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This is some craziness. So @BeddieKU23 thinks Moore is keeping some of the Guard recruits from committing. Sadly I think it could be right. However, come on man, if you are Dotson or Grimes how can you be scared of competing against a vertically challenged guy that was barely in the top 100? I’m not trying to knock Moore, its just fact. If these recruits really fancy themselves as NBA caliber players, they are going to have to compete against others much better than Moore to make it. If they decide to take Easy Street and not challenge themselves along the way I’m thinking there will be a rude awakening one day.
So if the hypothesis is true, how come it doesn’t seem to apply to the big men? De Souza has committed, Big Dave seems to be ready to do the same, it didn’t seem to bother them. There is much more room at the guard spot, meaning less returning players and Self has shown he will mostly play three guards and even 4 at a time if his personnel dictates it. It seems like an illogical conclusion to reach but nobody ever said logic would decide where these kids choose to go.
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Like the use of Easy Street, isn’t that the same philosphy Sexton and Young took in the 2016 class. Instead of competing with Graham and Newman they took the path to the least resistance. Self pressed hard on both to come to KU. He’s done the same to Dotson/Grimes this season. Not illogical to think both take the illogical path again. Marquette is recruiting Grimes with their entire staff, Texas wants Grimes in state, Calipari is selling the NBA dream. We just have no idea how these kids think, what motivates them, how afraid they are of competition.
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@BeddieKU23 McCormick and De-Sousa makes a very sweet pair. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I don’t know how credible the Florida people claiming all this Dotson movement. Seems illogical and there’s a whole bunch of other news he/she claims to know about all their other targets going to other schools. Seems very unlikely their top target at PG, SF, PF all said No to Florida on the same day…I’m not buying it but their fanbase is running with some stuff
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@RockkChalkk There is a huge difference between wanting to compete on court against the best, from wanting to compete for playing time against kids who might not be as talented on court but are willing to work harder and do even more than the coaches ask.
Not saying this is what is happening, only that it can explain why someone could shy away from trying to beat Moore if he is in the Mason mold (remember FM’s training video?).
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BShark Here is the rivals link I found on Graham … 36. He was of course originally 2013 class, and was not in the top 100 from what I have seen.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2014/devonte-graham-9850
Thanks. It’s crazy sometimes the discrepancy between the sites.
I already mentioned 247 and composite but ESPN, Graham was unranked but 4 stars. Supposedly 41 on Scout but I don’t remember him being that high on Scout…wonder if they changed it well after the fact.
But it doesn’t really matter, Graham is a great Jayhawk, that’s what matters.
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BeddieKU23 said:
This is another homerun hit for the staff. Thanks to Billy Preston as well.
Now we want things to go well. Adding Oak Hill to the good ins list along with Mac Irvin Fire, Brewster and IMG would be
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@BeddieKU23 - - All I have to say is , sit back and watch. - -This is far from a done deal to Florida. – I’m not so fast to accept defeat , Again after a week from being removed from his visit to Florida, if he was at the juncture where welp everyone up and saying Florida got him locked up - - – - -it’s over , - - maybe it is - -maybe it isn’t. Again one of my questions would be is why aren’t we seeing a lot more CB movement to Florida - just like McCormack did with us when we became the heavy lean? - - We saw a lot of CB movement to us. - - It’s been a week since his visit to Florida and yet we aren’t seeing very much movement or changing of the CB at all - why not? - if he suddenly became so solid for Florida - -why no movement. The big Florida insider was so sure but yet we have seen nothing or much , why not? - Why if he was rock solid on Florida after his visit why like it was stated in the article , why is he weighing his options? - - If it was a done deal to Florida like some are trying to say - - no options to weigh - -he set on Florida then just announce like Quickley - De-Sousa , and others.
Again let’s just see - I’m tellin ya we are still right there for Devon. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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RockkChalkk said:
So if the hypothesis is true, how come it doesn’t seem to apply to the big men? De Souza has committed, Big Dave seems to be ready to do the same, it didn’t seem to bother them. There is much more room at the guard spot, meaning less returning players and Self has shown he will mostly play three guards and even 4 at a time if his personnel dictates it. It seems like an illogical conclusion to reach but nobody ever said logic would decide where these kids choose to go.
If you assume Bill is telling recruits that Preston and Doke are gone after this year, it does make some sense. Assuming the info is good and McCormack picks KU one of De Sousa and McCormack will be a back-up though, because Dedric is starting barring injury. Of course being the third big on a Self team still means solid minutes if he trusts you.
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@BShark \just as a little more to go along about these recruiting sites and the differences , some of the players KU is in the recruit’s top 5 picks in the class of 2019 these sites are big time difference on some.
Take for example Rivals has Markese as the # 88 player in the Nation - - -247 has him as the # 74 player in the Nation. - - -Marcedus Leech -Rivals has him as the # 84 player in the Nation. - - -247 has him as the # 57 ranked player in the Nation. -on the other side - -Malik Hall – rivals has him as the # 55 ranked player in the Nation - - 247 has him as the # 92 ranked player in the /nation - -and then one other one Grant Sherfield – -Rivals has him as the # 54 ranked player in the Nation - - 247 has him as the # 90 ranked player in the Nation.
I don’t understand what some of these services are seeing or not seeing in the same players, how do they get such a huge difference - -crazy. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Leech will go to UK if offered fwiw.
19 is going to be an interesting class. I really really like Malik Hall’s game but is there room for him with JRE and Chandler Lawson being likely takes? So much talent with legit, strong KU ties in the class. Gotta close em.
Keeping my eye on Samuell Williamson who I mentioned awhile back. KU legacy recruit. KU had been by far his best offer but others have taken notice of his big summer. Now a top 150 recruit and picked up offers from OU, TAMU, LSU and Marquette.
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The one that has claimed Dotson to Florida isn’t chiming in on what appears to be a Florida fan gone mad. He did say if he didn’t commit in the next week that could open the door for someone else. It’s clear the Dotson’s are taking more time then anyone has expected. Recruiting circles said he would be done just after August. He went on vacation came back and took visits. The hurricane further pushed it out. The Florida visit, now a possible Maryland visit if they decide to do that next week. Who knows. I have no more speculating to make on this one
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BeddieKU23 said:
The one that has claimed Dotson to Florida isn’t chiming in on what appears to be a Florida fan gone mad. He did say if he didn’t commit in the next week that could open the door for someone else. It’s clear the Dotson’s are taking more time then anyone has expected. Recruiting circles said he would be done just after August. He went on vacation came back and took visits. The hurricane further pushed it out. The Florida visit, now a possible Maryland visit if they decide to do that next week. Who knows. I have no more speculating to make on this one
Yeah, Dotson situation is crazy.
This is from some random poster on the phog…
“Dotson situation remains wide open. He will likely visit Maryland. He didnt have a great official visit at KU.”
Same poster said his family is pushing him to Florida.
I have now read from multiple places that Dotson’s visit to KU sucked. None are super credible and it could be parroting but it was on all different sites by different user names. Could be complete bs who really knows? We will likely never know exactly why if true.
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More Dotson stuff from another Phog poster BigCKU…
His family is pushing him to stay on the East coast and Florida is getting the most run from them. Haven’t heard anything about coaches. He personally likes KU a little more than Florida and had his family signed off on KU he probably would have committed months ago. I can’t speak on how his visit with from his side but from KU side it didn’t go any different than 99% of recruits visits.
One thing I was told with the Dotson recruitment is obviously Self wasn’t able to win over the family like he does in most recruitments. Charming the family is one of Self’s best attributes on the recruiting trail but every now and then Self just is unable to do it. Dotson is one of those recruitments.
Those are from my KU sources. One is someone who works at the school and worked on the weekends for me in Topeka this past summer. The other is a family member who is close to the program and more specifically close to several of the KU boosters. Obviously not going to divulge names so don’t try.
The Florida and Maryland guys have been saying that Florida has got in very strongly with the family over the other schools. The Mom wants him close to home. The father wants close to home and wants his son to start immediately.
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If in fact they want him home then why the heck did he give serious interest to KU in the first place. They knew how far KU is from North Carolina. Infuriating
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BShark said:
Leech will go to UK if offered fwiw.
19 is going to be an interesting class. I really really like Malik Hall’s game but is there room for him with JRE and Chandler Lawson being likely takes? So much talent with legit, strong KU ties in the class. Gotta close em.
Keeping my eye on Samuell Williamson who I mentioned awhile back. KU legacy recruit. KU had been by far his best offer but others have taken notice of his big summer. Now a top 150 recruit and picked up offers from OU, TAMU, LSU and Marquette.
Hmmm, really haven’t heard anything on Williamson. Looked and he is not on either Rivals - -or 247 top 100 recruits for 2019. While I was killing time , I decided to go to the different sites and check these guys out for 2019. - Went through the list of both Rivals and 247 top 100
So with having said that as far as the 2019 recruits go Ku is listed as one of the top 5 schools on 21 out of the 100 top 100 recruits, each one of these 21 list KU as one of their top 5 schools we are on the following: # 3 , 4 , 5, 6, 7, 10 , 11 , 16 , 17 , 18 , 23 , 27 , 28 , 32 , 34 ,38 , 54 ,55 ,74 ,84, and the our commit # 88 Markese.
KU leads on 7 of these kids at the present, they are as follows Hurt ( we know that’s no longer the case ) - - -Robinson Earl - - -Zach Harvey- - - -Chandler Lawson - - -Grant Sherfield - - - Malik Hall - - - & Marcedus Leech. - - Then we are in a deadlock for # 32 Josh Green 50/50 with UCLA. - -As far as Marcedus Leech goes, you saying Kentucky. - -He is not even listing Kentucky as one of his top 5 Schools. - His Five are KU - - -Iowa State - - -LSU- - - -Miami - - & Missouri. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Leech called UK his dream school. That being said he visited and Cal did NOT offer, so if UK never offers, KU has a real shot.
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There are now about 30 insiders claiming Dotson information. Some people should just not be allowed to post on message boards.
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Imo KU has an excellent chance at JRE, Chandler, Harvey and Hall in terms of kids that I think could announce committing to KU whenever they want.
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@BShark With Graham, ESPN would have taken him out of the 2013 rankings because he went to prep school (but he might have been too low to include anyway at that point). And they don’t include prep school guys in rankings for their new class – so he’s not in 2014 (though he is listed as four stars). Odd.
But hey, we know he’s good. Every bit that #36.
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Here is the 247 profile of S Williamson for you @jayballer54 http://247sports.com/player/samuell-williamson-46043096
I think he has a wait and see offer. Kid was previously unranked with only total crap offers at the time KU offered. Picking up some actually solid offers lately. As previously mentioned his mom and big bro graduated from KU so if KU presses, gotta think they can get it done.
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@BeddieKU23 LOL, suddenly they have all become experts right my friend? – I hear you 100%. - -where are you getting all this from bud? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
Imo KU has an excellent chance at JRE, Chandler, Harvey and Hall in terms of kids that I think could announce committing to KU whenever they want. More Lawsons coming for late night Chandler & Johnathan - I think I had herd that Johnathan might be the best of the group.
One thing though DJ Jeffries shows no interest in us right now - -a cousin right? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Well thanks for that info – - Tell me have you ever heard anything on this Grant Sherfield? - - -I know he is a 6’2 shooting guard out of Texas you heard any inside on him? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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McCormack pitch seems pretty simple. Give him a before and after picture of Doke. Should have been enough to seal the deal right there.
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jayballer54 said:
@BShark Well thanks for that info – - Tell me have you ever heard anything on this Grant Sherfield? - - -I know he is a 6’2 shooting guard out of Texas you heard any inside on him? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He’s actually from Wichita originally. I remember reading that he was a bit upset that KU took a commitment from Jacobs.
I think it boils down to how many guards does KU need in the class. Jacobs already committed and a good shot at Harvey, that’s already two guards, might not need more than that.
Personally, as a third guard take I’d favour Josh Green or Jalen Lecque if KU could real either in. Sherfield isn’t a bad player by any means, and likely multiple years.
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 LOL, suddenly they have all become experts right my friend? – I hear you 100%. - -where are you getting all this from bud? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
What is this in reference to? If you tell me that, I can answer.
If you mean Leech then this: http://247sports.com/Article/Kentucky-Wildcats-hosting-top-50-junior-Marcedus-Leech-for-unoff-53378575
“That’s been my dream since I was a kid. If I get that offer, they’ll be on the top of my list,” Leech said. “I like everything. I like how they play, how they get up and down. I like Coach [John] Calipari. He does a lot with his guys and I’m looking forward to my visit there.”
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Kcmatt7 said:
McCormack pitch seems pretty simple. Give him a before and after picture of Doke. Should have been enough to seal the deal right there.
Not sure it mattered in this one but Embiid is still paying dividends too. KU offered 7’ Serbian stud Balsa Koprivica and when he tweeted about the offer he used a picture of Embiid, lol.
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@BShark No when I made that post I was referring about BeddieKu23 post, saying that suddenly there was like 30 Florida insiders talking about Dotson - -and BeddieKu23 saying people lie that shouldn’t be allowed on the boards lol that’s what I was referring to. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@RockkChalkk interesting question about fear of commitment in guards vs big men when in situations that involve competition. Maybe guards need to start to be seen and drafted while bigs can be drafted on height and athleticism alone, regardless of PT?
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approxinfinity said:
@RockkChalkk interesting question about fear of commitment in guards vs big men when in situations that involve competition. Maybe guards need to start to be seen and drafted while bigs can be drafted on height and athleticism alone, regardless of PT?
Cheick Diallo agrees.
NBA scouts will always be tempted by height and potential.
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Quickley officially to UK and McCormack expected to announce tomorrow, most likely for KU.
Front court will be in great shape and should discourage Grimes from UK.
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I think Grimes ends up at KU anyway but what we really want to see is Keldon Johnson go to UK.
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Worth noting that McCormack played on the same AAU team that Andrew White and Frank Mason did.
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Grimes and McCormack to KU? Sold.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Grimes and McCormack to KU? Sold.
Provided it does shake out this way, I think that covers KU’s needs out of this class. Shores up the front court* and adds a ball handling guard.
*Regardless of what anyone thinks or how ready Preston may or may not be to go pro, Self straight up told recruits that he won’t be here next year. McCormack himself mentioned it awhile back after his visit.
So then we get into wants. I think the staff wants a pure PG, a guy that can run the show. Dotson would be ideal, and from what I’ve read recently he is keeping his recruitment open.
Then you could swing for the fences with Zion and add developmental prospects as needed depending on who leaves early.
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Slater posting some stuff about Zion.
Talking about Zion’s mother not wanting him to be far away from home. What is it lately and KU recruits being negatively recruited by their mothers. Good lord let your son do what he wants!
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FYI Zion didn’t make it to Kentucky for his visit due to personal reasons. Makes you wonder whether he’ll be at Late Night…
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General news tangentially related to KU: after news leaked about McCormack and KU, Ian Steere decommitted from Creighton and got some crystal ball picks for NC State. Brutal for Creighton.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Slater posting some stuff about Zion.
Talking about Zion’s mother not wanting him to be far away from home. What is it lately and KU recruits being negatively recruited by their mothers. Good lord let your son do what he wants!
Josh Jackson and Billy Preston though!
Honestly it’s very important to recruit the parents. Self is typically very good at this.
I would at least understand it with Zion. Kansas is very far from SC and it’s just one year. Would be hilarious if he picked Clemson.
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This will change, so only relevant until it changes, but the offers compared to the player ranking here LOL: http://247sports.com/player/filip-petrusev-46041501
KU is full up in the post or I’d say they should be very interested in him. I’d be on him being top 50 by the time it’s all said and done.
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@BeddieKU23 Well, for one thing, not all mothers can move to Lawrence to see their kids play. I think being able to see your kid prove himself on a national stage would be pretty important to most parents. Everyone else gets to weigh in. Why not mothers?
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@mayjay not like she couldn’t watch literally every game from her living room… And half of his games will be 5-6 hours away at the closest. The closeness logic has dumbfounded me ever since ESPN3 started airing literally every game.
Now if we are getting negatively recruited toward mothers because of our problems last year, makes sense. I know I would be if I were an opposing coach.
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I knew the Zion to KU thing would fade out. At one point it looked promising especially with him being the face of Adidas. But when your going up against parents saying they want their kid home, we all know how that works.
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We all know his one year in College is meaningless in the bigger picture for Zion. He’s a perfect example of someone who would go to the NBA out of HS. It’s his brand, his following, his star potential that would be advantageous to KU for his one year.
If mom is not on board of him leaving the state we all know what happens…
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@BeddieKU23 Think of it as the last time Mom might be able to be a big part of his life. These kids have already lived a life different from what other HS kids have. I am only saying it is legit for parents to express their wishes, too. “Family over everything” doesn’t only apply to teams. Somehow I think Zion will be successful wherever he wants to go. Let’s not be like UK fans and start acting like there is something wrong with the priorities of players who consider going somewhere else.
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@BShark But what does that have anything to do with KU ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
@BShark But what does that have anything to do with KU ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
NC State was one of the main competitors for McCormack. Took an official there and their coach visited McCormack I think more than once. Just an example of the domino effect that can sometimes happen in recruiting.
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Agreed, I guess I wasn’t trying to dismiss the importance family should have in their child’s life and decision making.
We’ve seen what happens when guidance is absent (Mitchell Robinson).
Zion has a tight nit family from everything we’ve seen reported. Most parents do want their child close to home. It’s natural.
I know I faced the same dilemma when I was going to College, my parents didn’t support me going out of state even as a non-athlete. I ended up staying closer to home, things worked out. But when your young you have these dreams. We can all forget that these kids are young and even with a known name doesn’t take away from the fact he’s still a kid that’s going to make an important decision for his future, regardless if the decision is likely a formality to bigger things in the near future.
My gripe was, we seem to be getting into some high profile recruitment’s and hearing the distance from home theme stressed by the parents. Usually that ends up being a sign (for KU) they don’t stray far from the nest. We all know Self and KU face a ton of obstacles to land top tier talent and having a lack of elite prospects in their backyard every year to recruit only adds to those obstacles.
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BShark said:
General news tangentially related to KU: after news leaked about McCormack and KU, Ian Steere decommitted from Creighton and got some crystal ball picks for NC State. Brutal for Creighton.
I saw that and thought the same thing. Steere is a quality big, not surprised he might end up in-state after all
