Border War to start back up??
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@KUSTEVE I am with you. I am not against raising money for anyone that has had to go thru what all these people have endured. Here is my selfish side. Has anyone considered that we only have 8 players (9 after first semester) to run thru 30 some odd games this season? While playing this good deed game, what if Udoka were to injure his hand again, or Devonte were to suffer an ankle or knee injury? Or God forbid, any injury to any of our very thin roster. Our season is over!!! Yes, that could happen in any game, or even practice, but this is a game that is being added to our schedule that we had not counted on playing. I would hope that the powers that be could come up with other ways to raise money without putting our players at risk. Yes I am very much against this game, be it Fizzou or anyone. Guess we had better hope and pray for the best.
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I am perplexed with Bill’s change of heart.
I never threw away my old deer antler rack I used to stick in my grill when visiting Columbia. Guess I can dust that off.
Question for everyone… how long before the regular season rivalry is restored?
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@jaybate-1-0 I hate dontating money too. THE worst. God forbid our university be associated with it in any way. I hope our current students and future alumni follow our current alumni’s lead and make sure that we never donate money to a good cause ever again. WHAT A PR NIGHTMARE! Self should probably be fired for this complete F-up. Absolutely embarrassing. If he ever even thinks about raising over a million dollars for charity again, he might as well pack up his office for good. Because I, for one, can’t stand when people can put aside their differences for a good cause. Just like the government, if it is bipartisan and good for the country, we probably shouldn’t do it.
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drgnslayr said:
I am perplexed with Bill’s change of heart.
I never threw away my old deer antler rack I used to stick in my grill when visiting Columbia. Guess I can dust that off.
Question for everyone… how long before the regular season rivalry is restored?
Self says this will have no impact on that and he still doesn’t want to play them in a game that counts.
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I suspect the actual gameplay will feel more like the NBA all-star game than a competitive game because that’s how you minimize the injury risks and still entertain the crowd.
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KUSTEVE said:
It’s been announced: we play Misery October 22nd:
What a farse. Bill could raise more money just by asking. Wish I was wealthy enough to buy all the seats and make sure that sucker looks like a typical Missouri game. I’d hate for them to get spoiled by our crowd.
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Loyal fans supporting the team.
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mayjay said:
I’d support that if it raised money. One huge caveat: Little Rocket Man does NOT get Big Dennis Rodman on his team.
Not buying this “if it raises money” argument for following reasons:
a.) not a big enough share will go to charity (too much will get pocketed before it reaches those in need), so they’ve got to come forward with the percentage of dollars raised that will get to those in need first;
b.) we can all pass the hat without playing Fizzou, and then the money won’t be tainted with historical slavery and recent racism;
c.) already gave money without having to say the word Fizzou; and
d.) will never consider doing anything with Fizzou unless Missourah Governor promises to donate all proceeds from Missourah meth production until Missourah stops all meth production.
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Best thing to happen to mizzou basketball since…
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@jaybate-1.0 Who will be pocketing money?
What does Meth have to do with donating money and why would that be a caveat of yours in this scenario?
Please pass the hat around and see if you can raise $1m+ to donate. Let me know how much you get.
How would this game be tainted with slavery and recent racism?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Looks like a picture of Memorial Stadium…
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@Kcmatt7 but it isnt
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@Kcmatt7 We will end up taking our medicine, but we don’t have to like it. This feels like Quantrill’s Raiders all over again.
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@BShark I read that. Mellinger is obsessed with trying to pressure KU into playing the egg sucking dogs every year. I think the exhibition takes the heat off Bill for not scheduling them from those that are caterwauling about us not playing them. smart strategic move on his part, although I would prefer we played UMKC. I think the draw would be about the same because our fanbase would buy up all the tickets. If we’re being made to pimp a program, I’d prefer UMKC.
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@KUSTEVE I actually agree with that. I would have preferred UMKC too.
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I had no idea there was such support for MU here, kinda makes me sick. Showing true colors??? Personally I’d rather see them burn (along with Nebraska, Colorado, and Tamu). Now how can KU say no when the SEC/Big12 challenge wants to pair them in the future? I know I rather see KU play Kentucky or Florida than Missouri.
How much money could this game raise? $200,000-500,000? $50/ ticket at 22,000 seats (price it any higher and it will be mostly empty) Gotta pay the staff and police for crowd control. It’s not fair to ask the tax payers of KC to pay for this charity event.
I still say Bill could raise over a $ million just by asking for donations and 100% of it would go to the charity.
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@KUSTEVE you just compared a basketball game to a massacre of 200 people.
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@dylans I had no idea there were so many people here that are against donating money to charity. Talk about showing true colors.
Posted this earlier. The City doesn’t run the Sprint Center. It is ran by another company. The City doesn’t pay for the Sprint Center using funds made at Sprint Center. Instead it uses funds from a hotel and rental car tax.
The deal the City has set up is this: AEG Worldwide operates the arena. They get the first 16% of whatever gets made. Then it is a 50-50 split on the remaining 84% at the end of the year. City gets no say on if AEG would like to donate this as a charity game or not.
And, the tickets will average closer to $100 a pop when it is all said and done. That is $1,800,000 before they pay anyone. Even if they have to pay police and staff, they are looking at $1M. And, Bill said that he thinks this will raise $1M.
How does this game effect KU in any way. How does this game prop up MU in any way? The game won’t even be televised Nationally. It is almost literally a pickup game that will be televised.
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Bill Self’s dad suggested they do this is what I read somewhere.
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@KUSTEVE UMKC wouldn’t have sold out in a weeks time. Can’t sell out Georgia at the Sprint Center with months and months of notice. And you couldn’t sell court side seats to it for $1,000ish a pop.
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Ok MUMatt.
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I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that this isn’t the only way to generate donations. I didn’t say don’t donate. I said don’t sell your soul. There is a major difference.
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dylans said:
Ok MUMatt.
A real clever one are we?
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@dylans But how can you raise as much money as possible?
“The opportunity to make an impact on those suffering as result of the hurricanes, through the game of basketball, is a great opportunity for our program,” Kansas coach Bill Self said. “How can we raise money to send to others? To me that trumped everything else that we could possibly do.”
Bill says exactly how I feel on this subject. And unless you can find me a way for a surefire $1M to be raised in a weeks time, maybe you should think about your own stance on it.
I just don’t understand how an untelevised practice game is selling our soul. I would like to be enlightened though, if you could help me with that? Maybe I just don’t see your side of it. I do in fact hate Mizzou. But, I do my best to not let emotion make my decisions in life. This game being played is logical from my viewpoint. I would like to understand yours if you could list out the reasons that you do not want this game played with an explanation. Feel free to write as long of a post as you need to be able to articulate your views, because I’ll be more than happy to read it.
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There are over 300 other Basketball teams that KU could play to accomplish the same goal. I feel KU could make MORE just by playing in Allen Fieldhouse and then they could control 100% of the costs to ensure the money gets where it is supposed to go. If it’s truly for charity wouldn’t UNC like some good pub about now? Or how about Kentucky/ Duke? Would they publicly pass on an opportunity to raise money for charity? How about playing Texas in Texas to raise money for Texans? I don’t see a good argument FOR missouri therefore I don’t see a need to further denounce them. (Game of throne’s reference here) It’s like the people who like the Lannisters. It doesn’t matter how dastardly they are the temptations are too great to stay away for the weak willed.
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@dylans Read the article, there are not 300 teams. The realistic options are teams within bus range. 100% would rather do it with UMKC though.
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@dylans Ok, but run the logistics of those suggestions through your head now. Do 16k people drop what they are doing next week to watch UMKC vs KU? Probably not. Can’t get big donors to even show up for games they probably paid $1k a ticket for early in the season.
You have to keep it close enough that teams bus in. And the only other team that could sell out Sprint Center and bus in so that way both teams can keep a normal practice schedule is MU.
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How about WSU? We owe those suckers! And they aren’t scum that tried to bomb our conference. Oh and they are a top 10 team. And a team that has sent us home recently. WSU is equally as unlikeable, much less shady, a better team than MU, and doesn’t piss half the fan base off. Also you can play the game in Lawrence or Wichita to keep the tax boon from the game staying in state. I hate that the soulless sprint center is in MO.
That is but one of the hundreds of other teams KU could be playing…
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@dylans Not sure WSU would do it.
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@BShark If KU fans wouldn’t buy up the tickets WSU fans would. That would add insult to injury after they likely whoop us in the scrimmage while taking it waaay too seriously. Marshall would probably get tossed…
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Can it go that way?
Do you think the Mizzou players can go back on campus with their heads held high after playing a fluff game with Kansas?
I believe they are getting a lot of heat to really go all out and kick our arses. Meanwhile, we are treating this like an all-star game…
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@dylans I would have been for WSU as well. And would have gone to that game too. But, I still don’t think it would have sold out for as much per ticket in a weeks time. Which would have meant it raised less money. Which is the only aspect I care about when it is all said and done. What team can we play that allows us to donate the most money. And I just feel like Mizzou is actually that team on short notice.
I don’t want to play Mizzou in a regular season game. At all. But this, I can put my hatred aside.
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I wonder how many people who logistically can’t make it to a game would simply donate if asked? Maybe I’m missing it, but I still haven’t seen either university ask for cash donations. And if so when did this start? On day one or just this week? So I don’t feel as though the intentions are sincere which further increases my unwillingness to play Missouri.
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So what happens if we lose the scrimmage?
We will never hear the end of it. Never.
And then we are just going to remain silent and distant while being called “Chickenhawks” by the entire world?
I convinced myself long ago we need to kick this rivalry back up. It is a huge national event that has Kansas basketball in it. It’s always real games instead of just another milktoast game. It can only help us get ready for March.
And actually, NOW is the time to bring it back so we can bump off the UK vs UL game as THE big rivalry game in college basketball. Someone is going to step up and take that mantle now. Might as well be us. Otherwise… it will be Duke vs UNC.
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@dylans What if the idea never came to Bill until just recently? Someone said his dad was the one to suggest it. If you feel it is insincere there is probably nothing that can be said to change your mind and I’ll gladly agree to disagree now that I understand your point of view better.
And I think that there is the assumption that, if you want to just donate, you should. But this is an attempt to get money from those who otherwise wouldn’t donate.
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@drgnslayr We move on and don’t care about it because it’s a scrimmage. Mizzfans are dumb and wouldn’t shut up about it that’s for sure though.
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@drgnslayr If we lose, we lose. Hasn’t WSU been calling us the Chickenhawks for years? Recruiting still seems fine. Program seems to be humming along like usual.
I do think it needs to be brought back at some point. But I’m not sure now is the time to officially, officially bring it back. If we don’t bring it back soon enough though, it could be a rivalry that is lost. Which would be sad in my opinion. I think one Mizzou is a decent program again, it would only benefit us recruiting in KCMO and STL to whoop their a** every year.
I just think we need to wait until basically everyone who was involved with both universities during Mizzou’s switch to the SEC is gone. At that point, I think everyone should be able to bury the hatchet.
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I have a hard time believing Bill didn’t realize what was going on or that charity ball events are possible. Jaded I guess. But I’ve lost a ton of respect for Bill over this one. Just last year he was never going to play MU again as long as he had a say in it. I’d rather this was forced upon the program by the powers that be, than Bill’s idea (or his Dad’s). I hate everything about it. He had better win a ton of games in March to pay for the collateral damage.
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@drgnslayr To hell with any validity to this madness or risking injuries to key personnel. I think he should only play walk ons & scout team. misery may just play whack a mole’. I say F_ them slavers … What this really accomplishes is what they wanted since becoming an irrelevant element of the sec - Re open the door to the KC market they walked out on. Kinda like wantin to go back & sleep with the ex after the D. This only amounts to the screwin they get for the screwin you got.
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A heck of a lot of anger and emotion being expended on a charity event. Much as I hate to say it, much of our fanbase is justifying @HighEliteMajor’s accusations all along.
Maybe people should go back and read Lincoln’s 2nd Innaugural Address. “With malice toward none and charity for all…” He was trying to wind down an actual Civil War and bring a country together. Pretty sure those of you objecting, if you had lived back then, would have accused him of being a sell out (as HCBS is being accused), and instead of healing wounds would have not rested until every last Reb was hanged.
And since it didn’t happen then, well, by crickey, let’s keep the hatred alive and get 'em now.
“Charity for all?” Oh, hell no! Not of it isn’t set up the way we want!
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Wichita State would have sold out every bit as fast.
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Never said otherwise.
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@mayjay Thank you for making me not feel like an insane person.
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@dylans Sad & sorry to say but a lot of middle America needs an “event” to be charitable - like golf tourneys, & tax shelters & so on … just philanthropy by itself is not common for the middle class. Johnny Morris, Gary Morsch, or Bob Hope yeah. But Joe Schmoe likes his special interests served with a little tax credit on the side.
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@mayjay I’m glad Hitler didn’t ask to play hoops for charity. We’d have to pay to watch or be acccused of being heartless jerks whom bathe in the tears of our country men. Crazy. No one has said charity is bad. Many are just questioning wether the end justifies the means. (Hint it never does if you have to ask)
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@globaljaybird What will be interesting is to see how the ticketed event gets valued for tax purposes. You can only deduct the amount that is in excess of the fair value of the event for which you receive admission. The ticket receipt had better spell this out. Maybe they will say it is free and the entire price is the donation. I hope they figure this out or the deducting fans might be unhappy to find out they are limited to $10 to $100 or so depending on location.
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@dylans MU is Hitler? So, Self must be akin to Philippe Pétain, and the rest of us should be tried for collaborating?
“When one’s life is centered singlemindedly around defeating the enemies one has or perceives he has, there is a deep risk of becoming much like one’s own worst enemy.”
