Combine Invites
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I lived in Houston for almost 9 years (about 1,000 years ago…) and I noticed the same thing. Four million people to choose from and there’s hardly any D-1 talent that emerges. It’s weird. My brother in law and myself spent so much time in Herman Park, where they had unofficial 3 on 3 tournaments going seemingly around the clock and saw some phenomenal players, but none of them seemed to advance beyond the park league.
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It wasn’t too long ago that I wondered - you guys giving me the answer - about that, after Kelvin Sampson signed the contract extension at Houston. Whether or not the city of Houston had enough basketball talent to sustain the program?
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Well I guess going to KU still gives a kid the exposure to get these chances despite a poor season. If he’s at any other school not named Duke/UK/UNC he’s not invited.
Good luck to the kid. The success rate for these types is extremely low
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nuleafjhawk said:
@justanotherfan I would give option 1 a lot more weight. What if he was a man in high school and a boy in college? I’m talking only as it pertains to the game of basketball, NOT his character. He may just be in over his head until he develops more.
That’s a possibility. However, we saw Grimes play well against some of the better teams we faced last season.
21 points on 7-14 shooting in a win against Michigan State.
19 points on 7-14 shooting in a loss to Iowa State.
15 points on 5-11 shooting in a loss to Auburn.
13 points on 5-9 shooting in a loss to Kentucky.
That’s four of his best games, all against teams that feature very good guards.
Not only that, but it stands out to me that as the season progressed, Grimes’ role wasn’t really ever reduced long term. In 9 of his last 10 games he played more than 25 minutes, and played more than 30 minutes in 7 of those contests. If Self had determined he had better options, Grimes would have gotten the Bragg/Diallo treatment. Yet he logged pretty heavy minutes all season (averaged 27 mpg). That suggests to me that even though he struggled in games, Grimes was consistently one of our best guards in practice, otherwise Self would have flipped his rotation.
That’s why I leaned more towards a middling performance, with a breakout showing slightly more likely than a complete dud. We don’t have evidence that Grimes can’t handle this level. If we did, teams like UK and Michigan State would have forced him off the floor, rather than him playing some of his best basketball against those squads.
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@nuleafjhawk There’s talent here in the city, it’s just not top end HS talent for the most part. The best player to come from this city in the past 5 or so years is DeAaron Fox.
In the 2019 class, only 4 of the top 32 players from Texas are Houston area kids based on 24/7 rankings.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@nuleafjhawk There’s talent here in the city, it’s just not top end HS talent for the most part. The best player to come from this city in the past 5 or so years is DeAaron Fox.
In the 2019 class, only 4 of the top 32 players from Texas are Houston area kids based on 24/7 rankings.
Just did a quick scan of the 2020 Football recruits from Texas, and at least 10 of the top 32 are from the Houston area. Could the popularity of football be keeping elite HS athletes out of basketball in the Houston area?
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@justanotherfan This has always been the issue imo.
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@justanotherfan he showed up in the USA games
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@Crimsonorblue22 Then disappeared in crimson and blue.
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Read off LJW - where they had been doing strengths and weakness of possible NBA with out players talking to NBA scouts. - Now they came to Devon.
kind of surprising. - This scout said they had him somewhere around the range 0f 30-45 - Tait said he had seen one 2020 mock draft had him at # 29. - Here is what the Scout had to say.
Offensive Strengths: the Scouts 1st entry: - one word : -QUICK - good score of the dribble , Really fast 1st step , good finisher at the rim. Has become better shooter.
Defensive strengths. : Super light on feet , – -Understands Angles - - is able to locking down matchup on the ball.
Offensive Weakness : Needs to keep working on his Jumper Take better care of the ball. Gets sped up and at times careless - -Lack of size creates problems
Defensive weakness : Limited to who he can guard because of his size , - - Needs to add Strength - -for the grind of NBA schedule , - -take better care of the ball , - lack of size , - - -Needs to be better with his hands & foul prone -become better finisher when has to finish over bigger taller bodies.
Kind of interesting - -got him ranked a little higher then I thought close to 30 - -hmm hope he doesn’t make a mistake. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Don’t see Grimes on any mock drafts ???
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Blown said:
Don’t see Grimes on any mock drafts ???
The 2nd round is a crapshoot. He’ll make someone’s summer league team and maybe get a G-Leauge contract. It’s a mighty fall.
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Blown said:
Don’t see Grimes on any mock drafts ???
Well I don’t think he will make a roster. - -BUT like I said he DID sign a 3 yr 158 million - -deal with the barber Shop Quartet - we was stated that was the highest paid to anyone in the history of the franchise. - - -so there is a nice little chunk of green for him
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BeddieKU23 said:
Well I guess going to KU still gives a kid the exposure to get these chances despite a poor season. If he’s at any other school not named Duke/UK/UNC he’s not invited.
Good luck to the kid. The success rate for these types is extremely low
Even though KU players have had mixed results in the league, it is well reported that most NBA teams count KU on a resume as being a very positive thing. What they see as paramount is “defensive fundamentals.”
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Grimes’ future depends on what he does at the combine. Play well, and he’s a first rounder. Play poorly, he is hoping to catch on with a summer league team.
Dotson will probably be back at KU. He’s still just a bit too small. I could see him being banged up even as a rookie backup from the size and contact he would have to take.
Dedric is probably a second rounder that makes someone’s roster as a small ball 5. I could see him having success sliding up to the 5 because he’s so efficient and is a reliable rebounder even without elite athleticism. He’s still not going to be great defensively, but playing the 5 (and adding some strength) could help him translate that into a career. With the direction the NBA is heading, a 6-9 5 man that can rebound, handle the ball, shoot from the perimeter and pass effectively is a nice weapon. He won’t be a star, but he’s a nice piece to have stashed on your bench.
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@jayballer73 isn’t it 158$ not 158 million?
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@BeddieKU23 not a good look for self to take a “lottery pick” and “coach” him out of the second round. Easy negative recruitment tactic.
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Blown said:
@jayballer73 isn’t it 158$ not 158 million?
no article said 3 year 158 million - - OH CRAP wait a minute - -went back an re-read - - your right I apologize just some bogus funny story - - -dam I’m getting old - -got the ol wool pulled over my bad eye lol - - was talking about playing 4-5 and being able to be Baritone and all that - - my bad lol – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Blown said:
@BeddieKU23 not a good look for self to take a “lottery pick” and “coach” him out of the second round. Easy negative recruitment tactic.
There will always be guys like Grimes that underachieve at KU and other schools. Devon Dotson’s success as a freshman makes it a wash. Its up the player in the end
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https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1128848456863375360?s=21
Anyone remember seeing that last year?!? WTF
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Grimes combine measurements are not great
6’4" barefoot, 6’5.25 in shoes, 8’4.5" standing reach, 6’7.75" wingspan, 209.6 pounds, 8.4% body fat
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BShark said:
Grimes combine measurements are not great
6’4" barefoot, 6’5.25 in shoes, 8’4.5" standing reach, 6’7.75" wingspan, 209.6 pounds, 8.4% body fat
He measures out as a PG moreso that a SG. His reach is average for his size, but he would struggle against bigger wing players.
The only number that is troubling is that body fat. You would like to see that down closer to 6%.
The bigger measurements are going to be his vertical and strength measurements.
Grimes’ standing reach is equal to Jarrett Culver.
Also, Bol Bol’s standing reach is a ridiculous 9’7.75" Tacko Fall’s is 10’2.25". Jay Bilas is hyperventilating somewhere.
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@justanotherfan He was 180 pounds pre-KU, kind of troubling.
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@BShark 30 lbs more.
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@Woodrow ya just looks different when he’s guarded. And trying to fit into offensive scheme.
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Grimes is playing now
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justanotherfan said:
Grimes’ future depends on what he does at the combine. Play well, and he’s a first rounder. Play poorly, he is hoping to catch on with a summer league team.
Dotson will probably be back at KU. He’s still just a bit too small. I could see him being banged up even as a rookie backup from the size and contact he would have to take.
Dedric is probably a second rounder that makes someone’s roster as a small ball 5. I could see him having success sliding up to the 5 because he’s so efficient and is a reliable rebounder even without elite athleticism. He’s still not going to be great defensively, but playing the 5 (and adding some strength) could help him translate that into a career. With the direction the NBA is heading, a 6-9 5 man that can rebound, handle the ball, shoot from the perimeter and pass effectively is a nice weapon. He won’t be a star, but he’s a nice piece to have stashed on your bench.
I think that Grimes, at this point, will be best served to play overseas.
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So far in his game, Grimes is 3-6, including 1-3 from 3PT, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 turnover. 7 points in the first half.
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@justanotherfan are you watching? I can’t tell much, not showing much of game.
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2 rebounds? Wow, that’s more rebounds than he got in almost one-third of our games.
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@justanotherfan thx! Better than what I saw. Like to just watch the game instead of the interviews
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Grimes finished with 9 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals and 2 turnovers.
Without having seen the actual game, I can’t put that performance into any real context.
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Dotson was one of the few players at the combine that didnt hire an agent. Bodes well for him returning you would think
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Bilas seems to think he did good
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Other notes from physical testing:
Dotson has the fastest lane shuttle so far (2.8 seconds). His standing vertical and max vert (30 and 38.5 inches) are very solid for a guy his size.
Grimes did not do well in the leaping department. A disappointing 27.5 in the standing vert, and just 36 in the max. Grimes has not run yet.
No one has bench press numbers yet.
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D dot doing well in game
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Bobby Marks was just on TV saying Q may have potentially raised his stock saying Grimes 19 minutes in game 1 were better then his 6 months in Lawrence.
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JEFF GOODMAN@GOODMANHOOPS 10M KANSAS QUENTIN GRIMES SAID HE IS STILL KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN AND IS UNDECIDED WHETHER TO RETURN TO LAWRENCE OR REMAIN IN THE NBA DRAFT,
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JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
JEFF GOODMAN@GOODMANHOOPS 10M KANSAS QUENTIN GRIMES SAID HE IS STILL KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN AND IS UNDECIDED WHETHER TO RETURN TO LAWRENCE OR REMAIN IN THE NBA DRAFT,
It would be good to take him back if R.J. bolts overseas.
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@BeddieKU23 puzzled me, didn’t see anything to great!
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You think he’s keeping up w/his classes?
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Well this would be a truly bizarre development. He might not be getting great feedback there…
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BShark said:
Well this would be a truly bizarre development. He might not be getting great feedback there…
Shocking to no one but him apparently
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@BeddieKU23 Being honest here I’d rather have RJ than Grimes back and normally I am fairly big on experience.
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So would he be welcomed back. - -he declared for the NBA - -hired an agent , heard his folks wasn’t really that happy in his one year here about the whole KU thing - -saying it was a fluke of a yr - -not the real Quentin.
So if you were Coach - -would you welcome him back with the possibility of RJ - or would you tell him he doesn’t have a scholi to come back to? - -he had been recruited over?
I myself if it came down to Quentin - or RJ - -I’d take RJ in a heartbeat. - and please don’t come at me with the BS of you would rather have a Soph Grimes to a Fr OAD in this case -the talent level between these two is not even close Quentin made his choice - I can promise you that when he declared he was 100% that he was gone - - everyone here thought he was gone whether he should be or not. - Can’t count how many times I’ve heard people here say Quentin is GONE.
Sorry but If RJ said he wanted to come - then sorry but your ship sailed when you declared - -Ku can not decide NOT to recruit just because some kid doesn’t know whether he is gone or not - -KU has to recruit for the future - can’t stand pat and wait - -that’s a recipe for diaster. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I’d absolutely take a motivated and down to Earth Grimes back in a heart beat. As good as landing RJ imo.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d absolutely take a motivated and down to Earth Grimes back in a heart beat. As good as landing RJ imo.
I’m sorry buddy
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@Kcmatt7 why not both?
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I have no idea who is better. I just know OAD’s disappoint here.
