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Recruits always say good things about programs they visit, particularly if they plan to take an all expense paid official visit in the near future.
If you were a high end recruit, wouldn’t you take all the allowed offcial visit where they treat you like royalty and send you home with some cool school gear to boot? I know I would.
McCormack is friends with OSU assistant coach David Kontaxis who has worked seven years with AAU programs in the Washington, D.C. area, including McCormack’s Team Loaded. McCormack was on an unofficial visit to OSU and apparently made a side trip to Lawrence although he is expected to make an offcial visit later on.
I am not saying that KU is not in play but if you take the comments of recruits after visit as the key, we would have gotten a heck of a lot more top players that visited and had glowing comments about KU. Wouldn’t you agree?
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@JayHawkFanToo I’m not taking his remarks as a key - -I’ll will say this I’ll predict right here - -right now he WILL NOT land at Oklahoma State. - -If not KU then he will land at Duke, they have been in on him for quite some time - No Oklahoma State commit here, mark it own. - - As we pretty well knew ya Oklahoma St right now is his leader in the CB - - And? - -That CB crap is less and less credible all the time, we know that from personal experiences, it’s a crap shoot with the analysts, like taking a dart and throwing at a dart board - -Again mark it down - it will not happen for Okla St with this kid. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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So, if you are not using his comments as the main reason, why do you think KU is in? The unofficial visit? He has made 9 unofficial visits so far.
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McCormack is coming back for late night not even a month after unofficially visiting here. I think KU has been able to get in his ear about Doke’s pending NBA decision and the opportunity for him here. He’s an Adidas kid as well which helps.
Steve Smith, his coach for Oak Hill said he enjoyed his unoffical here and that NC St & Xavier were also schools he was considering with Duke/UCLA also trying to get visits (if he makes it that far). This was his quote " I don’t know if he’ll go past September, he’s getting kind of antsy and I think he likes a couple schools."
If NC St & Xavier are the biggest competition then we have to like our chances. The way he’s changed his body and has started to play through the change he’s made he’s got NBA upside down the road. I think KU with Hudy and its history with bigs is the perfect spot for him. There might even be a starting spot for grabs when he gets here…
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@JayHawkFanToo Ahhh…McCormack’s relationship with the OSU assistant is big.
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@JayHawkFanToo How about you tell me if KU is NOT a major player tell me why if he isn’t that interested in the University why is he making two visits for one. - -You said he was close for the un- official – AND? - - he comes here on this un official , if he is not that interested , if he is not serious - -why come back on an official? - - If he didn’t see anything that interested - -if he doesn’t like what the staff had to say - - if he didn’t like the environment - the campus - - the facilities - -why waste an official visit on a school that is not that serious of player in your recruitment? - - Wouldn’t you as a recruit want to use your officials for schools that you were seriously considering? - -Would you just want to waste one of your officials when you knew there was no way or little chance of committing there? - - I know if I were a recruit - -I’m taking my officials to schools that I’m interested in , and have a true chance of landing me. - -McCormack is not the only player that has had a friend - - had a previous Coach or connection that is now at another school and that recruit not end up there because they were there.
I’m going to a School because of a lot of other things other then just a friend being there or previous Coach or whatever. I’m going to a school that I feel gives me the best chance to help me improve my skills - develop me to advance to the next level. I’m going to a school for exposure, tradition, and OTHER things he mentioned. - not because of some guy that use to Coach me or a friend. - -McCormack feels really good about our staff - -loves our history of the game -Ya I think your under estimating KU and over estimating a former Coach or whoever the hell this guy is. To say we are insinuate KU isn’t a major player with him - is just way off base - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BeddieKU23 said:
McCormack is coming back for late night not even a month after unofficially visiting here. I think KU has been able to get in his ear about Doke’s pending NBA decision and the opportunity for him here. He’s an Adidas kid as well which helps.
Steve Smith, his coach for Oak Hill said he enjoyed his unoffical here and that NC St & Xavier were also schools he was considering with Duke/UCLA also trying to get visits (if he makes it that far). This was his quote " I don’t know if he’ll go past September, he’s getting kind of antsy and I think he likes a couple schools."
If NC St & Xavier are the biggest competition then we have to like our chances. The way he’s changed his body and has started to play through the change he’s made he’s got NBA upside down the road. I think KU with Hudy and its history with bigs is the perfect spot for him. There might even be a starting spot for grabs when he gets here…
Agree. He’d also be a good fit at KU which seems important to him.
Also it’s not IMG or Brewster but current staff at KU seems to have an ok relationship with Oak Hill.
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That’s another thing I didn’t mention was Oak Hill. We got Preston last year from there and while it sounds like Billy won’t be here when David would be it doesn’t hurt to have a connection to one of the premiere HS teams in the country.
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I haven’t seen McCormack mention Oklahoma St since the summer. It doesn’t sound like they are getting one of his official visits either. So unless something changes it sounds like them hiring his AAU coach didn’t end up having a big effect on what he’s going to do. The CB’s will change and they could go KU’s way after his official…
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Well read where we landed on a recruits final five once again. Doesn’t really amount to a lot I don’t think but Louis King announced final five of: - - Oregon , NC State , Seton Hall , KU , & Purdue.
Seems like a pretty solid at this point to Oregon, not really thinking much chance here but you never know stranger things have happened. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Grimes has cut Arizona from consideration… that’s huge
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Honestly, not super high on Louis King. He’s not a great athlete, his handle is probably roughly average and he’s an above average but not elite shooter. I am just not sure how he transitions to a collegiate wing at KU and is anything more than Andrew White. Maybe others have a different take, but I just don’t see it.
This class is top heavy, but light on depth, so he could get ranked top 25 or top 30, but really be more like a 40-60 guy. For comparison’s sake, in 2016, the highest a player rated lower than 90 was ranked in ESPN’s 100 was 29th. In 2017, an 89 got you ranked 31st. In 2015, 2014 and 2013 it went 20, 30 and 23.
A deep class takes players rated above 90 to about 30. Anything less than that, the class lacks depth. The first player rated less than 90 is at 25. But what is even more telling is that this class only has 4 guys rated 95 or higher. There aren’t really any truly elite prospects, and there’s not a lot of depth. 2018 is going to be a year where not a lot of freshmen arrive on campus ready to contribute because there just aren’t any elite level guys.
I think Self has seen that possibility and has planned for it with the Lawson brothers, Charlie Moore and Sam Cunliffe, all of whom are likely to be more ready to contribute than any prospect outside the top 12-15 in the 2018 class. Throw in Marcus Garrett and you have a solid starting five whether Vick returns or not.
Self may have done it again - we just don’t know it yet.
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@BeddieKU23 Soooo now what? - -that what leaves KU & ? down to 2 now right?
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@justanotherfan ya I really haven’t hear a lot of super positive reviews on him either. - Not a lot of vibes ya know what I mean? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Agree to an extent on King. He’s kind of a jack of all trades type wing. He’s actually the type I would expect to see land at Villanova. I think he’s an excellent catch and shoot type, rebounder and defender. Those traits fit at KU but if we are going to keep recruiting the uber elite wings maybe he isn’t the best fit in that light.
I think the most interesting part of King’s recruitment has been that Calipari turned him down after he basically begged them for an offer this summer. King played for Cal during Team USA ball and still didn’t impress Cal enough to get him that offer. That could be because King figures to be a multi-year player in College at a position that is routinely producing OAD types every season.
I think King’s ranking will even out a bit more across the platforms and he’ll end up in that 20’s to low 30’s range. It seems if Oregon has his attention and if he doesn’t land there I’m not sure where he’d go unless KU was out of the Zion race and had a chance to get him in the spring…
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@BeddieKU23 Wait – Grimes didn’t have Arizona in his final 4. - -He is down to Ku , Kentucky , Marquette & Texas - – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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He’s really down to 1 school but these kids have to play it out
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Just read where Devon’s dad said their in home visit with Coach Self and Howard went great last night. Siad lots of questions asked like about KU academics - - - KU support staff- - - to where they will live- - - what will they eat - - - and How closely they will be monitored.
According to Dotson father Dana - - -says they like what they heard.Said that see hi coming in and being their starting PG from day 1. - -says how they stressed that over and over.
The ONE thing that needs to be brought out is though 1st is that it is NOT a promise , 2ndly nor is it a guarantee - -What they told Dana is They Believe. that is what they think.
Dana said visit went great, Said KU - -Coach Self talked about why KU is the best fit for Devon, talked a lot about the vison for Devon what is and should be important for Devon and how KU fits those wants. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I did not say KU is not in play, I just said that he does not seem to THE program in play at this time.
You talk about wasting an offcial visit…well, once he makes all five offcial visits will you said he wasted the four other official visits? I think not. Remember, he made 9 unofficial visits on his own dime.
I know the crystal ball is not the be all, end all of recruiting predictions; however, many of the raters (obviously not all) are well informed and competent analysts that have a lot more inside information than we do. You can take the individual prediction any way you want based on your opinion of the rater but, when you look at the overall trend, in most cases is not that bad and at this time KU dose not seem to be ahead of the other schools.
Again, I am not saying KU is not in play, obviously it is since he has scheduled an offcial visit but that is just an indicator that KU is in play, that is all. Do you know how many top players have taken offcial visit to KU and signed with other programs? It happens, it’s the nature of the process.
As I said before, the only sure prospect is the one that has signed the LOI.
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Yes, AAU coaches can be a huge factor. Remember Beasley and Walker, two top players that would have never considered KSU ended up there because of their relationship with Delonte Hill in the AAU circuit.
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@JayHawkFanToo No he won’t of wasted ANY of his five officials - -as they are his Officials. and with them being officials they are schools that are in serious contention, and as far as CB’s are concerned I think a lot of people are starting to see how much weight they in reality hold - - -not much, too many cases of recruits being seen as CB leaders for a certain school and end up somewhere else.
Like many many others other then myself on other sites have said a lot of times with these analysts if they see one analyst make a prediction and they think this guy might have a little more info - -then they jump the train goin off his prediction whether they believe it or not -educated guess - that’s it. - -but anyways we will see where he lands but I’ll stick with my prediction - -he WILL NOT end up at Oklahoma St, a lot better chance of Duke as they have been on him for quite awhile. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo Let me turn your own question back to you, that you ask me. – . You asked me if I’m not using the comments as the main reason I see KU as being a major player, then is it the un-official visit? You say he has had 9 un-official so far.
So let me turn it around right back to you. If your not just using the CB’S as the main reason that you see KU as being that school that is NOT the program in play at this time- -then what is the reason you don’t see KU as the Program in play at this time? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Just checkin’ in. But I definitely WILL be coming to KU. Big Davy Mac and Z-Will will also be joining me.
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Just read Grimes dates for his officials. - -Texas, Sept 22nd. - - Kentucky , Sept 29th - - KU , Oct 13 - -& Marquette , Oct 20th
We shall see what happens. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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If we can’t land a legacy, who we offered and were all over for an entire YEAR before UK, who TF can we land?
Grimes is coming here. We have visited him nearly 10 times. We were the 3rd school to offer him. We have put the time and effort in. We have done all of the right things. If we lost him to UK, I just don’t see how there couldn’t be something dirty going on. This would be the last straw for me. I couldn’t NOT believe that Nike, Adidas and agents 100% dictate where most top 25 kids go.
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You keep misquoting me even when I specifically said in two separate posts…I am not saying KU is not in play.
KU is very much in play but based on what I have read to date it is not the leader, OSU is by virtue of the relationship he has with the assistant coach there that was his AAU coach.
For the third time, I am not saying KU is not in play…
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How are they the leader if there is no official visit scheduled to OSU at this point
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2018-19 is shaping up to be a year where a more veteran team could emerge for the national title simply because the depth isn’t there for the incoming class.
Unless one team is able to sign four top 15 players, it’s hard to see a team dominated by freshmen rising above the fray.
Teams that have top returning players should rocket to the top over the course of the season. Of course, the risk is that this parity just means lots of teams have a shot at the title rather than just a handful because the talent levels will be so close come tournament time.
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NC ST landed a top 100 center yesterday. Important because big dave visited there. Have to think that’s another positive sign
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Looks like a PF but I doubt it hurts KU. I think KU is well positioned here.
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And yeah if Grimes ends up at UK I just…fwrlt241351 3l41rw4…
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@BShark ok after your mini-stroke?
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KU is clearly the leader on Grimes, Dotson and Zion and there is plenty of information to back that up. The information on Big Dave is not readily available only that he has made 9 unofficial visit, one official and one scheduled official to KU; seems logical that he would make all the available official visits.
The most recent predictions, including Jerry Meyer who many in the forum respect indicate OSU. KU would seem to be in a good place but no one has updated his prediction. McCormack has said the right things about the places he visited but not really given any indication on his final destination. McCormack might very well end up at KUand if KU gets the other 3 prospects, it could be one of the better classes ever.
As I have said before, the only sure prospect is the one that has signed a LOI, until then, every program is in play. Remember when Ayton was just about 100% KU? So much for that…
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@JayHawkFanToo and for the THIRD time – -he WILL NOT end up at Okla St - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 He doesn’t know. - -All he knows or so he thinks anyways is that KU is not the leader good for him - I’m tired of trying to lead a horse to water. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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OK. So only your opinion counts? Got it.
Remember that absent facts all we can offer is opinions and they are just that…opinions, and as such they are not right or wrong just different…unless they are your apparently in which case they are right and others wrong.
I never said or implied you were wrong, I simply asked for the rationale for your opinion; I would appreciate if you would extend others the same courtesy.
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@JayHawkFanToo right. - -and you never answered my question when I turned it back to you. - - - Still waiting - -thanks. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Must be nice to have a decent football program. Dotson and his dad sure looked like they were into that game… Would suck if Florida football just helped them land Dotson.
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You need to take the blinders off and actually read what I wrote, the answer is there…it is just not what you want it to be so you just ignore it. Nothing else I can add.
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@JayHawkFanToo ok, thanks for the insight. - -so enlightening, I hope I can one day when I grow up be able to comprehend like you thank you. - have a great day. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Ok so @jayballer54 I’m curious why you are so certain about where Dave isn’t going? You’ve stated several times that’s what you believe, but haven’t supported your argument. Just assume I haven’t read any of the recruiting stuff from the crystal ball (as I think it’s bunk) don’t pay for 247 sports (why would I?) and only get info from free internet sources that hopefully don’t contain a million viruses (ESPN and KUSports mainly). So what information that is making you so confident that McCormack is going to one school or another? I haven’t seen anything that leads me to believe one way or another just curious what your thoughts are.
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OK, guys, let me get this straight. Both of you have an opinion of who is the leader for some recruit, neither of you has any definitive actual information on the subject, both of you have cited some information that you claim supports your opinion, each of you challenges the sources of each other’s opinion, both of you claim you (a) supported your own and (b) asked for why the other one has an opinion that seems very strong, and you both seem to agree that CBs and recruit comments are not definitive predictors of a player’s ultimate destination.
Now you decide to start snarling at each other, blah blah blah–typifying way too much internet interaction.
Can you both please try to repeat the words, “We are each entitled to our own opinion” without adding nasty comments?
Here is my own, as if it matters: the relationship with the OSU coach gives a good reason why OSU is in the mix, but we know from many many recruitments that offers from blue bloods (esp Duke and UK) can often win over personal ties. You each have valid points. But you both keep asking for proof of opinions–it doesn’t work that way!
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@dylans I can ask the same question as to why people feel so confident That we are not a major player for him. - -Look this could go on banter back and forth - -not worth it, at least not to me, I’ve have more serious thing to concentrate on such as my upcoming Stress tests on my heart and multiple other tests concerning my heart - that’s some for me to really concentrate. Look we can opposite opinions, it’s some just only want to hear their favorable side. CB’S are a bunch of crap - -been proven multiple times tell me that isn’t so. If you put your belief in CB’S then you must still believe in Santa Claus too lmao.
Don’t need proof, it’s me - it’s my gut feeling and I will say again and feel very very confident - -David McCormack WILL NOT commit to Oklahoma St, again David McCormack WILL NOT commit to Oklahoma State. period. - like I said it is fruitless to keep going back and forth back and forth I have an opinion just as others have theire.
You may think mine is crazy unfounded ridicilious what ever that’s fine, that’s people’s right to think that. I have no problem with that just as I have my right. - Is this not an open forum? - -Are we always suppose to agree 100 with one another? if sooooo then I don’t honestly know what to tell ya, Hell 'm suppose to agree with the ol lady 100% of the time - -doesn’t happen - -still married lmao. Tis is not the first time people have agreed won’t be the last. I’m just not going to pursue this particular question any further , before it gets out of hand. I enjoy this room anyways bottom line we all want whats best for KYU I think we can all agree on that - -My thoughts McCormack is either here at KU - -or Duke but no way in hell will he land at Oklahoma St -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@mayjay Thanks - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 You can save money by just having the doctor attach the EKG leads to your chest after a lengthy session on the Board. No other stress inducers necessary!
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@mayjay Lmao, hey good idea lol - -only two problems. what about the electrocardiogram & Heart Cath lol? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 I wasn’t disagreeing with ya. I just was wondering what you were basing your opinion on. I have no info one way or the other. There has been zero back and forth between us, I have read this whole thread and was wondering where you were coming from. Here I was hopeful that you’d have a link to read or some positive distraction. That’s all.
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@dylans Nope - no link just my gut - -sorry - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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David McCormack schedules official visit to OK St. for Oct. 14th per reports.
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Interesting notes on the Dotson front. According to Matt He didn’t see the ending of the Florida game (which is the only positive it seems on that front).
Florida insider is awful confident he announces for them in the next week. He says he has ties to the Dotson recruitment. Surprisingly no CB action yet to Florida but I get the sense the writing is on the wall.
Would be interesting to know why there was even information leaking saying he was done to KU in July/August if in fact that ended up being false. Information like that is not helpful to anyone and just creates the sense that KU has missed on yet another target they went for. Maybe he was Florida’s all along with the PT available and the relationship they formed with the staff and the KU talk was junk. In the end a majority of these kids just don’t want to live in Kansas no matter how good the facilities, the coach, the team, the history etc…
Further I’m not sure what Self has to do to land elite point guards at this point if Dotson goes to Florida. Shouldn’t Frank Mason’s success have changed things? It seems as though KU has to literally have zero PG’s on the roster for that to happen. Disappointing if this happens.
