KU Elite 8 game chat
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We are doing some things well: Bagley 5 pts, 3 rbs. RCJH
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We look like a 12-0 run is bound to happen. Have to attack Carter right away and get him his 4th. If that happens, we win this game.
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Vick is 2/9 w 4 Turnovers
and we are in a 3 pt shooting trough @jaybate-1-0
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BeddieKU23 said:
Turnovers rimmed out 3s and missed layups. At least we are not playing tight but we have to go on runs in the 2nd
Very rough.
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KU is up 24-18 in rebounds against Duke, that’s keeping it close, cutting out turnovers and we’re up 5-6 points right now.
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The trough theory is made up. We could just as easily shoot 7-14 in the 2nd half and end up shooting 40% and still lose this game.
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Self very clearly determined he isn’t letting Bagley win this game. Both of his makes are on oboards.
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Execution is everything at this level. Really bad half for KU and -3 is going to be very tough to dig out of when Duke makes shots
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So, Vick has been bad. Start DeSousa and Doke? Might make Duke’s zone get 4 defenders off that three point line a bit.
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I’’m encouraged overall. We’re in good shape.
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@Kcmatt7 when you are shooting 15% below your average you are in a trough. it’s it a theory. it is an observation.
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jaybate 1.0 said:
Execution is everything at this level. Really bad half for KU and -3 is going to be very tough to dig out of when Duke makes shots
Who is to say Duke will start hitting shots consistently? They aren’t a great shooting team. I like the defensive gameplan.
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@Buster-1926
Graham is 3-6 and 2-5 from 3. Not bad.
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graham putting too much pressure on himself to get to the FF. Shooting air balls ?
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HighEliteMajor said:
So, Vick has been bad. Start DeSousa and Doke? Might make Duke’s zone get 4 defenders off that three point line a bit.
I’m so confused as to why it has to be Vick or Garrett in the high post. I’d put Svi there and see how that goes.
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man we just got to get some of our 3’s to fall and of Course Duval ain’t done doggie doo most of the year and today of all days he decides to go off gonna be huge the first couple of minutes in the 2nd half - -Duke has the ball to open
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Only reason we have more boards is we have missed a ton of shots. I’m encouraged that balls are bouncing our ways off misses. But to win this game we gotta make shots. Nothing else matters. Shoot 60% this half and win. Shoot 40 and lose
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JayHawkFanToo said:
@Buster-1926
Graham is 3-6 and 2-5 from 3. Not bad.
Graham isn’t the issue. Vick is the main issue on offense. If we keep trying to run offense through him this is ending in a loss. Self is being stubborn again and it’s going to bite him.
Newman has missed some shots too but overall he was decent.
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HighEliteMajor said:
So, Vick has been bad. Start DeSousa and Doke? Might make Duke’s zone get 4 defenders off that three point line a bit.
Can we defend with that lineup our gameplay has worked decent so far.
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Put Graham in the middle and run Svi baseline!
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Newman and Vick are 0-5 from 3, Svi and Devonté 4-9.
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@Blown You aren’t considering what the other team has done defensively. And you aren’t considering runs. Once the game is over you can call it that if we are still shooting 28% from 3.
Duke hasn’t allowed a good 3 point shooting night since February 3rd. We are currently shooting the 6th best of the 13 games they have played since St. Johns. We are shooting what we shoot and they are defending how they defend. Pretty on par for both teams. Not a trough.
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The find away boys have got to wake up and execute what Self has schemed for them.
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Kcmatt7 said:
We look like a 12-0 run is bound to happen. Have to attack Carter right away and get him his 4th. If that happens, we win this game.
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Blown said:
graham putting too much pressure on himself to get to the FF. Shooting air balls ?
On a great look he has made all season long
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The inside corners are open. Jackson would eat this zone alive.
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Halftime:
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2 rim outs and 2 long boards that led to baskets… tough break when we rely so much on it
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Interesting
But hasn’t Self said they haven’t practiced with that? Or have they?
HighEliteMajor said:
So, Vick has been bad. Start DeSousa and Doke? Might make Duke’s zone get 4 defenders off that three point line a bit.
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Cut down the TOs, get some 3s to drop and this game is ours.
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Everything Self schemed worked but our guys were not recognizing the obvious because duke kept shifting zones. It’s the best multiple defens I ever recall
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BigBad said:
Put Graham in the middle and run Svi baseline!
I’d be open to trying Graham, Newman and Svi in the middle at this point.
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I bet Graham, Svi, and Newman go to the bucket more this half. Go through middle and reverse the ball for open shots.
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@BeddieKU23 was never a good matchup for us. A team with size that takes away the 3.
Yet somehow we are only down 3 and could just as easily be up. Selfs gameplan has been better than Ks. I think we look better than them right now.
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If they keep that zone, I don’t know who you put in those inside corners. Vick isn’t ready to be the man. Like Washington, who dared Vick to win the game for us. He scored 28, but we lost the game. Svi is an interesting idea, but he needs to be on the outside.
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jaybate 1.0 said:
The find away boys have got to wake up and execute what Self has schemed for them.
Self’s offensive scheme tonight is poor, he should have learned his lesson from previous zone teams he played this year.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@Blown You aren’t considering what the other team has done defensively. And you aren’t considering runs. Once the game is over you can call it that if we are still shooting 28% from 3.
Duke hasn’t allowed a good 3 point shooting night since February 3rd. We are currently shooting the 6th best of the 13 games they have played since St. Johns. We are shooting what we shoot and they are defending how they defend. Pretty on par for both teams. Not a trough.
Facts.
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@Kcmatt7 Kansas shoots 52% against zones so they are down 24% from their average actually. i refer to a trough as a valley in performance based on this 1/2 if basketball only. hopefully they can get it up to 42-44% by the end of the game.
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So far Duke has shown:
1-3-1
2-1-2
3-2
2-3
And I saw one of Self’s old 3-2 junk zones one possessions.
Zero way to prepare a team for this second game of 2 in 3
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tundrahok said:
The inside corners are open. Jackson would eat this zone alive.
If you swap JJ for Vick this team probably only has like 2-3 losses.
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@Blown you can’t just consider what one team does. Especially when those numbers are inflated because we have never faced a zone team with this much talent.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Only reason we have more boards is we have missed a ton of shots. I’m encouraged that balls are bouncing our ways off misses. But to win this game we gotta make shots. Nothing else matters. Shoot 60% this half and win. Shoot 40 and lose
Duke missed 1 fewer shot than KU, we’re legitimately outrebounding them so far.
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@jaybate-1.0 Wright will do the same kind of crap if KU pulls off a miracle and wins this game. Which I severely doubt.
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@Kcmatt7 sure i can. i’m not trying to publish a thesis. Ku is shooting well below their average. There is no arguing that point
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We need to start driving the zone more. Their wings play to high up to get back to help.
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Does anyone know if Mitch is alive? Might try him at the 4 in the same type of role as Vick idk at this point…
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The best answer is to start hitting shots. Let it fly! That’s Self’s mantra for today’s game. Who woulda thunk that? It’s a far cry from fool’s gold!
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@Blown than your post is simply ignorant. No arguing that.
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@Kcmatt7 at least you win the insult of the day award.
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Self will come up with something, but if the players can’t read the defenses it’s hopeless unless Duke keeps missing
