NCAA Rule Changes- Oh boyyy
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HA! We posted at the same time!
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"Significantly, the NCAA is overhauling its process for investigating and adjudicating complex cases involving its rules. Two independent groups will be appointed to oversee and resolve complex cases, which might involve academic misconduct, major penalties or adversarial behavior.
The first independent group will include both external investigators with no school or conference affiliation and select NCAA enforcement staff. A second group, which will comprise 15 people with backgrounds in law, higher education and sports with no affiliations to NCAA schools or conferences, will review the findings of the first group, oversee the hearing and decide penalties, if necessary."
Somewhere, Diallo and Preston are throwing crap against a wall at these changes…
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Could Malik come back? Can we trade him for Vick?
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What will Cal do if he can’t force guys out thru the draft?
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My guess is that even more guys declare, and almost no one withdraws from the draft. You can always come back if you don’t get picked, or go get paid.
These rule changes were overdue, but it might be too late.
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So you recruit over a player and he decides to come back. Long wait
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@Crimsonorblue22 Like Vick? You don’t have to hold the spot if they declare. It could cause some serious depth and the resulting playing time issues. Or recruits could skip you entirely if they don’t know what the playing time situation will be.
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In my mind, it raises the specter of the NCAA taking innuendo and unproven claims as proof of wrong doing by the school. The NCAA then asks the school to prove there is NOT a problem (ala Preston and Alexander). Therefore, is Silvio is now a hostage?
Or will the NCAA work only with proven claims?
So many questions…
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I foresee a lot of transfers among Vick level players at places like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, and UNC. Those kids will declare, stay in the draft, get recruited over, then transfer out after they go undrafted because they were recruited over. Some may go back to their original school if there’s room, but that’s not always going to be the case.
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Unintended consequences will be the result. I love idea of punishing offenders more harshly, and punishing schools and coaches. Be harsh. But as I was typing, I see @Texas-Hawk-10’s post, and that was my thought – kids bounced out. But then again, schools may just hold spots open a bit at the higher levels, which might in turn, trickle down and help lesser programs.
Do you force out the last player on your roster when a stud returns? Could be even more ugly.
I just want the players to be able to go make a living any time they want to. Right out of high school. But once you choose to go, you’re done. This is truly the way to protect CBB. Declare, you’re done. The door shuts.
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@HighEliteMajor I’d think this would increase the product.
Having guys that are borderline pros coming back makes the product better, right?
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Kcmatt7 said:
Could Malik come back? Can we trade him for Vick?
Our last trade with Arizona St didn’t work out so well
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@BeddieKU23 Idk, they didn’t even get a practice player out of the deal…
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@Kcmatt7 Not necessarily. I’ve always had the opinion that having the alleged better players doesn’t necessarily make CBB better. I think a Devonte Graham (a second tier NBA player) is much better for CBB than Andrew Wiggins. Same with a Perry Ellis. And many of the higher talent guys are drama queens. Generally, regarding the on court product, you’re right I think. But I think there is a bigger benefit to shutting the door. Make it a clean break. You’re either CBB or you are not. The grey area and the uncertainty hurt the college game. I think the NBA rule banning those under 19, or whatever it is, is atrocious. CBB is a pit stop for the Michael Porters, Ben Simmons, etc. And they should be able to take their talents and make millions right out of high school. I love CBB, and by consequence, detest the NBA for the damage it causes CBB. But CBB is more in control that we might think. They just have to have a spine, and understand that even if the top 20 players every year do something else, CBB will be just fine.
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HighEliteMajor said:
… I just want the players to be able to go make a living any time they want to. Right out of high school. But once you choose to go, you’re done. This is truly the way to protect CBB. Declare, you’re done. The door shuts.
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First, I like the idea of letting them go pro by choice, whenever they choose.
Second, in the business world, it is common for employees to work awhile, then go back to school either to improve their skill set, or change fields, then go back to the labor market.
Veterans often serve in the military, then return to college.
Just curious what your reasoning is why basketball players turned pro should not be allowed to go back to college and play for amateur consideration if they choose?
I have never been able to persuade my self this opportunity should be denied basketball players.
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@HighEliteMajor How does it hurt the game?
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@Kcmatt7 I think self has found some good ones! I also think it benefits KU in many ways, recruiting, a ton, much easier to market our school. I enjoyed watching them. Grimes seems to be a terrific kid too.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I personally enjoy seeing future NBA stars play CBB.
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Don’t you know that basketball (sports in general, really) should be treated like any other job, except when it shouldn’t be treated like any other job?
All fun, no malice.
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Soooooo… not valid?
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-usa-basketball-reportedly-blindsided-ncaa-rule-changes-204616433.html
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Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, when it adversely impacts one’s earnings and security, not when it enhances!
Seriously though, I expect @HighEliteMajor to make a good case worth reading, same as you would.
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Suggested amendment would be needed in @HighEliteMajor’s tagline if his alternative rule were adopted:
“…except for any college basketball player who wants to stay in college after auditioning to determine whether he is good enough to turn pro.”
All in fun!
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@Gorilla72 That article certainly suggests that the NCAA self-administered a major shit-pie into its own face.
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@mayjay @jaybate-1-0 Deal. See, we could solve all the NCAA issues. I’m good with guys coming back. Glad we got Vick back. Just not sure it’s in the best interests of CBB.
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@HighEliteMajor Thanks for taking that in the spirit I intended. Sometimes my jokes fly like lead balloons.
Hey world out there: See, people of different mindsets can choose to get along!
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Won’t we be recruiting agents instead of players?
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KUSTEVE said:
Won’t we be recruiting agents instead of players?
Maybe the goal is to make agents into paid recruiters so that all that shoe money can just slide around schools and back out again until it sticks somewhere. Whoever ends up with it gets penalized so that the new NCAA investigators-for-rent have something to do.
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@mayjay I am envisioning the agent at Bill’s practice, telling him how to “showcase” his star. “Bill, don’t run the hi-lo. I’m going to need for you to set some picks on the perimeter so my guy can shoot the 3 pointer. Now, let’s do it again until you get it right”. This might be what makes Bill go to the NBA.
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@KUSTEVE He would get to the NBA and find that he would be harrangued in the same way not only by agents, but also by the GM, the owner(s), the marketing department, the local and national media, the fans, AND the stars themselves. Quieter in college, and 1/3 the number of games.
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I actually agree with the whole, if you don’t get picked, you can return thing. If you don’t get paid to play it shouldn’t matter. Now the agent thing is a little scary as @KUSTEVE has said, how much will it be about recruiting an agent rather than a player. It will interesting to see how it effects a school like UK, that’s loads up, OADs. Most schools will likely have an agent that caters to them in some way. I really think doing away with the OAD rule would fix a good deal of the issues that are in CBB right now. I’ve read that the NBA players want it to help the older guys keep a roster spot longer but IMO if one year of another player not being in the league is gonna make you broke or jobless, that extra year isn’t gonna make a huge difference.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@mayjay @jaybate-1-0 Deal. See, we could solve all the NCAA issues. I’m good with guys coming back. Glad we got Vick back. Just not sure it’s in the best interests of CBB.
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I’m not either, but I’m looking for some sound reasoning either way. Let me know if something perks out. We are at the essence of amateurism here.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Idk, they didn’t even get a practice player out of the deal…
True, I was only kidding anyways. Sam, at least wasn’t a bust or distraction to the team
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Here is a link with Coach Self’s thoughts on the changes. No doubt that the agent portion and the players being able to come back and scholarship availability are big concerns.
I still think the baseball approach should be implemented. One year players take big advantage of the school; thee school spends a lot of time an resources providing top trainers and coaches, training facilities, school/tutors, room and board and lots of exposure and by the time they start to be really productive they are gone. Top players should be allowed to go straight to the NBA but if they elect to go to college they should stay 3 years which not only makes the sport more stable but also gets them most of the way towards a degree, after all isn’t it why kids go to college…he says trying to keep a straight face.
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@kjayhawks I think we’ll see the World Wide Wes pipeline reopen for Cal. With WWW being an agent, he can funnel players to Kentucky for Cal again.
As shady as it will be, I think Self may need to form a partnership with an agent to funnel players to KU.
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I though agents had to be certified by the NCAA; what are the chances WWW gets certified?..in a perfect world, that is…
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@JayHawkFanToo They have been certified by the NBA Players’ Association, I believe. Not much reason until now for the NCAA to get into it since an agency relationship has always ended eligibility.
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mayjay said:
@JayHawkFanToo They have been certified by the NBA Players’ Association, I believe. Not much reason until now for the NCAA to get into it since an agency relationship has always ended eligibility.
“Among the significant changes that were adopted by the NCAA’s board of governors and Division I board of directors are allowing elite high school basketball recruits and college players to be represented by agents who are certified by the NCAA; allowing eligible underclassmen to enter the NBA draft and return to school if undrafted; introducing more rigorous certification requirements for summer amateur basketball events; and imposing longer postseason bans, suspensions and increased recruiting restrictions for coaches who break rules.”
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@JayHawkFanToo I think that would be a change that is coming as @mayjay is pointing out.
Also the NBA would have to get rid of the age requirement for the high school players to be draft eligible…so why do they need an agent? To help UK get a recruiting edge, he answers his own question.
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We are talking about consequences of the new changes and that was my point. To represent HS kids he would have to be certified by the NCAA as the ESPN write up indicates.
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@JayHawkFanToo Correct I think we are all saying the same thing; up to now it’s been the nba. From here on out it will be the NCAA approving agents.
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Of course. Until now there was no need for the NCAA to certify agents as getting one ended eligibility.
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Slipping … down … the … rat hole.
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If it’s already happening, might as well bring it into broad daylight and regulate it. Really the only way to get rid of the corruption. They can’t control the NBA, but they can control who has contact with their players and how they do it. Seems like this was the smart choice, rather than wait for the NBA to implement anything.
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Here is another take on the changes…
