Jeff Long = New AD
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@justanotherfan Actually, you can hold Long accountable for the hire because Petrino had known significant character flaws before he was hired at Arkansas going back to his first stint at Louisville and with the Atlanta Falcons.
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https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2015/06/15/In-Depth/Long-profile.aspx
Here is a good profile on Long from 2015 when he was voted as the AD of the year.
@HighEliteMajor I would be doing back flips if we could get either Bielema or Petrino.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@justanotherfan Actually, you can hold Long accountable for the hire because Petrino had known significant character flaws before he was hired at Arkansas going back to his first stint at Louisville and with the Atlanta Falcons.
Cool. And I can hold him accountable for finishing 3rd in the country in 2011.
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The sky is blue.
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None of us really know how this will turn out. For all the naysayers, Bielema from my Badger fan perspective was a big loss. No rose bowls since, and mediocrity in the Big 10 championship game has become our reputation. Long’s basketball resume at Arkansas is nothing to brag about. Zenger’s was something to brag about but TV contracts were not. I will wait and see. Maintain hoops of course, and iboost football is what we’d all like to see I think. And personally, I’d like a move to the Big10, make a trade for Nebraska!
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BShark said:
I’m kind of luke warm on this hire. Time will tell. Please save football!
I personally am A D stupid on this as far as his qualifications go - -don’t really know anything - just don’t follow that closely. - However I DO AGREE with you on - is yes please- - please save our football program. I just love College sports and at least like ALL of our programs to be at least competitive.- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@FarmerJayhawk Again total ignorance on my part. Who is this guy you speak of? - -Coach? - -what? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I wanted to see if anyone wanted to argue about the color of the sky…my faith has been restored…lol.
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@FarmerJayhawk GOD he wins 11 games two years in a row at Arkansas - jumpin gee hossa fats were not even close to 11 wins total in how many years? - If he can get us on track to save our really sad football program – I’m all in - - - Plus if he can generate renewed interest in the Alum the boosters to get this project complete/funded - -HELL YA because flat out telling ya facilities are a huge part of recruiting. We get this done and were right there at least closed the gap in facilities - you can do a lot with the purposed renovation/ being funded - -all part of turning this thing around. - If he can make that connection/ spark interest- -HELL YA
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jayballer73 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Again total ignorance on my part. Who is this guy you speak of? - -Coach? - -what? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Long hired Bobby Petrino at Arkansas and finished 3rd in the country back in 2011. The guy knows some football.
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@HighEliteMajor Honestly, I wouldn’t take Petrino or Bielema at this point. Petrino’s off field issues aren’t anything I’d want associated with KU and Bielema won 27% of his SEC games at Arkansas.
There’s very few coaches out there I’d choose Petrino over at this point and Bielema is gonna have to go somewhere else first and regain what he had at Wisconsin first.
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KUSTEVE said:
I wanted to see if anyone wanted to argue about the color of the sky…my faith has been restored…lol.
I’ll argue lol- - just for shits and grins lol - -when you wanna start - -I’ll say it’s Blue & gray lol
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FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Again total ignorance on my part. Who is this guy you speak of? - -Coach? - -what? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Long hired Bobby Petrino at Arkansas and finished 3rd in the country back in 2011. The guy knows some football.
Ahh gotcha thank you for fillin me in - well gives me some hope. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@FarmerJayhawk And you keep ignoring the off field baggage of Petrino which included having an affair with a volleyball player, lying about a motorcycle accident to cover another affair he was having, and that he stole $20,000 from Arkansas.
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I think it’s a great hire, if you look back I posted that I think thought he was one the better guys that could come. I would’ve been fine with Parker from CSU but he hasn’t done anything great, he raised money for a new stadium for a program that hasn’t been great since McElwain left a fairly decent roster to. In regards to Petrino, Long hired a great coach but a guy that cheated on his wife (not right but recent studies show nearly have the married couples in the country are unfaithful). Time will tell if this was a good or bad move, tons of people thought Charlie Weis was a great hire and the Bill Self was a terrible hire. I know we got a guy unlike Zenger, who only had a few years at a small school (Illinois State). Zenger was a used car sales man with hair slicked back that’s all he was.
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@Woodrow THIS IS A FOOTBALL POST!!! IT BELONGS IN THE FOOTBALL SECTION!!! FFS PEOPLE, COME ON!!!
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Remember how risky ANY hire is here. An AD that clashes with Bill Self will end Self’s tenure at Kansas. That’s really what’s at stake (is that better, @Lulufulu?)
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Maybe he was fired by Arkansas because some of the Hog Aumni weren’t happy about him firing Petrino:
https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/jeff-long-not-arkansas-man
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk And you keep ignoring the off field baggage of Petrino which included having an affair with a volleyball player, lying about a motorcycle accident to cover another affair he was having, and that he stole $20,000 from Arkansas.
Ok, I’ll acknowledge he’s less than ideal in the character department. But he won the Orange Bowl at Louisville and the Cotton Bowl at Arkansas. He can flat coach and I’d take bowls every year with the occasional 10+ win season in a heartbeat. Self isn’t a saint either and I’m sure you’ll be calling for his ouster next.
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@FarmerJayhawk What has Self done to open KU up to a potential lawsuits? Because that’s what Petrino did to Arkansas.
And I was also fine with the Mangino firing as well at the time it happened and have never wanted him back either despite his success here.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk What has Self done to open KU up to a potential lawsuits? Because that’s what Petrino did to Arkansas.
And I was also fine with the Mangino firing as well at the time it happened and have never wanted him back either despite his success here.
Lawsuit specifically? Not much. But the program is… ummm… less than squeaky clean… the potential revenue loss from any sanctions are much more than a lawsuit.
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@FarmerJayhawk What potential sanctions has Bill Self been connected to? Suspending a player as soon as Self is informed their eligibility is in question?
Other coaches would’ve played Billy Preston last year because the NCAA never ruled him ineligible. Other coaches would’ve played Cliff Alexander once the payments became known. If the Silvio investigation drags out into next season, guaranteed Silvio is not suited up until there is a definitive ruling on him.
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So now once again I’m confused my friends - imagine that lol. Here we have a poster that says this is TERRIBLE hire , how he hired two terrible hires for Coach’s and off field issues , so he is terrible? - -Yet I in turn, turned right around and read this elsewhere:
Joe Parker ( Athletic Director Colorado State) hmmm imagine that : Jeff is extremely talented leader , recognized as one of the Nations best ( hmmm )
Greg Sankey ( SEC Commissioner ) - -wasn’t this where Jeff came from ? ) Jeff will bring integrity , energy . and relentless work ethic - - -( Whaa? are we talking about the same Jeff -the one a poster said is a terrible hire ? )
Jeff Hughes (Consultant Korn Ferry ) Jeff has more then 16 years experience leading Power 5 programs - -Alum & fan base will see this as a strong step forward toward achieving excellence.
Steve Hatchell ( Executive Director , National football foundation ) Said Jeff epitomizes EVERY quality that is crucial to athletics today. - he has vison - - -is misson oriented – -goal planning, & TERRIFIC work ethic – hmmmm , not what I heard lol. - vast experience at money levels - - knows the Big 12 well. Jeff is EXACTLY what KU needs today, he is not only exceptional athletic director but a good person ( I’m so confused )
Kirby Hocutt ( Texas Tech Athletic Director ) Jeff has always exemplified that he has very high standards of character and integrity ( dam , this is just the opposite of what some say here ) EXCELLENT decision by the University of Kansas.
Bob Golsby ( Big 12 Commissioner ) Jeff is a Veteran who has achieved at the Highest of levels
Bell Hancock ( Executive Director of College Football playoff ) KU couldn’t of hired a better person ( dam all these people saying such positive things - just doesn’t make sense. ) Solid Judgement ? - - -and a world of experience. Get ready because I know your gonna love him.
Condoleezza Rice - - -Jeff is a skilled administrator and a worl of experience. The University of Kansas made a great choice
Lloyd Carr ( former head Coach of Michigan ) Jeff is very tough - - -very fair - - and a person of integrity. ( DASM there is that word again Integrity - - not very good integrity to some people around here ) - - just don’t get it
Joe Castiglione ( Vice President & Director of Athletics Oklahoma ) Hmmm listen to this:— Says Jeff is one of the MOST RESPECTED athletic directors throughout the National landscape – how can this be with his questionable integrity? - -He says fantastic Hire by KU - Joe says he knows that the Big 12 will benefit from Jeff’s input.
Well there you have it boys and girls - Now you can see how I’m confused cause w have people here some saying terrible hire BUT yet others people that’s in the profession - people that know him - -have worked with him or been around him - nothing but props -I just don’t get it. Then have other posers off other sites saying how a lot of Arkansas fan base really PO’D he got fired and say that KU got a terrific hire - - I give up - -but I think I’ll take my chances with this guy. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk What potential sanctions has Bill Self been connected to? Suspending a player as soon as Self is informed their eligibility is in question?
Other coaches would’ve played Billy Preston last year because the NCAA never ruled him ineligible. Other coaches would’ve played Cliff Alexander once the payments became known. If the Silvio investigation drags out into next season, guaranteed Silvio is not suited up until there is a definitive ruling on him.
You answered your own question. If Silvio is ineligible we’ll vacate our FF and Big 12 title. Not saying it’s right, but that’s the penalty.
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@FarmerJayhawk Actually no, the NCAA has yet to say anything about Silvio one way or the other. Should the NCAA retroactively determine Silvio is ineligible and strip KU of the Final Four last year, they need to vacate every game any player and coach named in the FBI report participated in, otherwise the NCAA is setting themselves up for a massive lawsuit to be filed against them.
Lastly, where was Bill Self named in that report in regards to having knowingly committed any potential NCAA infractions? All that report says is that KU was the victim in the Silvio case, not the perpetrators in the case.
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I heard his daughter goes to mizzou
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I heard his daughter goes to mizzou
FIRE HIM NOW :p
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Actually no, the NCAA has yet to say anything about Silvio one way or the other. Should the NCAA retroactively determine Silvio is ineligible and strip KU of the Final Four last year, they need to vacate every game any player and coach named in the FBI report participated in, otherwise the NCAA is setting themselves up for a massive lawsuit to be filed against them.
Lastly, where was Bill Self named in that report in regards to having knowingly committed any potential NCAA infractions? All that report says is that KU was the victim in the Silvio case, not the perpetrators in the case.
Did you see where I said if? I’ve got oceanfront property about 4 hours nw of Lawrence to sell you if you don’t know that coaches don’t have any idea that this kind of thing goes on. If you’re not bending or breaking NCAA rules, you’re not competitive.
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@FarmerJayhawk Thanks for the heads up that every coach cheats. Fire them all and let the players self police themselves to stay honest about cheating then.
Please tell me an allegation against Bill Self that would force KU to fire him the way Long had to fire Petrino at Arkansas.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Thanks for the heads up that every coach cheats. Fire them all and let the players self police themselves to stay honest about cheating then.
Please tell me an allegation against Bill Self that would force KU to fire him the way Long had to fire Petrino at Arkansas.
I’m in favor of not firing guys for the run of the mill stuff. Wait, are you saying fire him because he did it or because people found out?
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There is no way KU is asked to forfeit any games. If it is, programs like Louisville, Arizona and yes, North Carolina, should get the death penalty and this is just not happening.
It appears the NCAA is waiting for the FBI to do the dirty work before becoming involved and we have not heard a peep from the FBI in a while now and we might not for a long time. It would not surprise me if the entire probe is quietly dropped and the NCAA declares a one time general amnesty with tougher rules and penalties moving forward.
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@FarmerJayhawk WTF has Bill Self ever been accused of? I’ve asked you multiple times and you have yet to answer that question so answer it unless you can’t.
If you seriously think I want Bill Self fired for any currently known reason, then you are f-ing stupid.
What Bobby Petrino did forced Jeff Long to fire him because Petrino opened the university up to a major sexual harassment lawsuit. Petrino was on the hiring committee of a woman he was having an affair with at the time and did not disclose that fact to the rest of the committee. Ethical conflict of interest right there. Not illegal, but still a fireable offense. He also paid the woman $20,000 to keep quiet about the affair which became public knowledge after Petrino filed a falsified accident report from a motorcycle crash which was found out during a subsequent investigation. That would make Petrino guilty of bribery and fraud for those two incidents. Both illegal and required immediate action from Arkansas to keep the woman from suing Petrino and the school for sexual harassment which would’ve cost the school a lot of money because of the settlement they would’ve had to pay out and from lost donations from donors.
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@JayHawkFanToo I don’t think anything happens to KU from this. @FarmerJayhawk thinks different so give the speech to him because all I did was take his reasoning to its logical conclusion.
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I don’t think KU gets any sanction from Silvio’s deal. You asked if Self had been linked to anything that could harm KU and that’s certainly one. Also multiple affairs and the possibility of a love child if you must know.
Yeah, I’m familiar with the Petrino story. And yet, I’d still hire him in a heartbeat. And before you ask, no I wouldn’t hire Briles because there’s a huge difference between white collar stuff and covering up violent felonies.
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@FarmerJayhawk Where was Self’s name in the FBI report linking him to the Silvio situation in a way that harmed KU? Unless something new came out, that was Silvio, his guardian, Adidas, and Under Armour involved. The closest Self came to being linked was that KU was determined to be a victim of fraud. Last I checked, being a victim of fraud does not make you guilty of any NCAA infractions.
In regards to your moral compass, adultery, bribery, and lying are all acceptable attributes in a leader and role model for 18-23 year old men, got it.
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Time to turn it down several notches. Let’s agree to disagree and keep it civil without the name calling; we are all Jayhawk fans first and we need to keep this board viable or we will end up at the JW site.
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Everyone calm down, let’s not get the thread locked.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Time to turn it down several notches. Let’s agree to disagree and keep it civil without the name calling; we are all Jayhawk fans first and we need to keep this board viable or we will end up at the JW site.
Thanks bud - I know I’ve had several encounters here myself but like you said and the way to look at it is like you say we just agree to disagree, - -Time to move on from this there isn’t gonna be a clear cut winner in this scenario - everyone is entitled to their opinions - -just leave it at that. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Where was Self’s name in the FBI report linking him to the Silvio situation in a way that harmed KU? Unless something new came out, that was Silvio, his guardian, Adidas, and Under Armour involved. The closest Self came to being linked was that KU was determined to be a victim of fraud. Last I checked, being a victim of fraud does not make you guilty of any NCAA infractions.
In regards to your moral compass, adultery, bribery, and lying are all acceptable attributes in a leader and role model for 18-23 year old men, got it.
If you’re asking if Self was indicted, no. But coaches know this stuff goes on at their program. He’s recruited lots of guys everyone and their dog knew weren’t all on the up and up. Darnell Jackson, Selby, Cliff, Josh, and Billy being the ones that come to mind.
Sometimes it’s the price of doing business. I just don’t get bent out of shape about it. Maybe I’ve been in the field too long to care. But what Petrino did isn’t worth blacklisting the guy if he performs at a higher level than anyone who’s coached at KU.
And you’re not going to convince me and it’s obvious I’m not going to convince you, so have a good one. I’ll admit you’re right if, as you say, Long’s football hires were the worst.
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@FarmerJayhawk Here’s my final words on his football hires at Arkansas. He had to fire one for major off field issues and his second one underachieved to the point that Long was fired for that failure. Clearly something was off in his evaluation process in regards to hiring football coaches at Arkansas given what his reputation supposedly was/is.
That makes me very leery about what kind of job he’ll actually do at Kansas. I don’t give a damn what his reputation is among his peers or the media, I give a damn about what his his hires actually produced and what they produced got Long fired.
My apologies if my dissatisfaction with this hire is based on the fact that Long was fired from Arkansas for essentially the reasons KU just fired Zenger. That’s not something that fills me with a lot of optimism at this point.
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jayballer73 said:
KUSTEVE said:
I wanted to see if anyone wanted to argue about the color of the sky…my faith has been restored…lol.
I’ll argue lol- - just for shits and grins lol - -when you wanna start - -I’ll say it’s Blue & gray lol
No, the day begins with a crimson and blue dawn, goes to blue all day long, and then the sun sets with crimson and blue, too. Clearly, this is a KU world!
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Reading this thread, I am reminded of what Billy Packer (one of my least favorite commentators) once said:
“I may be wrong, but I am never uncertain.”
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Like AD Zenger/HFBCWeiss, I assume Jeff Long comes to Kansas with a football coach in his pocket and ready to assume the job in the next 5 months. Long’s hire is a package deal, right? I’m looking forward to a new direction for KU football.
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@stoptheflop I asked about that yesterday. The two names that came up were Les Miles and Bielema. Willie Fritz and Brady Hoke will also be factors.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@stoptheflop I asked about that yesterday. The two names that came up were Les Miles and Bielema. Willie Fritz and Brady Hoke will also be factors.
Oh man, Les would be great. Added bonus that he is hilarious.
He had a 77% win rate at LSU when they fired him. I wouldn’t expect that at KU especially right off the bat but he probably still has recruiting connections and if he could get the line play respectable that goes a long way. It would also be a zig vs zag situation with him in the B12 since he likes grind it out run the ball football.
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Please let us be a spring board; please let us be a spring board; please let us be a spring board.
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Not to say Miles would take the job. I don’t know if he’s that interested in coaching again. But I think Long will give him a call once Beaty gets canned, probably after the CMU game assuming we lose.
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@FarmerJayhawk Beaty will get longer than CMU this year. The schedule sets up for 6 games a bye then 6 more to end the year. 6 games is what Beaty has this year.
Also, Brady Hoke will not be a factor the KU job if Jeff Long wants to win over the donors. Brady Hoke got worse each year at Michigan. When he took the DC job at Oregon, Oregon was the second worst defense in the country (both ppg and ypg) and went 4-8 in 2016. Last year as the DLine coach at Tennessee, the Vols went 0-8 in the SEC and had the 5th worst run defense in the country.
Nothing Brady Hoke has done since 2012 says he deserves a D1 head coach job, even at Kansas.
