Jeff Long = New AD
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk What has Self done to open KU up to a potential lawsuits? Because that’s what Petrino did to Arkansas.
And I was also fine with the Mangino firing as well at the time it happened and have never wanted him back either despite his success here.
Lawsuit specifically? Not much. But the program is… ummm… less than squeaky clean… the potential revenue loss from any sanctions are much more than a lawsuit.
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@FarmerJayhawk What potential sanctions has Bill Self been connected to? Suspending a player as soon as Self is informed their eligibility is in question?
Other coaches would’ve played Billy Preston last year because the NCAA never ruled him ineligible. Other coaches would’ve played Cliff Alexander once the payments became known. If the Silvio investigation drags out into next season, guaranteed Silvio is not suited up until there is a definitive ruling on him.
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So now once again I’m confused my friends - imagine that lol. Here we have a poster that says this is TERRIBLE hire , how he hired two terrible hires for Coach’s and off field issues , so he is terrible? - -Yet I in turn, turned right around and read this elsewhere:
Joe Parker ( Athletic Director Colorado State) hmmm imagine that : Jeff is extremely talented leader , recognized as one of the Nations best ( hmmm )
Greg Sankey ( SEC Commissioner ) - -wasn’t this where Jeff came from ? ) Jeff will bring integrity , energy . and relentless work ethic - - -( Whaa? are we talking about the same Jeff -the one a poster said is a terrible hire ? )
Jeff Hughes (Consultant Korn Ferry ) Jeff has more then 16 years experience leading Power 5 programs - -Alum & fan base will see this as a strong step forward toward achieving excellence.
Steve Hatchell ( Executive Director , National football foundation ) Said Jeff epitomizes EVERY quality that is crucial to athletics today. - he has vison - - -is misson oriented – -goal planning, & TERRIFIC work ethic – hmmmm , not what I heard lol. - vast experience at money levels - - knows the Big 12 well. Jeff is EXACTLY what KU needs today, he is not only exceptional athletic director but a good person ( I’m so confused )
Kirby Hocutt ( Texas Tech Athletic Director ) Jeff has always exemplified that he has very high standards of character and integrity ( dam , this is just the opposite of what some say here ) EXCELLENT decision by the University of Kansas.
Bob Golsby ( Big 12 Commissioner ) Jeff is a Veteran who has achieved at the Highest of levels
Bell Hancock ( Executive Director of College Football playoff ) KU couldn’t of hired a better person ( dam all these people saying such positive things - just doesn’t make sense. ) Solid Judgement ? - - -and a world of experience. Get ready because I know your gonna love him.
Condoleezza Rice - - -Jeff is a skilled administrator and a worl of experience. The University of Kansas made a great choice
Lloyd Carr ( former head Coach of Michigan ) Jeff is very tough - - -very fair - - and a person of integrity. ( DASM there is that word again Integrity - - not very good integrity to some people around here ) - - just don’t get it
Joe Castiglione ( Vice President & Director of Athletics Oklahoma ) Hmmm listen to this:— Says Jeff is one of the MOST RESPECTED athletic directors throughout the National landscape – how can this be with his questionable integrity? - -He says fantastic Hire by KU - Joe says he knows that the Big 12 will benefit from Jeff’s input.
Well there you have it boys and girls - Now you can see how I’m confused cause w have people here some saying terrible hire BUT yet others people that’s in the profession - people that know him - -have worked with him or been around him - nothing but props -I just don’t get it. Then have other posers off other sites saying how a lot of Arkansas fan base really PO’D he got fired and say that KU got a terrific hire - - I give up - -but I think I’ll take my chances with this guy. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk What potential sanctions has Bill Self been connected to? Suspending a player as soon as Self is informed their eligibility is in question?
Other coaches would’ve played Billy Preston last year because the NCAA never ruled him ineligible. Other coaches would’ve played Cliff Alexander once the payments became known. If the Silvio investigation drags out into next season, guaranteed Silvio is not suited up until there is a definitive ruling on him.
You answered your own question. If Silvio is ineligible we’ll vacate our FF and Big 12 title. Not saying it’s right, but that’s the penalty.
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@FarmerJayhawk Actually no, the NCAA has yet to say anything about Silvio one way or the other. Should the NCAA retroactively determine Silvio is ineligible and strip KU of the Final Four last year, they need to vacate every game any player and coach named in the FBI report participated in, otherwise the NCAA is setting themselves up for a massive lawsuit to be filed against them.
Lastly, where was Bill Self named in that report in regards to having knowingly committed any potential NCAA infractions? All that report says is that KU was the victim in the Silvio case, not the perpetrators in the case.
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I heard his daughter goes to mizzou
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I heard his daughter goes to mizzou
FIRE HIM NOW :p
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Actually no, the NCAA has yet to say anything about Silvio one way or the other. Should the NCAA retroactively determine Silvio is ineligible and strip KU of the Final Four last year, they need to vacate every game any player and coach named in the FBI report participated in, otherwise the NCAA is setting themselves up for a massive lawsuit to be filed against them.
Lastly, where was Bill Self named in that report in regards to having knowingly committed any potential NCAA infractions? All that report says is that KU was the victim in the Silvio case, not the perpetrators in the case.
Did you see where I said if? I’ve got oceanfront property about 4 hours nw of Lawrence to sell you if you don’t know that coaches don’t have any idea that this kind of thing goes on. If you’re not bending or breaking NCAA rules, you’re not competitive.
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@FarmerJayhawk Thanks for the heads up that every coach cheats. Fire them all and let the players self police themselves to stay honest about cheating then.
Please tell me an allegation against Bill Self that would force KU to fire him the way Long had to fire Petrino at Arkansas.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Thanks for the heads up that every coach cheats. Fire them all and let the players self police themselves to stay honest about cheating then.
Please tell me an allegation against Bill Self that would force KU to fire him the way Long had to fire Petrino at Arkansas.
I’m in favor of not firing guys for the run of the mill stuff. Wait, are you saying fire him because he did it or because people found out?
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There is no way KU is asked to forfeit any games. If it is, programs like Louisville, Arizona and yes, North Carolina, should get the death penalty and this is just not happening.
It appears the NCAA is waiting for the FBI to do the dirty work before becoming involved and we have not heard a peep from the FBI in a while now and we might not for a long time. It would not surprise me if the entire probe is quietly dropped and the NCAA declares a one time general amnesty with tougher rules and penalties moving forward.
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@FarmerJayhawk WTF has Bill Self ever been accused of? I’ve asked you multiple times and you have yet to answer that question so answer it unless you can’t.
If you seriously think I want Bill Self fired for any currently known reason, then you are f-ing stupid.
What Bobby Petrino did forced Jeff Long to fire him because Petrino opened the university up to a major sexual harassment lawsuit. Petrino was on the hiring committee of a woman he was having an affair with at the time and did not disclose that fact to the rest of the committee. Ethical conflict of interest right there. Not illegal, but still a fireable offense. He also paid the woman $20,000 to keep quiet about the affair which became public knowledge after Petrino filed a falsified accident report from a motorcycle crash which was found out during a subsequent investigation. That would make Petrino guilty of bribery and fraud for those two incidents. Both illegal and required immediate action from Arkansas to keep the woman from suing Petrino and the school for sexual harassment which would’ve cost the school a lot of money because of the settlement they would’ve had to pay out and from lost donations from donors.
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@JayHawkFanToo I don’t think anything happens to KU from this. @FarmerJayhawk thinks different so give the speech to him because all I did was take his reasoning to its logical conclusion.
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I don’t think KU gets any sanction from Silvio’s deal. You asked if Self had been linked to anything that could harm KU and that’s certainly one. Also multiple affairs and the possibility of a love child if you must know.
Yeah, I’m familiar with the Petrino story. And yet, I’d still hire him in a heartbeat. And before you ask, no I wouldn’t hire Briles because there’s a huge difference between white collar stuff and covering up violent felonies.
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@FarmerJayhawk Where was Self’s name in the FBI report linking him to the Silvio situation in a way that harmed KU? Unless something new came out, that was Silvio, his guardian, Adidas, and Under Armour involved. The closest Self came to being linked was that KU was determined to be a victim of fraud. Last I checked, being a victim of fraud does not make you guilty of any NCAA infractions.
In regards to your moral compass, adultery, bribery, and lying are all acceptable attributes in a leader and role model for 18-23 year old men, got it.
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Time to turn it down several notches. Let’s agree to disagree and keep it civil without the name calling; we are all Jayhawk fans first and we need to keep this board viable or we will end up at the JW site.
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Everyone calm down, let’s not get the thread locked.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Time to turn it down several notches. Let’s agree to disagree and keep it civil without the name calling; we are all Jayhawk fans first and we need to keep this board viable or we will end up at the JW site.
Thanks bud - I know I’ve had several encounters here myself but like you said and the way to look at it is like you say we just agree to disagree, - -Time to move on from this there isn’t gonna be a clear cut winner in this scenario - everyone is entitled to their opinions - -just leave it at that. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Where was Self’s name in the FBI report linking him to the Silvio situation in a way that harmed KU? Unless something new came out, that was Silvio, his guardian, Adidas, and Under Armour involved. The closest Self came to being linked was that KU was determined to be a victim of fraud. Last I checked, being a victim of fraud does not make you guilty of any NCAA infractions.
In regards to your moral compass, adultery, bribery, and lying are all acceptable attributes in a leader and role model for 18-23 year old men, got it.
If you’re asking if Self was indicted, no. But coaches know this stuff goes on at their program. He’s recruited lots of guys everyone and their dog knew weren’t all on the up and up. Darnell Jackson, Selby, Cliff, Josh, and Billy being the ones that come to mind.
Sometimes it’s the price of doing business. I just don’t get bent out of shape about it. Maybe I’ve been in the field too long to care. But what Petrino did isn’t worth blacklisting the guy if he performs at a higher level than anyone who’s coached at KU.
And you’re not going to convince me and it’s obvious I’m not going to convince you, so have a good one. I’ll admit you’re right if, as you say, Long’s football hires were the worst.
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@FarmerJayhawk Here’s my final words on his football hires at Arkansas. He had to fire one for major off field issues and his second one underachieved to the point that Long was fired for that failure. Clearly something was off in his evaluation process in regards to hiring football coaches at Arkansas given what his reputation supposedly was/is.
That makes me very leery about what kind of job he’ll actually do at Kansas. I don’t give a damn what his reputation is among his peers or the media, I give a damn about what his his hires actually produced and what they produced got Long fired.
My apologies if my dissatisfaction with this hire is based on the fact that Long was fired from Arkansas for essentially the reasons KU just fired Zenger. That’s not something that fills me with a lot of optimism at this point.
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jayballer73 said:
KUSTEVE said:
I wanted to see if anyone wanted to argue about the color of the sky…my faith has been restored…lol.
I’ll argue lol- - just for shits and grins lol - -when you wanna start - -I’ll say it’s Blue & gray lol
No, the day begins with a crimson and blue dawn, goes to blue all day long, and then the sun sets with crimson and blue, too. Clearly, this is a KU world!
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Reading this thread, I am reminded of what Billy Packer (one of my least favorite commentators) once said:
“I may be wrong, but I am never uncertain.”
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Like AD Zenger/HFBCWeiss, I assume Jeff Long comes to Kansas with a football coach in his pocket and ready to assume the job in the next 5 months. Long’s hire is a package deal, right? I’m looking forward to a new direction for KU football.
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@stoptheflop I asked about that yesterday. The two names that came up were Les Miles and Bielema. Willie Fritz and Brady Hoke will also be factors.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@stoptheflop I asked about that yesterday. The two names that came up were Les Miles and Bielema. Willie Fritz and Brady Hoke will also be factors.
Oh man, Les would be great. Added bonus that he is hilarious.
He had a 77% win rate at LSU when they fired him. I wouldn’t expect that at KU especially right off the bat but he probably still has recruiting connections and if he could get the line play respectable that goes a long way. It would also be a zig vs zag situation with him in the B12 since he likes grind it out run the ball football.
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Please let us be a spring board; please let us be a spring board; please let us be a spring board.
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Not to say Miles would take the job. I don’t know if he’s that interested in coaching again. But I think Long will give him a call once Beaty gets canned, probably after the CMU game assuming we lose.
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@FarmerJayhawk Beaty will get longer than CMU this year. The schedule sets up for 6 games a bye then 6 more to end the year. 6 games is what Beaty has this year.
Also, Brady Hoke will not be a factor the KU job if Jeff Long wants to win over the donors. Brady Hoke got worse each year at Michigan. When he took the DC job at Oregon, Oregon was the second worst defense in the country (both ppg and ypg) and went 4-8 in 2016. Last year as the DLine coach at Tennessee, the Vols went 0-8 in the SEC and had the 5th worst run defense in the country.
Nothing Brady Hoke has done since 2012 says he deserves a D1 head coach job, even at Kansas.
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Can Beatty now. Chaos ensues. Folks claim that all of the spring work is wasted. So what. Can Beatty now.
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One thing that we probably aren’t talking about enough with Jeff Long is taking into account the entire athletic department.
Arkansas baseball is consistently one of the top programs in the country. They have gone to the College World Series several times, most recently 2012, 2015 and this season.
The track team is one of the best in the country, with a national title in 2008 and multiple conference triple crowns (indoor, outdoor and cross country titles in the same season). Both the mens and womens programs are successful.
The golf team finished second in the nation in 2009.
KU has often been mens basketball only from an athletic department success standpoint. Long has overseen a department that had success in multiple sports over several years. Perhaps he can help KU with that as well. These are non-revenue sports, but when non-revenue sports get closer to being in the black, the entire athletic department is stronger and healthier as a result.
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I think Willie Fritz has to be on the short list of names Long is considering. I guess it just depends on what direction he wants to go.
@justanotherfan I agree. KU needs to become more competitive in ALL sports.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Beaty will get longer than CMU this year. The schedule sets up for 6 games a bye then 6 more to end the year. 6 games is what Beaty has this year.
Also, Brady Hoke will not be a factor the KU job if Jeff Long wants to win over the donors. Brady Hoke got worse each year at Michigan. When he took the DC job at Oregon, Oregon was the second worst defense in the country (both ppg and ypg) and went 4-8 in 2016. Last year as the DLine coach at Tennessee, the Vols went 0-8 in the SEC and had the 5th worst run defense in the country.
Nothing Brady Hoke has done since 2012 says he deserves a D1 head coach job, even at Kansas.
I don’t like Hoke either. Just passing it along. Hoke and Long go waaaaaayyy back. Played HS football together if memory serves. Long was QB and Hoke was his center.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Please let us be a spring board; please let us be a spring board; please let us be a spring board.
Ah, if we could just be a springboard in the tradition of Miami, Ohio: HOF coaches Sid Gillman, Woody Hayes, Ara Paraseghian, Bo Schembechler all cut their chops there.
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@justanotherfan KU would really be great if debate was a revenue producer…
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Bielema. Easy pick. He would get KU to a bowl game, and we’d have our once in 20 years run of good teams. Then he’ll go somewhere else, and we’ll start again. If KU hires him, maybe him and Klingsbury can slug it out. Bielema would be perfect, imo. He has recruited Texas, and his midwest contacts from back in the day at Wisky would play a lot better than trying to convince midwesterners to go to Bugtussle. I mean, at this point, are there any other Rose Bowl coaches available to risk career suicide by taking on the biggest challenge since football was invented? I personally feel he is a goomer, so the interviews would be quite a drag, but if he can resurrect the program, I’d be willing to pay the price.
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@KUSTEVE Bielema also ticked off some Texas hs coaches talking of how the spread doesn’t work and you need a fullback but he also spanked the daylights outta KSU and Snyder in the liberty bowl a few years back. I think he’s a better coach than anyone we have had in my lifetime not named Mangino or Mason.
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@HighEliteMajor could Bill Self hold him in the palm of his hand and choose to crush him?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t know…ESPN can’t even judge talent between Big10 and other conferences except their nose is so far up the rear of the SEC.
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@Bwag and Trae young, still
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@kjayhawks I would venture there are a pretty large number of coaches in Texas that agree with him, although he sounded like a jerk when he said it. I’ll give him this: he competed in the toughest conference in football. That’s simply a murderer’s row of conference games. To take the Hogs to 3 straight bowl games playing the likes of Bammer, Auburn, LSU, A & M, and Miss St every year is pretty amazing. And the job he did at Wisky was incredible. He isn’t Petrino, but he doesn’t have the character issues, either.
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@KUSTEVE I agree, it would just be interesting to a guy that got the AD fired from his last gig come in to his new gig. I have no doubt he’s a better than what we have had since MM was here.
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If we have no doubt he’s better, would we be better firing Beatty now and just hiring him?
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@KUSTEVE Getting to a bowl game in the SEC is easier than in the B12. The SEC only plays 8 conference games so scheduling 4 cupcakes in nonconference, Texas Tech and Rutgers were two of P5 nonconference opponents so not that difficult of a task to get to 4-0 in nonconference which means an SEC needs to go 2-6 in league play to reach a bowl game. That’s a 25% winning percentage in league play and Arkansas has had a really bad Missouri as their locked in cross division game for the past several years.
Compare that to a B12 schedule that only has 3 nonconference games which means B12 teams have to win 33% of their league games to get to bowl eligibility with a perfect nonconference record.
Even in the SEC West, getting to a bowl game is easier than it is in the B12 because of how their schedule works.
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The SEC does only schedule 8 conference games, but that is because some of their conference teams have an in-state rivalry game with another major conference school each season.
South Carolina and Clemson play every year.
So do Florida and Florida State.
Same for Georgia and Georgia Tech.
Kentucky and Louisville.
Those games take place during the SEC “rivalry week” at the end of November, when the Iron Bowl, Egg Bowl, Battle for the Boot, etc. traditionally take place.
For those schools, it’s like having 9 conference games every year.
Those games are written in stone for those schools. They don’t want a 9th conference game on top of that because it would be like having 10 conference games.
For the schools that don’t have that instate game, they typically schedule another major conference opponent instead.
A&M is playing Clemson this year. Bama has Louisville. Auburn has Washington. Ole Miss plays Texas Tech. Mississippi State plays K-State. LSU plays Miami. Mizzou plays Purdue. Tennessee gets West Virginia. Vandy gets Notre Dame.
The only school that doesn’t have another major conference opponent this season is Arkansas. Saying its easier in the SEC is not true, unless you were to take the Bill Snyder approach to scheduling every year (something that is frowned on in the SEC because so many schools schedule a power conference opponent).
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@justanotherfan The OOC game that only 3 of the SEC teams play in November (UGA/GTech, UF/FSU, and SC/Clem) is not why the SEC stayed at 8 conference games. They stayed because of the cross divisional rivalry games of Alabama/Tennessee and Auburn/Georgia because Alabama is like Texas in that they control the politics of the SEC and they didn’t want a 9th conference game.
The quality nonconference match ups outside of the 3 teams above is very new and because of the CFP and trying to impress voters. Prior to that, it wasn’t uncommon for the mid pack and bad teams to schedule an FCS team in late October/early November (most still do that), and some combination of 3 Sun Belt/MAC/C-USA to get a 4-0 nonconference record so they only needed to get to two SEC wins and get a bowl berth.
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You are correct that Bama led the charge of not wanting the 9th conference game. But the politics of the SEC is somewhat different than the Big 12 in that a handful of schools wield power rather than just two (because so many of the SEC schools make tons of money). The major power brokers in the SEC are Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia and Kentucky. Because of that, if three of those schools are vocal about something, it’s going their way. Bama, Florida and Georgia were vocal about not having a 9th conference game.
That’s why the conference title game was initially held in Birmingham (Alabama’s request), then moved to Atlanta (Georgia’s request, with Florida and Kentucky support). That’s why the basketball tournament is typically in Atlanta (UK preference, with Georgia support).
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I’m interested to see how this hire goes with our basketball interests. I would assume Jeff Long will be in charge of finding the next Basketball Head Coach when Bill Self hangs it up. Hopefully its not anytime soon but when the day comes I hope he’s the type of AD we can respect and appreciate.
He’s got his hands full with the football mess that’s for sure. Fire the one in charge now, take your lumps and make the right hire
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BeddieKU23 said:
I’m interested to see how this hire goes with our basketball interests. I would assume Jeff Long will be in charge of finding the next Basketball Head Coach when Bill Self hangs it up. Hopefully its not anytime soon but when the day comes I hope he’s the type of AD we can respect and appreciate when that time comes.
He’s got his hands full with the football mess that’s for sure. Fire the one in charge now, take your lumps and make the right hire
I bet Bill is involved with finding the next coach when he does step down.
