Self's Scrappers vs The Huggins Sub .500 Game Thread
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Kcmatt7 said:
What an embarrassing loss. That makes 3
This one is different. We should have won that game.
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Goodness. Grimes gets blown by for the winning bucket. Vick decides not to help with his man on the three line. Up two, I get that. Not up one.
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The streak might have ended right there friends. I dont think this team us even sweet 16 caliber. Idk what the hell Self drew up outta that last time out but it wasn’t ran and KJ playing big minutes was costly as can be.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Dedric should have gotten a few touches down the stretch.
And preferably on the block - not at 1/2 court
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We haven’t gotten better at any of our flaws this season. Besides Garrett, zero growth from this team.
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This team is so inept at finishing halves and games. It’s astounding.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Goodness. Grimes gets blown by for the winning bucket. Vick decides not to help with his man on the three line. Up two, I get that. Not up one.
Hard to imagine playing Grimes when you NEED a stop. That’s on Bill.
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Not that they were going to get one but that loss ends any 1 seed talk.
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@Woodrow And we should be out of the top 10!!!
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Why was Garrett taking so many shots down the stretch?
That’s the biggest thing that bothers me about this one.
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Vick is lazy and dumb. For a sr guard to have 2 possessions like that is ridiculous. He makes lazy passes for TOs, is lazy on D lazy entry passes to post. Just dumb selfish plays.
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Can’t really remember a dumber final minute, especially coaching
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How do you lose a game up by 6 with 2:38 to go? You get outscored 7-0…that’s how… Have to take it to the bucket at the end…but you have better possessions before that…and you don’t need a last second shot. I’m almost sick to my stomach. Very damaging to the streak. Contenders will or already have won in Morgantown.
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Should’ve called another timeout after Dedric couldnt get it to Dotson. Coaching cost us the win.
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You jinxed them. But we gave up 5 with out even trying and then shit our pants
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kjayhawks said:
Should’ve called another timeout after Dedric couldnt get it to Dotson. Coaching cost us the win.
Absolutely.
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kjayhawks said:
Should’ve called another timeout after Dedric couldnt get it to Dotson. Coaching cost us the win.
Bingo
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@Hawk8086 And ISU coming to town.
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Deflating loss on the road with a young team. Iowa st will eat this team alive monday
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I can’t point to any one play that cost us. I can see that the entire game was played with no energy, no want to, and turnover abundance. Way to be embarrassed on ESPN BIG KU!!!
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Felt like roy swallowing he timeouts
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My money is on ISU Monday no question after this performance.
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Don’t think I can even find joy rooting against Kentucky now
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@kjayhawks If we lose Monday kiss the streak bye bye.
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@Big-Clyde52 I don’t think we lose Monday…but this was a bad loss…really hurts.
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Oh the streak is over. ISU will drub KU again. Prohm is a good coach.
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I think we get hammered Monday and limp into the NCAA tournament and get hammered by some mid major first game.
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I’m over the streak. I just want to see this team improve every game. That includes Self getting better in the 2nd half. He has to be one of the worst coach from minutes 21-38 in the country.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’m over the streak. I just want to see this team improve every game. That includes Self getting better in the 2nd half. He has to be one of the worst coach from minutes 21-38 in the country.
This is where I am at with it too. As anyone besides Garrett improved much over the course of the season?
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Second game we have blown with 6 point lead under 2 minutes to go.
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Garrett is attacking the rim. Props there. That makes his lineup presence a positive. Really like what I’ve seen.
It’s a bit sad that we can script something for Dedric.
Heck, Dotson couldn’t even get open to get the ball in his hands.
SDS becoming eligible is perhaps THE key moving forward.
@Kcmatt7 I’ve been over the streak for quit a while … like since it started. We play this game as a blue blood to be a champion. It’s like the Braves winning the NL East. Nice streak. Impressive. One title.
BUT THIS IS FAR FROM OVER ON ALL FRONTS. Lots of season left. Heck, we could win the tourney as a 5 seed.
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Bill went full on squeak there
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Self admits he should have called timeout. Cant take it back now
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We are damn lucky to have 15 wins. Could very easy be 11-7 or worse if not for several career games by Vick. Hard to be excited about this team going forward. ZERO consistent shooters, inconsistent inside play, very sloppy with our positions, terrible FT shooters. Could go on but I digress. Just totally disgusted.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I’m over the streak. I just want to see this team improve every game. That includes Self getting better in the 2nd half. He has to be one of the worst coach from minutes 21-38 in the country.
This is where I am at with it too. As anyone besides Garrett improved much over the course of the season?
Nope. And with Doke gone we are a team without an offensive identity. Our guards don’t see the floor well enough to get any sort of offensive flow. And now we are sitting Ochai and stunting his growth and killing confidence.
As good as Bill Self is, there is a reason for only one NC. He is competitive to a fault and stunts team development. My opinion at least.
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@Big-Clyde52 Sorry, I meant possessions, not positions. But I am not to happy with our position either.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Garrett is attacking the rim. Props there. That makes his lineup presence a positive. Really like what I’ve seen.
It’s a bit sad that we can script something for Dedric.
Heck, Dotson couldn’t even get open to get the ball in his hands.
SDS becoming eligible is perhaps THE key moving forward.
@Kcmatt7 I’ve been over the streak for quit a while … like since it started. We play this game as a blue blood to be a champion. It’s like the Braves winning the NL East. Nice streak. Impressive. One title.
BUT THIS IS FAR FROM OVER ON ALL FRONTS. Lots of season left. Heck, we could win the tourney as a 5 seed.
It just became the one goal. Instead of a part of the journey. Self even seems overly fixated on it.
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Kcmatt7 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
Garrett is attacking the rim. Props there. That makes his lineup presence a positive. Really like what I’ve seen.
It’s a bit sad that we can script something for Dedric.
Heck, Dotson couldn’t even get open to get the ball in his hands.
SDS becoming eligible is perhaps THE key moving forward.
@Kcmatt7 I’ve been over the streak for quit a while … like since it started. We play this game as a blue blood to be a champion. It’s like the Braves winning the NL East. Nice streak. Impressive. One title.
BUT THIS IS FAR FROM OVER ON ALL FRONTS. Lots of season left. Heck, we could win the tourney as a 5 seed.
It just became the one goal. Instead of a part of the journey. Self even seems overly fixated on it.
I agree and I find it disturbing.
Oh and I don’t think this team has any chance to win the NCAAT. Certainly not w/o Silvio.
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Kcmatt7 said:
And now we are sitting Ochai and stunting his growth and killing confidence.
Ochai today wasn’t playing like we’ve seen previously. 3 turnovers in 4 minutes, missed his only shot under the basket, his first miss at the rim in the games he’s played. Sitting him the 2nd half wasn’t a horrible idea. He’ll bounce back.
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Without Doke Dedrics lack of athleticism is really hurting us. Dave has the energy and size but is out of position a lot. Mitch was brain dead. The post is wide open for biz against us. Zero rim protection. Mr Lawyer, we need SDS in the worst way.
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Dedric was getting pushed around by Culver under the rim all day.
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Young team going through growing pains and Self letting them make those mistakes. This team has learn to close out games at some point on the road and this is the only to do so is to be in the situations. Frustrating when they can’t do it, but they have to figure it out on their own at some point though.
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To think that this group was picked number 1 preseason by many. Certainly not playing anything close to it now. Lots of issues. Perhaps the biggest difference from past KU teams is the complete absence of a transition game. The Hawks have always been known for being able to run the break, create points off of steals and win the transition game. Not so with this team. Unless Dotson can get past everyone with speed for a layup, we can’t score in transition - no one knows how to run a break or can finish at the rim…
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Outside of Garrett our effort just hasnt been there the last 3 games IMO. We aren’t the first team on the floor, we are beat down the floor.
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I’m sorry but I’m tired of Dedric. He isn’t competitive, doesn’t hustle, cant jump, cant slide his feet, and most importantly is not a leader. He reminds me a lot of the stat stuffing guys on a lot of NBA losing teams.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 did you see post game w/players? Marcus said they have a play to run at the end, chop, they practice it. It’s better to run in a broken court so the D doesn’t set up. Guess they didn’t all understand. Dble bonus, get down hill. Not all of them w/a hi bb IQ
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@BigBad And maybe most important, useless on D in the paint along with Grimes, vick, Charlie who also play zero D.
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@Fightsongwriter you forgot KJs ill advised shots and loosey defense.
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Dedric has been big 12 player of the week numerous times. Has numerous dble dbles
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@Crimsonorblue22 Stat stuffing does not equate to wins.
