The Only Way To Travel...
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…and the obvious question is…maintain control of what? There were no fights or exchanges that I saw that would warrant this, unless of course you consider Jackson mouthing off to the ref making the game be out of control. I used to like Fran but now he is just another big mouth trying to fill empty time with non-sense. Sometimes it is better for an announcer to let the game do the talking and not try to become the story.
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@wissox I watched the video of the non-call at West Virginia for months after that game. I still can’t understand how an official lets a player with his back to the rim at the 3 point line pick up his dribble and get all the way to the basket for a lay up. Svi’s drive was an all out sprint; I still have trouble determining when in that mad dash you start counting steps after the last dribble; when the ball comes up off the floor, when the ball reaches his hand, when? But, Staten was nearly stopped, picked up his dribble, then spun toward the basket. My only explanation is the ref must of thought he dribbled after the spin, but I didn’t see a dribble. Oh well, the refs make the calls and we are left trying to understand them and debating the correctness. It’s part of the game, my friends.
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@stoptheflop Staten’s was an all out sprint too as I recall.
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@stoptheflop Yep, Staten took at least as many steps as Svi.
Great response to any complaints about the end of the game last night. It happens.
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Speaking of travelling anyone remember this? And anyone remember the 11th turnover TT committed which was really a foul? Listen to Bilas make try to excuse the refs.
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ESPN Article Introduction:
MORGANTOWN, W.Va. – Leg cramps weren’t going to keep Juwan Staten from getting West Virginia to 20 wins for the first time in four seasons on Monday night.
Staten scored 20 points, including a layup with four seconds left
After KSU Game, article on ESPN article introduction.
Let’s start with this: Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk did not simply travel on his game-winning fast-break layup in Kansas’ 90-88 win over rival Kansas State on Tuesday night.
He bounced through the lane like David Bowie and Mick Jagger on that abandoned road in the “Dancing In The Street” music video. He skated. He jogged from somewhere near the 3-point line to the basket
Double Standard Much?
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@Blown In their defense, Svi’s travel looked a whole lot more like a travel than WVU’s travel. And we had our chance to win that game. Perry missed that shot he would probably make another 95 out of 100 times.
This is probably a better comparison. You are still somewhat right about a double standard though…
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@wissox No mention of Staten’s travel. Watch the video.
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“…and the obvious question is…maintain control of what?”
That is exactly what I was saying during the game.
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Tyler Self
Svi’s statline: 11 points, 2 assists, 10 rushing yards, 1 game winner (https://twitter.com/T_Self11/status/816519522559606785?s=09)
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@jayballer54 LL fools gold.
Just had to since you wanted to hear it.
He’s been great.though really the last couple games.
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@Kcmatt7 Yea Matt& Jorge Oerta was safe at first too but no ones willing to give back the 85 Series to the
️ cards right? Bad calls are just part of it & they bite both ways…
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I feel like we all got robbed of a good game by the refs. No defense because everything was a foul, except actual fouls.
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Charter that plane for a flight HOME after our Elite8 game. Because after seeing that ksu game – Man, I had a jumpin – gee - hosa - fat, yowser kinda moment: No sir, we wont get far with our bad, truly bad defense – man it was bad, I mean when does a Self team allow over 50% FG for most of the game? I dont know guys – I’m worried for us
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@globaljaybird just thought I’d share some things that are a little funny. Kstate fans know the same thing everyone is just having a little fun with it.
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@dylans absolutely true. Refs took us out of our game with foul calls.
First half - 10 point lead and only 14 fouls called.
Second half - outscored by 8 points and 24 fouls called.
It isn’t even like the fouls were one sided. It was about even. But, because of all of the fouls, we never got to get out and run like we like to. And we couldn’t play defense. They couldn’t score at a pace out of the half court that was great enough to keep up with us running in transition. JJ’s fault if we are being honest. That Tech sparked refs.
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@ralster LMAO - - -you goof, you like my ol JUMPIN - - GEE- -HOSSA - - FATS- - huh? lol. - -But seriously your right and I stated multiple times also, when was the last time a Bill Self coached team had an opponent shoot 50% for a game in allen - or anywhere actually for that matter. These guys at this point anyways not to say they can’t turn it around - -But right now they are lacking that in your pants type of defense, being able to tell you flavore of gum their guys was chewing, just at time it’s an OL-LAY type of defense if that’s what you want to call it. - - -I hear ya my friend we have got to get our defense to wake the hell up. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@ralster I do not expect that Coach will allow this to continue. I do not expect Frank, DG, Josh, Lando, Svi, and Vick to allow this to continue.
Notice I left out Bragg. Im kinda picking on him right now. I know our whole team defense sucks rocks at this point but Bragg, Im tellin you, I saw him not shuffle his feet on defense quick enough way too many times and Coach yanked him for it.
Also, a couple of Franks turn overs belonged to Bragg. Couldnt hold on to the ball to save his life.
I wish that Bragg could defend like Shady did his Sophomore season.
I wish that Josh could defend like Junior B.Rush.
I wish that all those other guys would just step up their games and do what they did last year.
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I have rewatched the game. Winning this game on a travel by Svi? I’ll take it. There were so many horrible calls against KU. Those calls kept KSU in the game. The big man for KSU , Johnson hooked on just about every spin move to the basket. Those are offensive fouls. He should have fouled out early in the 2nd half. Wade, and the guards for KSU pushed off and used arm bars to push off which should have been offensive fouls as well. Most were blatant, especially when Josh Jackson got shoved out of the way twice on the same possession. So, I will definitely take the win on a missed call by the refs. They missed more than enough calls that went KSU’s way.
As far as our defense goes, what else can this team do. We started the year out guarding, and all that got us was the whole team in foul trouble Sometimes its better to give up two than get whistled for a foul. Hopefully, we can find a way to play aggressive and avoid foul trouble.
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He didn’t travel. We’re not the refs- that isn’t our job. The refs said he didn’t travel. Period. Game Over.
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I totally didn’t get this… no call… and then I don’t think Fran even commented on it. If the KSU guy was flopping… well… usually in today’s game flopping works. So it seems it is quite inconsistent.
I think what most people want is consistent calls. With consistent calls players can adjust to how the game is being called.
But as @KansasComet said… Johnson got away with murder the entire game. He should have fouled out within 10 minutes of PT.
I think Landen and Carlton need to take acting lessons. They need to show a bit more drama to win more of those calls because their opponent bigs just get more and more empowered by smacking them around and not getting called for it.
Unfortunately… the way the game is called today you either become a bit of a flopper or you get abused in the game.
I really DISLIKE the new way refs are calling games.
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@drgnslayr I agree! Thought it was funny, seems like nobody noticed. I said something during our game blog.
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@drgnslayr You may be right: flopping, especially practiced and skilled flopping is part of today’s college game and may win a game for a team. I disagree that our players should improve their flopping skills and employ them more often. The Big 12 and it’s officials can solve flopping by implementing a new rule that starts with a warning, then a technical foul. The flopping on charges and 3 point attempts has been around for years. When the NCAA instituted the flagrant foul for contact above the shoulders, we quickly saw some players jerking their heads around like Linda Blair trying to fool the refs into making a flagrant foul call. Some of our players are guilty too.
Instead of joining the cheaters, let’s lobby the Big 12 to put a stop to flopping. I don’t usually advocate more rules, but flopping evinces poor sportsmanship and is bad for the integrity of the game we love.
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@stoptheflop you are right!
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I think the problem is vernacular.
I’m not suggesting we become the next Duke.
Let’s just call it “expressive.”
“Landen was expressive on that play.” (versus) “Landen flopped on that play.”
If we overdo it, it backfires. And we are not really trying to change the game and trick refs.
Being “expressive” is not exaggerated enough to turn an obvious defensive foul (or no-call) into an offensive foul.
All we want to do is be treated fairly, and basketball officiating today is not fair. We can “boo-hoo” about calls or we can step up and adjust to how the game is being called.
The game-calling today is based around “sensitivity.” It is like the refs are prepping for a game by watching a Jay Bilas video demanding that no players ever have contact. Powder-puff basketball.
Calling technical fouls on flops is interesting and may be a bit helpful. But it also opens up a new can of worms. Then we will have big time controversy because the level of flopping has to be standardized to punish like that. We never want the refs to have rules that totally decide games. Just imagine our game with KSU, and some purple kitty stepping in front of Svi on the game-winning drive… Was it a flop, or not? Technical? Warning? I think there will be quite a few problems with this, but hey, maybe I am over-hyping this and players would stop it.
I’m not sure players CAN stop flopping. You have to look at the entire game and what has changed. The safety circle under the basket is also baiting players into more flops.
So, let’s be “expressive” like an artist and let Duke “flop” like a con artist… we can’t afford to give away calls because we aren’t willing to play with expression.
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Svi has enjoyed all of the funny tweets.
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@Lulufulu Agreed. I do think JJackson tries hard on D, better than most frosh Self has ever recruited. Personally, I have no problem with Josh Jackson, I like his fire (still learning to not get the T…), easily the “best” freshman player we’ve ever had: Why? Because he actually makes the team better, and he’s a statsheet stuffer with rbds, ppg, assists. He brings an attitude that Self loves. He is more impactful than Wiggybaby or Embiid. There’s several reasons he’s replaced Bragg at the 4. Basically, he has replaced Ellis nicely.
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@ralster if he can stay on the court
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Was it just me, or was Fran Fraschilla positively AWFUL in that game commentary? He’s mediocre most days, but seemed to suck more that game. Or maybe it was KU’s laccadaisical play…?
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I believe Fran was sick, and was also a late replacement for Miles Simon due to a death in Simon’s family (his dad I think). They mentioned it briefly during the telecast.
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I still think his kid wanted to walk on at KU and was rebuffed and ever since Fran has had it for KU. He used to be a decent and fair analyst…no more.
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@JayHawkFanToo I saw Jordan Juenemann basically break Fraschilla’s son’s nose (or face) during mop up minutes a few years ago. He seemed to be 5’10 and 150lbs? Tyler Self, Jeremy Case, Evan Manning, Niko Roberts… would all wipe the floor with Fraschilla junior.
And poor Fran’s woody for IowaState is getting old as well…
At least Frank Mason made Fran eat crow on-air about him (earlier this season, during game live commentary).
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@justanotherfan yeah he was sick, actually an excuse THIS time!
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@ralster and Fran also thought Self would be ok w/sutton taking his hof nomination. Piece of
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I agree, that is beyond moronic…
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@JayHawkFanToo Self wouldn’t reject that kind of player. Fran’s kid was always going to be a walk on so he eas never going to take a scholarship or roster spot from someone more deserving. If James Frascilla wanted to go to KU, there wasn’t any real reason to to turn him away.
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It is not about scholarships or roster spots; there are only so many players KU can take…even if it only offers 13 schoolies. All the walk-on players that I can think of were better than James Fraschilla who in 4 years played a combined 41 minutes and scored a grand total of 8 points, 13 minutes and 0 points in his senior year and only 6 of them in 3 conference in blow out games…Tucker Vang has played just about as many minutes so far in his freshman year.
I get what you are saying but I am sure KU has turned down a lot more talented players than James Fraschilla. I am not saying that he is not a good kid or a hard worker; however, not everybody can make it academically to Harvard or play for KU basketball.
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@JayHawkFanToo James Fraschilla was a preferred walk on. There’s no limit to how many walk ons you can have. Coaches, including Self, have been known to give invited walk on spots, of which there is no limit, to kids of friends. Niko Roberts came to KU before his dad came back. Niko could’ve gone to St. John’s as a walk on with his dad or he could’ve gone to a small school on scholarship.
Had Fran asked Bill if James could’ve played for KU as a walk on as a favor, there was no reason for Self to say no. James wouldn’t have taken a scholarship and he wouldn’t have prevented someone else from walking on at KU either.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You helped shoot down the theory above that Fran’s had it in for KU ever since his son may have been denied to be a walk-on? Then why is Fran critical of KU? Need a better theory, as it’s certainly been noticeable (Fran’s attitude)…
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@ralster I don’t think Fran is overly critical of KU. There are posters here who lament KU’s failures and discuss underperforming in the tournament as regularly as a metronome, but they aren’t seen as biased against KU because we recognize other things said as well.
I have listened to a number of broadcasts where I have heard lavish praise for KU players from Fran, with a couple of caveats and mistakes also pointed out. Then, here, in the game thread, it is only the negative that is remembered or pointed out. Okay, he isn’t a KU fan, but he isn’t supposed to be!
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@ralster I don’t disagree that Fran’s attitude towards KU has changed in recent years. I’m just simply asking where is there proof Bill Self denied James Fraschilla an opportunity to walk on at KU version of the reason you’re trying to pass off because I don’t buy that theory at all.
I just look at Self’s past history of invited walk ons like Niko Roberts, Chase Buford, and Brennan Bechard and see no logical reason for Self to have declined a walk on spot for James Fraschilla had he wanted to come to KU.
So while I agree about Fran’s attitude towards KU changing, I just don’t see any evidence of it stemming from Self rejecting James as a walk on being the cause because I don’t see any evidence that Self rejected James as a walk on.
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You are correct in so far as there is no technical limit on the number of walkons a program can have but there is a practical limit and every player that is part of the program has a role on it, be that as a star player or a scout team or practice player. While a walk on might not get the full tuition cost, it costs the program a fair amount of money, including uniforms, use of facilities and trainers and travel expenses just to name a few and this is why most programs normally cap the total number of players at 15 or ocassionally 16; on ocassions they will even use student assistants rather than to take on more walkons. As far as I know, all players including walkons live in the basketball dorm and there is a limited number of slots available.
As far as I know, every walk on has to justify the invite and earn the slot, after all it is KU and not a mid major program; every walkon at KU would start for a smaller program. Teahan was the player of the year in Missouri and only could get to KU as a walk on. Being Fran Fraschilla’s son does not entitle him to walk on at KU.
No big deal, we just agree to disagree
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@JayHawkFanToo What did Chase Buford or Brennan Bechard do to justify their roster spots other than who their dads are? Neither one received any D1 offers even from the lowest of low major teams and only got to play for KU because of who their dads are.
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I think of KU walk ons as Clint Normore, Dr. Moody and Conner Teahan
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m not disagreeing. What did TJ Whatley do for KU? Walk ons are an important part of the practice squad and help build team GPA. It never hurts to have a NBA GM’s son on your team either. I’m pretty sure that was a recruiting tool in and of itself. It’s not like KU missed on any recruits because of these guys.
It does always seem as though Fran is rooting against KU. I’m not sure when or why this happened. He couldn’t hardly say a good thing about KU without choking in the last game (KSU). Saying nice things about KU was sooo hard on him he lost his voice.
Not so Lt?
