athletic programs are going to take a MAJOR hit…to the tune of as much as $30M PER YEAR!! I certainly can’t write a check to cover that! Can you? The people over on KU Sports seem to think that we’re going to be “OK”…I don’t know if they are in denial or really just don’t understand what college sports have become…a BIG BUSINESS. And, in BIG BUSINESS, the “little guy” (read: Non P Conferences) really doesn’t seem to have much of a chance. Not only would we not have a plate at the table, we wouldn’t have a table!! Not trying to be an alarmist, but with I think no more than a 50-50 chance for landing in the B1G and even less for the SEC, I hope our new AD is in 24/7 mode!
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@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Well, we are “out”…the question is just where we are going to be “in”. If it is the “Big XII” (or other non-P conference) we are going to be on the stepping stone to death…be it slow or fast depending on where we land. If we don’t make the B1G or the SEC our athletic programs are going to take a MAJOR hit…to the tune of as much as $30M PER YEAR!! I certainly can’t write a check to cover that! Can you? The people over on KU Sports seem to think that we’re going to be “OK”…I don’t know if they are in denial or really just don’t understand what college sports have become…a BIG BUSINESS. And, in BIG BUSINESS, the “little guy” (read: Non P Conferences) really doesn’t seem to have much of a chance. Not only would we not have a plate at the table, we wouldn’t have a table!! Not trying to be an alarmist, but with I think no more than a 50-50 chance for landing in the B1G and even less for the SEC, I hope our new AD is in 24/7 mode!
Goff isn’t really on this issue. Girod however…
There’s significant interest from B1G Presidents in adding KU. Nobody knows if it’ll happen or not, but looks good as of 9:54 PM 7/26
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@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Well, we are “out”…the question is just where we are going to be “in”. If it is the “Big XII” (or other non-P conference) we are going to be on the stepping stone to death…be it slow or fast depending on where we land. If we don’t make the B1G or the SEC our athletic programs are going to take a MAJOR hit…to the tune of as much as $30M PER YEAR!! I certainly can’t write a check to cover that! Can you? The people over on KU Sports seem to think that we’re going to be “OK”…I don’t know if they are in denial or really just don’t understand what college sports have become…a BIG BUSINESS. And, in BIG BUSINESS, the “little guy” (read: Non P Conferences) really doesn’t seem to have much of a chance. Not only would we not have a plate at the table, we wouldn’t have a table!! Not trying to be an alarmist, but with I think no more than a 50-50 chance for landing in the B1G and even less for the SEC, I hope our new AD is in 24/7 mode!
Oh agree for the most part. - -I think NO CHANCE for the SEC , don’t think the powers to be are even digging into that possibility. Which leaves the Big 10 - - The Pac 12 - - or the ACC. - -I to think it’s looking like right now we are a 50/50 with the Big 10
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Actually, it seems that there is some “interest” in KU in the SEC. They seem to foresee that the NCAA will get phased out of the basketball tournament (whether that is realistic or not) which would make BB schools attractive. More surprisingly, there seems to be some sympathy to making Missouri more “comfortable” in the SEC by having KU there as well and again somewhat surprisingly, there is some talk of not only of the KU/MU rivalry but also a KU/UK rivalry as well. Also, the AAU connection has been commented on favorably. Again, I don’t forsee a SEC invitation forthcoming but interesting that there is even some positive interest, though admittedly it is comments on “fan boards” which of course have MAYBE 0.000000000001% influence!
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I read in the hutch paper the board of regents has to agree.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
I read in the hutch paper the board of regents has to agree.
This is correct. And they will; just a rubber stamp.
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@FarmerJayhawk won’t tie us to KSU?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk won’t tie us to KSU?
Absolutely not. KBOR will let each school do what’s best.
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@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Actually, it seems that there is some “interest” in KU in the SEC. They seem to foresee that the NCAA will get phased out of the basketball tournament (whether that is realistic or not) which would make BB schools attractive. More surprisingly, there seems to be some sympathy to making Missouri more “comfortable” in the SEC by having KU there as well and again somewhat surprisingly, there is some talk of not only of the KU/MU rivalry but also a KU/UK rivalry as well. Also, the AAU connection has been commented on favorably. Again, I don’t fore see a SEC invitation forthcoming but interesting that there is even some positive interest, though admittedly it is comments on “fan boards” which of course have MAYBE 0.000000000001% influence!
sure appreciate your post and no dis-respect meant at all. I’m sure your right on the fan boards, they like to babble lol. - -But just my thoughts opinion , just don’t think there is ANY chance of the SEC as a landing spot if the big 12 dissolves -I think it will either be the Big 10 OR the Pac 12
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OK , Question. - So OU & Texas headed to the SEC. So how long before the Big 12 dissolves ? /falls apart. - - Do we stick around till the Contract expires ? - - Does KU pay buyout and bolt also - -OU Texas playing in SEC in 2022 ? - KU also in new Conference in 2022 ? - -all legit questions.
My thoughts , OU & Texas in the SEC playing in 2022 - - League dissolves by then also - - KU in new conference by 2022 I’m just not that sure that the Big 10 is gonna take us.
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@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
OK , Question. - So OU & Texas headed to the SEC. So how long before the Big 12 dissolves ? /falls apart. - - Do we stick around till the Contract expires ? - - Does KU pay buyout and bolt also - -OU Texas playing in SEC in 2022 ? - KU also in new Conference in 2022 ? - -all legit questions.
My thoughts , OU & Texas in the SEC playing in 2022 - - League dissolves by then also - - KU in new conference by 2022 I’m just not that sure that the Big 10 is gonna take us.
Texas and OU will like be in the conference until 2023. Right now, Texas and OU have stated their intent to play out the GoR. There’s also an 18 month notice which means the earliest Texas and OU cod leave is January 2023. There would only be 2 year left between then and when the GoR expires so I would guess OU and Texas leave in July of 2023 and pay whatever they need to at that point.
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@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Actually, it seems that there is some “interest” in KU in the SEC. They seem to foresee that the NCAA will get phased out of the basketball tournament (whether that is realistic or not) which would make BB schools attractive. More surprisingly, there seems to be some sympathy to making Missouri more “comfortable” in the SEC by having KU there as well and again somewhat surprisingly, there is some talk of not only of the KU/MU rivalry but also a KU/UK rivalry as well. Also, the AAU connection has been commented on favorably. Again, I don’t fore see a SEC invitation forthcoming but interesting that there is even some positive interest, though admittedly it is comments on “fan boards” which of course have MAYBE 0.000000000001% influence!
sure appreciate your post and no dis-respect meant at all. I’m sure your right on the fan boards, they like to babble lol. - -But just my thoughts opinion , just don’t think there is ANY chance of the SEC as a landing spot if the big 12 dissolves -I think it will either be the Big 10 OR the Pac 12
The ACC would be a more likely landing spot than that PAC 12 at this point. That’s also where I’m guessing the rest of the Big 12 schools will attempt to go because there’s a better chance of them getting into the ACC than the PAC 12.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
OK , Question. - So OU & Texas headed to the SEC. So how long before the Big 12 dissolves ? /falls apart. - - Do we stick around till the Contract expires ? - - Does KU pay buyout and bolt also - -OU Texas playing in SEC in 2022 ? - KU also in new Conference in 2022 ? - -all legit questions.
My thoughts , OU & Texas in the SEC playing in 2022 - - League dissolves by then also - - KU in new conference by 2022 I’m just not that sure that the Big 10 is gonna take us.
Texas and OU will like be in the conference until 2023. Right now, Texas and OU have stated their intent to play out the GoR. There’s also an 18 month notice which means the earliest Texas and OU cod leave is January 2023. There would only be 2 year left between then and when the GoR expires so I would guess OU and Texas leave in July of 2023 and pay whatever they need to at that point.
Maybe so , but yet there is a very good chance the Big 12 dissolves before 2023 , so they won’t have to worry about the 18 month. With Texas and OU going to the SEC and that’s a done deal - -these other Schools are not going to want to sit around and ride the lame horse. These other Schools are all going to want and get their own issues taken care of they aren’t going to want and sit around until 2025 or even 2023 If these schools can get into other Conferences. I don’t thin there wil be a Big 12 in 20232 , I also strongly feel Texas & Oklahoma will be playing in the SEC in 2022 from what I hear
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@FarmerJayhawk Good. We should have no interest in trying to be part of a weak conference. We need to move on…
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@Texas-Hawk-10 my guess? Several schools will join the WAC, maybe one to the Pac12 and a couple to the ACC, KU and Iowa State to the soon to be renamed thing that is currently called the Big10. Don’t forget, despite our sucky football program, KU is third in conference revenue behind only Texas and Oklahoma - Big10 bound we are.
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A&M a week ago, “WE’RE GOING TO KILL THIS!!”
A&M today, “lol jk we like monies” https://247sports.com/Article/Texas-AM-Board-of-Regents-votes-to-support-SEC-expansion-Oklahoma-Sooners-Longhorns-big-12-168412847/
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Unanimous. https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1420527020975562753?s=21
SURPRISE
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Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…
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This made me laugh
Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby accused ESPN of encouraging other conferences to pick apart the league so Texas and Oklahoma can move to the Southeastern Conference more quickly and without paying a massive buyout.
The claims in the letter have no merit," ESPN said in a statement.
Talk about getting caught with your pants down Bowlsby
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Change will suck that’s for sure.
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@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…
Where’s @stupidmichael when you need him?
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@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…
Where’s @stupidmichael when you need him?
He realigned with another Board. He ignored the unwritten rule requiring a profane posting announcing his departure due to people saying things he didn’t like.*
*All untrue. Have no idea!
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@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…
Where’s @stupidmichael when you need him?
Scared himself to death?
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@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…
Anyone who isn’t is either ignorant or lying
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Anybody read Girods letter?
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@Crimsonorblue22 yeah, I thought he hit mostly the right notes. Didn’t say much of anything and left the door WIDE OPEN to leaving the Big 12 as soon as we’re able.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…
Anyone who isn’t is either ignorant or lying
It certainly gives us an excuse to displace our worries about the Delta variant, our political upheaval, and whether a big asteroid will strike the earth within 4 million years…
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@FarmerJayhawk you think we have a plan ready to go if they jump ship any time? Do you think Girod wants us to stay with the leftovers?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk you think we have a plan ready to go if they jump ship any time? Do you think Girod wants us to stay with the leftovers?
My strong sense is they’ll jump on the first offer among ACC, PAC, or B1G. And all else equal, B1G is preferred. I think his comments about athletics budgets in G5 type money were really revealing. The Big 12’s payout sans OU/UT (no matter which G5’s they add) would be a fraction of our current payout, and Girod knows we have to avoid that scenario if at all possible.
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Officially official. 25-26 wink wink https://twitter.com/SEC/status/1420859403042004997?s=20
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they say start in 2025. - - I don’t think other memebers now that we know for sure , I don’t think the remaining Schools are going to wait until 2025. I think the league dissolves BEFORE then. UNLESS the remaining members go out aggressively and try to add 2 teams 4 teams BEFORE OU & Texas leaves - whatever the case I just can’t see these others staying pat.
We know if W Virginia gets any interest from the ACC - - their gone. - can’t even be sure that if some of these other Schools get invites that they won’t both - -this is now a lame Duck league. I’d rather get this over with /setteled sooner then later. -Our AD and who ever needs to get aggressive and not sit on their hands and get caught with their pants down
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@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
they say start in 2025. - - I don’t think other memebers now that we know for sure , I don’t think the remaining Schools are going to wait until 2025. I think the league dissolves BEFORE then. UNLESS the remaining members go out aggressively and try to add 2 teams 4 teams BEFORE OU & Texas leaves - whatever the case I just can’t see these others staying pat.
We know if W Virginia gets any interest from the ACC - - their gone. - can’t even be sure that if some of these other Schools get invites that they won’t both - -this is now a lame Duck league. I’d rather get this over with /setteled sooner then later. -Our AD and who ever needs to get aggressive and not sit on their hands and get caught with their pants down
They absolutely will not wait until 2025 to leave. Just saying the right things until they can get away for really cheap.
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Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they’ll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I’d put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.
