Remy to Kansas
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So I guess this cools the bill self has lost his touch, we can’t recruit without snacks, or we can’t get any good players because of the investigation talk…at least for a week???
This team is good. I’m not as excited about martin as everyone else is, but I’d rather have martin and yesefu over wheeler or tyty. The biggest recruiting get of this off-season is ochai and Jalen. I fully expect ochai to come back…Wilson not so much. I think he’s dreaming about the dolla dolla bills y’all and he could get those in some bulllshit overseas league. I don’t think wilson can compete professionally anywhere in the world right now, but is still a solid P5 basketball player.
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@bmensch1 said in Remy to Kansas:
So I guess this cools the bill self has lost his touch, we can’t recruit without snacks, or we can’t get any good players because of the investigation talk…at least for a week???
This team is good. I’m not as excited about martin as everyone else is, but I’d rather have martin and yesefu over wheeler or tyty. The biggest recruiting get of this off-season is ochai and Jalen. I fully expect ochai to come back…Wilson not so much. I think he’s dreaming about the dolla dolla bills y’all and he could get those in some bulllshit overseas league. I don’t think wilson can compete professionally anywhere in the world right now, but is still a solid P5 basketball player.
I think it’s just the opposite. - - Ochai more likely is gone and Wilson comes back. Ochai more athletic - I don’t think he is NBA ready BUT like you said he is just good enough to be able to pick up money over sea’s in one of their gazillion type leagues they have. - At first I thought there was no way he would leave but it has now slide to more like a 60 -65 /40/35 that he will. Would love to have both come back just don’t think that’s happening
@bmensch1 said in Remy to Kansas:
So I guess this cools the bill self has lost his touch, we can’t recruit without snacks, or we can’t get any good players because of the investigation talk…at least for a week???
This team is good. I’m not as excited about martin as everyone else is, but I’d rather have martin and yesefu over wheeler or tyty. The biggest recruiting get of this off-season is ochai and Jalen. I fully expect ochai to come back…Wilson not so much. I think he’s dreaming about the dolla dolla bills y’all and he could get those in some bulllshit overseas league. I don’t think wilson can compete professionally anywhere in the world right now, but is still a solid P5 basketball player.
@bmensch1 said in Remy to Kansas:
So I guess this cools the bill self has lost his touch, we can’t recruit without snacks, or we can’t get any good players because of the investigation talk…at least for a week???
This team is good. I’m not as excited about martin as everyone else is, but I’d rather have martin and yesefu over wheeler or tyty. The biggest recruiting get of this off-season is ochai and Jalen. I fully expect ochai to come back…Wilson not so much. I think he’s dreaming about the dolla dolla bills y’all and he could get those in some bulllshit overseas league. I don’t think wilson can compete professionally anywhere in the world right now, but is still a solid P5 basketball player.
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Now we’ve got a group of nice talent who can go somewhere in D1.
Let’s see if they can avoid controversy, develop chemistry, develop team identity, develop a leader or two, develop a winning style, and stay healthy!
We’re a shoe-in for the Final Four! lol
In all seriousness… I’m excited for fall basketball again!
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Certainly raised the ceiling of this team a good bit even if both Jalen or Ochai do not return. If all 3 return then Self just added the cherry on top.
At minimum its a Proven P5 player that was All Conference twice, has experience playing KU (beat us twice and hit big shots), he’s a shotmaker/playmaker and can score at all 3 levels.
In a dream scenario Self has 3 guys (Martin/Ochai/McCormack) give you consistent scoring and are go-to players. Not many programs will have that. If Jalen returns that’s 4 legit scorers. Everyone else is filling a role at that point. It’s potentially a very good problem to have
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@BeddieKU23 Agree so much. The starting five of Martin/Yesufu/Ochai/Wilson/Dave is a top 5 team. And honestly unreal how good of an offensive team you’re looking at right there.
Then you have Braun off the bench where you aren’t asking him to be too much other than a defender and a spot up shooter. You can give Remy and Yesufu breaks by bringing in Harris and shouldn’t see crazy dropoff. And that will even let Remy slide off the ball which I think could be good for him.
Anything Pettiford gives you is gravy at this point.
We just need one of the new big guys to not be bad and this team is a contender. I do think Curry, of all of the bigs, brings a physical ability and presence that is playable at this level. If Bill takes the season-long view with him, he will play early and often with the hope that he develops by the end of the year. Clemence is a big question mark, but Bill Self history has taught me not to expect anything from freshman bigs.
Either way this team has the pieces to make noise.
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I really thought we were going to end up having to watch Wheeler play 25 mpg there for a minute…
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Is this starting to look like we have too much talent? Will we lose another player or two to the transfer portal? If so… who?
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@drgnslayr I actually think we are in a great spot to keep this group in tact.
Harris and Braun could potentially. But I don’t expect it
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Agree on that Starting 5, its good enough to compete for everything. Hopefully all the pieces come back. The addition of Martin is just big in so many ways. A total face lift to where things seemed to be headed lately.
Certainly takes the pressure off Pettiford to be an impact player.
Agree. It will be very interesting to see if Adams or Clemence are more ready then we may think. Each has something to give that the other doesn’t. Curry physically and athletically will hold up. Probably will be important to see what Self says about him as they get going. I have no idea what we are getting in Martin. I’m just going to hope one of them can play big and do the basic stuff we need from a backup
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@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:
Now we’ve got a group of nice talent who can go somewhere in D1.
Let’s see if they can avoid controversy, develop chemistry, develop team identity, develop a leader or two, develop a winning style, and stay healthy!
We’re a shoe-in for the Final Four! lol
In all seriousness… I’m excited for fall basketball again!
Certainly not a shoe-in, but “we’re a contendah!”
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@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:
I really thought we were going to end up having to watch Wheeler play 25 mpg there for a minute…
For real… Kentucky thankfully got him.
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There are always unexpected departures.
Next year will be Jalen’s last at KU, to be clear.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:
I really thought we were going to end up having to watch Wheeler play 25 mpg there for a minute…
Crisis averted.
Flashback to last Tuesday: Remy Martin enters the portal, suddenly the Wheeler smoke shifts from KU to UK.
But sure Kentucky fans, Cal “stole him” from Bill.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:
Either way this team has the pieces to make noise.
Speaking of making noise, some of these guys have yet to experience the full-throated roar of Allen Field House at capacity. I’m hoping we are in a position to allow 16,300 screaming fans into the building come fall. Will certainly impact play in a big way.
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I’ll still feel even better when we get past the NBA withdrawal date. - -Feel Much better when Martin & Ochai are actually here AFTER that date.
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Gets confusing for me Go to do my troll on the Kentucky bored - - start thinking I’m STILL on the KU board why ? - -Cause they have a thread dedicated to Remy Martin and they have what seems like MORE comments about Remy on their board then we do on our own KU board lmao
Either I’m confused which Board I’M ON or these Kentucky fans are REALLY CONFUSED roflmao - -just sad - -they have like 71 posts about Remy and he isn’t even one of their players lmao
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@jayballer67 said in Remy to Kansas:
Gets confusing for me Go to do my troll on the Kentucky bored - - start thinking I’m STILL on the KU board why ? - -Cause they have a thread dedicated to Remy Martin and they have what seems like MORE comments about Remy on their board then we do on our own KU board lmao
Either I’m confused which Board I’M ON or these Kentucky fans are REALLY CONFUSED roflmao - -just sad - -they have like 71 posts about Remy and he isn’t even one of their players lmao
They jelly we’re coming for that all time wins crown
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Remy to Kansas:
@jayballer67 said in Remy to Kansas:
Gets confusing for me Go to do my troll on the Kentucky bored - - start thinking I’m STILL on the KU board why ? - -Cause they have a thread dedicated to Remy Martin and they have what seems like MORE comments about Remy on their board then we do on our own KU board lmao
Either I’m confused which Board I’M ON or these Kentucky fans are REALLY CONFUSED roflmao - -just sad - -they have like 71 posts about Remy and he isn’t even one of their players lmao
They jelly we’re coming for that all time wins crown
Oh believe that. - -you should of seen it , this past season most talk would be about the season - - well this past Season it wasn’t about how P - - - their Season was , no - - they were crapping little green kittens about how many wins they were ahead of us for all time wins - -just dropping little green apples all over the place lol
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Cyclone fans are struggling too @FarmerJayhawk
“I was told as soon as he went into the portal TJ wouldn’t be interested even if we had room from someone that would know so I’ll trust TJ and others on this”
“There’s a lot of red flags about him that aren’t public. I’ll leave it at that”
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@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:
Cyclone fans are struggling too @FarmerJayhawk
“I was told as soon as he went into the portal TJ wouldn’t be interested even if we had room from someone that would know so I’ll trust TJ and others on this”
“There’s a lot of red flags about him that aren’t public. I’ll leave it at that”
Ah the “we didn’t want him anyway” syndrome. Epidemic that started in Lexington, KY I believe
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This definitely raised the overall talent level on the roster. I need to go back and watch Martin to see if the fit is there given the confusing roster construction we have right now.
He’s a bona fide go to scorer, something we have lacked a bit the last couple of years - a guy you can just give the ball to and he figures out how to get a bucket.
This raises the ceiling on the team for next year. Depending on fit, it may also raise the floor.
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@justanotherfan I like the fact that he gives us a guy to take some shots away from Dave. Get Dave down to a more normal usage rate. Having a couple fast guards, one that can really shoot it and the other the defense has to at least respect will open things up for everyone. I think the defense will be worse but the offense vastly improved.
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@BShark you think more highly of jalen than I do. Thought he started really hot, hit shots and boards. After Christmas, not so much.
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@Crimsonorblue22 We don’t have another starting caliber player behind Jalen at the 4. If he somehow left and there wasn’t a strong ass replacement that would drastically hurt the team. Can’t play Martin or Zach next to Dave and KJ isn’t ready.
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Have been listening to talk off Local sports talk program. Saying that Coach Self has gotten EXACTLY what he was looking for this off Season saying that : KU had added more Athletism - – - - More Scoring - – More height - - We now that TRUE PG , Bringing out points like Yesufu very Athletic # 2 man - - -The other transfer that can Score a stretch 4/5 that shoots the 3 really well. - -they said the big thing IS if he can DEFEND then look out.
Depth ? - - my GOD do we now have depth:- -when you can pull if needed guys that on the bench to play - you have Braun for sure - - Harris to relieve - - Petiford - - Martin -Clemence - - Adams - Curry - Mitch can come in and give 4-5 minutes when you can put that kind out on the floor to relieve spot minutes - you Start Ochai - - - Yesufu - - Martin - -McCormack & can’t remember the other - -But dam man
They said the ONLY thing that might keep KU from being a top 3-5 team in the Nation - THE ONLY THING right now is : - -The upcoming NBA Draft. - -How many of these 3 stay in the draft - Ocahi ? - -Wilson ? - - Martin ? - -they said they think the order would be - -Martin the best chance - -then Oachi - - then Wilson.
They said KU now for sure has the Scoring - you got Yesufu that can go get you 15 - - Martin that can go out and get you 15 - - Oachi can go out and get you 15 - - takes a lot of the pressure off Oachi. - If nothing else we can throw body after body after body - - if we can get past this draft with 2/3 we good . - If we gt say Martin & Wilson back - -were good - -if we get Martin & Oachi back - -were for sure good - -if Martin stays in that might change things some but we would still be good not AS good but still good.
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@BShark I meant good enough to leave.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Remy to Kansas:
@BShark I meant good enough to leave.
Believe he will leave regardless of NBA feedback after next season. He really wants to go pro even if it doesn’t end up being the NBA.
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First things first, let’s make sure all of these guys are in Lawrence 5 months from now.
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@BShark Zach Clemence can absolutely play next to Dave. Clemence has minimal low post game offensively and doesn’t have the strength to defend post players. Their games compliment each other very well.
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I don’t think Zach will be ready defensively next year, especially against smaller and quicker opposition. Not exactly Jalen’s forte either but Jalen is a much better option next year.
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@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:
I don’t think Zach will be ready defensively next year, especially against smaller and quicker opposition. Not exactly Jalen’s forte either but Jalen is a much better option next year.
I don’t ever expect Clemence to be good on defense because he’s too much of a finesse player. That said, I think he’s better suited to play defensively at the 4 spot because he’s long enough to alter shots even if he’s beaten by quicker players because he’ll still have a size advantage over most other 4’s he’d face. Clemence at the 5 on defense would just get physically manhandled by most post players for at least his first two seasons.
Zach Clemence is an ideal stretch 4 that I think can have a comparable career to Perry Ellis.
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All in all, this is turning out to be a LOT better off-season than I expected. Remy killed us a couple of years ago when he came off the bench to hit a bunch of clutch shots. Good to have him on our side.
“If you CAN beat 'em, join 'em”
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Remy to Kansas:
First things first, let’s make sure all of these guys are in Lawrence 5 months from now.
ya kind of have my doubts about Martin
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@BShark Braun and the other big Martin - who I think will play for about 10mpg - both being able to hit from thee. And there are others.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:
@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:
I don’t think Zach will be ready defensively next year, especially against smaller and quicker opposition. Not exactly Jalen’s forte either but Jalen is a much better option next year.
I don’t ever expect Clemence to be good on defense because he’s too much of a finesse player. That said, I think he’s better suited to play defensively at the 4 spot because he’s long enough to alter shots even if he’s beaten by quicker players because he’ll still have a size advantage over most other 4’s he’d face. Clemence at the 5 on defense would just get physically manhandled by most post players for at least his first two seasons.
Zach Clemence is an ideal stretch 4 that I think can have a comparable career to Perry Ellis.
I like Clemence and think that he’s going to be solid, so you’re saying that he is ready to
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@Marco I don’t think Clemence is ready enough for starters minutes, but I think he’s coming in ready to play 10-15 minutes as a backup.
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I hope Clemence can give us some minutes this year. But I just struggle to see it. Guy can flat out shoot it though. Always intriguing.
I could see a scenario where Clemence and C. Martin come in if the offense is stagnant and we do some pick and pop/iso ball with Remy. You could theoretically iso him and put Clemence, C. Martin, Ochai and Yesufu on the perimeter in catch and shoot situations. Then you just let Remy go to work and hope he makes the smart basketball play. Very NBA, but it could be pretty effective.
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I’m always screaming for more guards and a heavy guard team… but I have to admit I’m excited with our post! I can see us with a big lineup that can work… especially if we get Jalen back. He’s a natural 3. What can happen when we have Jalen at the 3, Dave at the 5… and we rotate Cam and Sydney at the 4? Cam and Jalen can definitely hit the trey while also driving to finish. Sydney looks like a crazy driving force! I wonder how his pass is? He could sure help Dave rack up some easy finishes at the rim! Now we have a dead-eye trey shooting PG who can also drive, and then add Ochai or Christian at the SG… This is looking like one of those teams where we can try many looks… sizes… to see what works with what team!
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This starting 5 averaged 70.2 pts per game last year - Martin, Yesufu, Agbaji, Wilson, McCormack. KU averaged 73 as a team last year.
Add Braun, Mitch, Harris- 85.7 ppg.
No excuse for this team not being Top 5 on offense
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@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:
I’m always screaming for more guards and a heavy guard team… but I have to admit I’m excited with our post! I can see us with a big lineup that can work… especially if we get Jalen back. He’s a natural 3. What can happen when we have Jalen at the 3, Dave at the 5… and we rotate Cam and Sydney at the 4? Cam and Jalen can definitely hit the trey while also driving to finish. Sydney looks like a crazy driving force! I wonder how his pass is? He could sure help Dave rack up some easy finishes at the rim! Now we have a dead-eye trey shooting PG who can also drive, and then add Ochai or Christian at the SG… This is looking like one of those teams where we can try many looks… sizes… to see what works with what team!
Jalen Wilson is not now, nor will he ever be a 3 at the college level. He is nowhere near athletic enough to guard wing players considering he couldn’t really guard 4’s last season.
Cam Martin won’t see many, if any, minutes next to Dave of Wilson is back because Martin makes McCormack look like Joel Embiid athletically. There’s a reason why Martin went to Jacksonville St. and then dropped down to D2 and it’s because he’s not athletic at all so he and Dave together make KU’s post defense suspect at best.
Sydney Curry most likely redshirts this season because he needs to drop weight to be able to utilize his abilities because he’s not quick enough at his current size to be very helpful this season. He was also recruited with being Dave’s long term replacement in mind and still needs a lot of work on his game to get to that point.
Did KU sign another PG that’s a dead eye shooter because the one that just committed to KU sure as hell isn’t a dead eye shooter unless you consider a career 33.6% 3 point shooter a dead eye shooter.
I’m also not sure why you’d want Ochai or Braun playing at the 2 spot when Ochai has next to no handles and Christian Braun was the 2 last year and was a liability in that spot 90% of the time last season.
KU’s starting lineup next season assuming everyone comes back like they should will be Remy Martin, Yesufu, Agbaji, Wilson, and McCormack. Braun, Harris, and Cam Martin being the core subs with Clemence and Pettiford seeing decent minutes as well.
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Maybe I’m over-projecting… it’s nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won’t see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team’s 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.
I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn’t a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn’t really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.
I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.
I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4… but I was thinking about bigger lineups… something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.
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@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:
Maybe I’m over-projecting… it’s nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won’t see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team’s 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.
I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn’t a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn’t really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.
I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.
I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4… but I was thinking about bigger lineups… something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.
Oh Martin WILL see the floor. I agree they are not going to waste a Scholi on a one year guy if they don’t plan on using him. The big question they discussed yesterday on the radio sports was - -IF he can defend? - If he shows he can he yes will be valuable 4/5 a big man being able to stretch the floor and average 45 % from the 3 point range for sure helps open the flor even more
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@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:
Maybe I’m over-projecting… it’s nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won’t see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team’s 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.
I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn’t a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn’t really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.
I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.
I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4… but I was thinking about bigger lineups… something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.
I’m not saying Cam won’t play. I think he does play plenty as the primary back up to McCormack and spot minutes at the 4 spot on offense if Cam’s playing next to Clemence or Lightfoot. I just don’t see him being able to play alongside McCormack because that becomes a real defensive liability with each one’s lack of overall athleticism and this team isn’t shaping up to be all that good defensively next season, especially considering adding the ISU transfer to seemingly replace Agbaji is a terrible defender.
Jalen Wilson isn’t going to be an NBA player. He’s got a very similar style of game to Perry Ellis and Perry never really came close to making an NBA roster.
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I can see a comparison of Jalen to Perry about athleticism. But their games are different and Jalen brings a lot more aggressiveness to the game. I agree he needs to up his athleticism to have a chance at the NBA… he can stand to strengthen up and it will help him more than it did Perry to add muscle because Jalen plays aggressive. I’m not saying I think he’ll be NBA caliber. But if he can build his body he has a shot. Not everyone in the NBA is uber athletic. What counts is effectiveness.
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@drgnslayr the less athletic people tend to be gigantors, ex. Z-Bo
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@approxinfinity said in Remy to Kansas:
@drgnslayr the less athletic people tend to be gigantors, ex. Z-Bo
That and they are usually tremendously skilled too. Zach definitely qualifies there as well, and Jokic comes to mind.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:
@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:
Maybe I’m over-projecting… it’s nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won’t see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team’s 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.
I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn’t a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn’t really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.
I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.
I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4… but I was thinking about bigger lineups… something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.
I’m not saying Cam won’t play. I think he does play plenty as the primary back up to McCormack and spot minutes at the 4 spot on offense if Cam’s playing next to Clemence or Lightfoot. I just don’t see him being able to play alongside McCormack because that becomes a real defensive liability with each one’s lack of overall athleticism and this team isn’t shaping up to be all that good defensively next season, especially considering adding the ISU transfer to seemingly replace Agbaji is a terrible defender.
Jalen Wilson isn’t going to be an NBA player. He’s got a very similar style of game to Perry Ellis and Perry never really came close to making an NBA roster.
And therein lies the current problem (and he had a good season), Dave has kind of become absolete. The makeup and even strengths of this team do not serve his skillset. He should play fifteen, twenty minutes a game - tops. If he plays more (and Bill is loyal, sometimes to a fault) it will not, longterm, be good for the team.
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@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:
@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:
Maybe I’m over-projecting… it’s nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won’t see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team’s 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.
I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn’t a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn’t really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.
I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.
I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4… but I was thinking about bigger lineups… something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.
I’m not saying Cam won’t play. I think he does play plenty as the primary back up to McCormack and spot minutes at the 4 spot on offense if Cam’s playing next to Clemence or Lightfoot. I just don’t see him being able to play alongside McCormack because that becomes a real defensive liability with each one’s lack of overall athleticism and this team isn’t shaping up to be all that good defensively next season, especially considering adding the ISU transfer to seemingly replace Agbaji is a terrible defender.
Jalen Wilson isn’t going to be an NBA player. He’s got a very similar style of game to Perry Ellis and Perry never really came close to making an NBA roster.
And therein lies the current problem (and he had a good season), Dave has kind of become absolete. The makeup and even strengths of this team do not serve his skillset. He should play fifteen, twenty minutes a game - tops. If he plays more (and Bill is loyal, sometimes to a fault) it will not, longterm, be good for the team.
Dave fits better with this group than last season. Last season’s team couldn’t shoot at all to spread the floor and open things up for Dave. This team should be much improved from deep which helps Dave out a bunch. Remy Martin running the show is going to make KU much better offensively than last year.
