Border War to start back up??
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Best thing to happen to mizzou basketball since…
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@jaybate-1.0 Who will be pocketing money?
What does Meth have to do with donating money and why would that be a caveat of yours in this scenario?
Please pass the hat around and see if you can raise $1m+ to donate. Let me know how much you get.
How would this game be tainted with slavery and recent racism?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Looks like a picture of Memorial Stadium…
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@Kcmatt7 but it isnt
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@Kcmatt7 We will end up taking our medicine, but we don’t have to like it. This feels like Quantrill’s Raiders all over again.
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@BShark I read that. Mellinger is obsessed with trying to pressure KU into playing the egg sucking dogs every year. I think the exhibition takes the heat off Bill for not scheduling them from those that are caterwauling about us not playing them. smart strategic move on his part, although I would prefer we played UMKC. I think the draw would be about the same because our fanbase would buy up all the tickets. If we’re being made to pimp a program, I’d prefer UMKC.
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@KUSTEVE I actually agree with that. I would have preferred UMKC too.
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I had no idea there was such support for MU here, kinda makes me sick. Showing true colors??? Personally I’d rather see them burn (along with Nebraska, Colorado, and Tamu). Now how can KU say no when the SEC/Big12 challenge wants to pair them in the future? I know I rather see KU play Kentucky or Florida than Missouri.
How much money could this game raise? $200,000-500,000? $50/ ticket at 22,000 seats (price it any higher and it will be mostly empty) Gotta pay the staff and police for crowd control. It’s not fair to ask the tax payers of KC to pay for this charity event.
I still say Bill could raise over a $ million just by asking for donations and 100% of it would go to the charity.
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@KUSTEVE you just compared a basketball game to a massacre of 200 people.
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@dylans I had no idea there were so many people here that are against donating money to charity. Talk about showing true colors.
Posted this earlier. The City doesn’t run the Sprint Center. It is ran by another company. The City doesn’t pay for the Sprint Center using funds made at Sprint Center. Instead it uses funds from a hotel and rental car tax.
The deal the City has set up is this: AEG Worldwide operates the arena. They get the first 16% of whatever gets made. Then it is a 50-50 split on the remaining 84% at the end of the year. City gets no say on if AEG would like to donate this as a charity game or not.
And, the tickets will average closer to $100 a pop when it is all said and done. That is $1,800,000 before they pay anyone. Even if they have to pay police and staff, they are looking at $1M. And, Bill said that he thinks this will raise $1M.
How does this game effect KU in any way. How does this game prop up MU in any way? The game won’t even be televised Nationally. It is almost literally a pickup game that will be televised.
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Bill Self’s dad suggested they do this is what I read somewhere.
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@KUSTEVE UMKC wouldn’t have sold out in a weeks time. Can’t sell out Georgia at the Sprint Center with months and months of notice. And you couldn’t sell court side seats to it for $1,000ish a pop.
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Ok MUMatt.
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I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that this isn’t the only way to generate donations. I didn’t say don’t donate. I said don’t sell your soul. There is a major difference.
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dylans said:
Ok MUMatt.
A real clever one are we?
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@dylans But how can you raise as much money as possible?
“The opportunity to make an impact on those suffering as result of the hurricanes, through the game of basketball, is a great opportunity for our program,” Kansas coach Bill Self said. “How can we raise money to send to others? To me that trumped everything else that we could possibly do.”
Bill says exactly how I feel on this subject. And unless you can find me a way for a surefire $1M to be raised in a weeks time, maybe you should think about your own stance on it.
I just don’t understand how an untelevised practice game is selling our soul. I would like to be enlightened though, if you could help me with that? Maybe I just don’t see your side of it. I do in fact hate Mizzou. But, I do my best to not let emotion make my decisions in life. This game being played is logical from my viewpoint. I would like to understand yours if you could list out the reasons that you do not want this game played with an explanation. Feel free to write as long of a post as you need to be able to articulate your views, because I’ll be more than happy to read it.
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There are over 300 other Basketball teams that KU could play to accomplish the same goal. I feel KU could make MORE just by playing in Allen Fieldhouse and then they could control 100% of the costs to ensure the money gets where it is supposed to go. If it’s truly for charity wouldn’t UNC like some good pub about now? Or how about Kentucky/ Duke? Would they publicly pass on an opportunity to raise money for charity? How about playing Texas in Texas to raise money for Texans? I don’t see a good argument FOR missouri therefore I don’t see a need to further denounce them. (Game of throne’s reference here) It’s like the people who like the Lannisters. It doesn’t matter how dastardly they are the temptations are too great to stay away for the weak willed.
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@dylans Read the article, there are not 300 teams. The realistic options are teams within bus range. 100% would rather do it with UMKC though.
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@dylans Ok, but run the logistics of those suggestions through your head now. Do 16k people drop what they are doing next week to watch UMKC vs KU? Probably not. Can’t get big donors to even show up for games they probably paid $1k a ticket for early in the season.
You have to keep it close enough that teams bus in. And the only other team that could sell out Sprint Center and bus in so that way both teams can keep a normal practice schedule is MU.
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How about WSU? We owe those suckers! And they aren’t scum that tried to bomb our conference. Oh and they are a top 10 team. And a team that has sent us home recently. WSU is equally as unlikeable, much less shady, a better team than MU, and doesn’t piss half the fan base off. Also you can play the game in Lawrence or Wichita to keep the tax boon from the game staying in state. I hate that the soulless sprint center is in MO.
That is but one of the hundreds of other teams KU could be playing…
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@dylans Not sure WSU would do it.
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@BShark If KU fans wouldn’t buy up the tickets WSU fans would. That would add insult to injury after they likely whoop us in the scrimmage while taking it waaay too seriously. Marshall would probably get tossed…
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Can it go that way?
Do you think the Mizzou players can go back on campus with their heads held high after playing a fluff game with Kansas?
I believe they are getting a lot of heat to really go all out and kick our arses. Meanwhile, we are treating this like an all-star game…
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@dylans I would have been for WSU as well. And would have gone to that game too. But, I still don’t think it would have sold out for as much per ticket in a weeks time. Which would have meant it raised less money. Which is the only aspect I care about when it is all said and done. What team can we play that allows us to donate the most money. And I just feel like Mizzou is actually that team on short notice.
I don’t want to play Mizzou in a regular season game. At all. But this, I can put my hatred aside.
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I wonder how many people who logistically can’t make it to a game would simply donate if asked? Maybe I’m missing it, but I still haven’t seen either university ask for cash donations. And if so when did this start? On day one or just this week? So I don’t feel as though the intentions are sincere which further increases my unwillingness to play Missouri.
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So what happens if we lose the scrimmage?
We will never hear the end of it. Never.
And then we are just going to remain silent and distant while being called “Chickenhawks” by the entire world?
I convinced myself long ago we need to kick this rivalry back up. It is a huge national event that has Kansas basketball in it. It’s always real games instead of just another milktoast game. It can only help us get ready for March.
And actually, NOW is the time to bring it back so we can bump off the UK vs UL game as THE big rivalry game in college basketball. Someone is going to step up and take that mantle now. Might as well be us. Otherwise… it will be Duke vs UNC.
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@dylans What if the idea never came to Bill until just recently? Someone said his dad was the one to suggest it. If you feel it is insincere there is probably nothing that can be said to change your mind and I’ll gladly agree to disagree now that I understand your point of view better.
And I think that there is the assumption that, if you want to just donate, you should. But this is an attempt to get money from those who otherwise wouldn’t donate.
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@drgnslayr We move on and don’t care about it because it’s a scrimmage. Mizzfans are dumb and wouldn’t shut up about it that’s for sure though.
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@drgnslayr If we lose, we lose. Hasn’t WSU been calling us the Chickenhawks for years? Recruiting still seems fine. Program seems to be humming along like usual.
I do think it needs to be brought back at some point. But I’m not sure now is the time to officially, officially bring it back. If we don’t bring it back soon enough though, it could be a rivalry that is lost. Which would be sad in my opinion. I think one Mizzou is a decent program again, it would only benefit us recruiting in KCMO and STL to whoop their a** every year.
I just think we need to wait until basically everyone who was involved with both universities during Mizzou’s switch to the SEC is gone. At that point, I think everyone should be able to bury the hatchet.
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I have a hard time believing Bill didn’t realize what was going on or that charity ball events are possible. Jaded I guess. But I’ve lost a ton of respect for Bill over this one. Just last year he was never going to play MU again as long as he had a say in it. I’d rather this was forced upon the program by the powers that be, than Bill’s idea (or his Dad’s). I hate everything about it. He had better win a ton of games in March to pay for the collateral damage.
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@drgnslayr To hell with any validity to this madness or risking injuries to key personnel. I think he should only play walk ons & scout team. misery may just play whack a mole’. I say F_ them slavers … What this really accomplishes is what they wanted since becoming an irrelevant element of the sec - Re open the door to the KC market they walked out on. Kinda like wantin to go back & sleep with the ex after the D. This only amounts to the screwin they get for the screwin you got.
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A heck of a lot of anger and emotion being expended on a charity event. Much as I hate to say it, much of our fanbase is justifying @HighEliteMajor’s accusations all along.
Maybe people should go back and read Lincoln’s 2nd Innaugural Address. “With malice toward none and charity for all…” He was trying to wind down an actual Civil War and bring a country together. Pretty sure those of you objecting, if you had lived back then, would have accused him of being a sell out (as HCBS is being accused), and instead of healing wounds would have not rested until every last Reb was hanged.
And since it didn’t happen then, well, by crickey, let’s keep the hatred alive and get 'em now.
“Charity for all?” Oh, hell no! Not of it isn’t set up the way we want!
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Wichita State would have sold out every bit as fast.
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Never said otherwise.
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@mayjay Thank you for making me not feel like an insane person.
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@dylans Sad & sorry to say but a lot of middle America needs an “event” to be charitable - like golf tourneys, & tax shelters & so on … just philanthropy by itself is not common for the middle class. Johnny Morris, Gary Morsch, or Bob Hope yeah. But Joe Schmoe likes his special interests served with a little tax credit on the side.
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@mayjay I’m glad Hitler didn’t ask to play hoops for charity. We’d have to pay to watch or be acccused of being heartless jerks whom bathe in the tears of our country men. Crazy. No one has said charity is bad. Many are just questioning wether the end justifies the means. (Hint it never does if you have to ask)
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@globaljaybird What will be interesting is to see how the ticketed event gets valued for tax purposes. You can only deduct the amount that is in excess of the fair value of the event for which you receive admission. The ticket receipt had better spell this out. Maybe they will say it is free and the entire price is the donation. I hope they figure this out or the deducting fans might be unhappy to find out they are limited to $10 to $100 or so depending on location.
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@dylans MU is Hitler? So, Self must be akin to Philippe Pétain, and the rest of us should be tried for collaborating?
“When one’s life is centered singlemindedly around defeating the enemies one has or perceives he has, there is a deep risk of becoming much like one’s own worst enemy.”
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@dylans So Bill Self is Hitler in this scenario?
Just to keep a list of things that have been said.
- This game has been compared to Lawrence being burned to the ground and the murdering of 200 people.
- Bill Self has now been compared to Hitler.
- We would rather play a game against the North Koreans than Mizzou.
Edit: Sorry, apparently MU not Bill Self was compared to Hitler. Where it says Bill Self in my post above, please read MU.
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@Kcmatt7 Don’t forget that the charity’s purpose is not worth it.
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@Kcmatt7 Umm I compared Missouri to Hitler.
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@dylans Yea that isn’t any better lol. I’ll edit my post above.
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guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys
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It certainly isn’t to MUmatt
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@Kcmatt7 Yeah, @dylans is right on that. MU, not Self–he is merely less respectable now and has to do penance.
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@mayjay That’s right. Forgot about that.
