Kansas #1 in Preseason AP Poll
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Kcmatt7 said:
I actually agree. I think KSU is getting way too much pub from there crazy easy Elite 8 run. If anything, they finish 2nd because the rest of the league is weak. But they were clearly just the 4th best team last year. KU, TTU, and WVU swept them last season. They played a crazy easy non-con schedule and still lost double-digit games.
If I were to bet money on it, they lose double digit games again. Bruce has had double digit loss seasons in 14 of 20 years. He’s lost double digit games 5 consecutive years, and 11 of the last 12 years.
Don’t be fooled. Tsjts
I don’t have a problem with them being a top 25 team BUT 12? – 12 ? - - - Not buying it - -I’d be selling that for sure. You mention you could see them losing double digits this year? - - I could see that - -yet I can’t say their non con is overly tough to say the least. – Let"s look: - - -They have Denver ( W ) —Leigh ( W ) - --Georgia St ( W )-- USM Golden Eagles ( W )- - Vanderbilt ( if this were at Vanderbilt no question L ) but at Cow palace I’d Still have to say ? ) - - -George Mason ( W ) again if it was there then I would say ? ) - - - - Then we have the road all I see is 3 games non-con - - Marquette ( L 100 % L ) – - UTEP - ( ? -could go either way ) - - - Tulsa -( W )
Then conference - - West Virginia @ WV - – ( L ) - - -Iowa State @ Iowa State – ( L ) - – Texas Tech @ Tech - - ( Thinking very probable L ) - — -KU @ KU - - ( L ) ------- -TCU --@ TCU - - ( L ) - - so just a 1st glance I’m seeing pretty probable – so right there I feel for sure 6 losses another possible 2 - -Then that’s not counting any possibly Big12games at home that they could lose - -which could very easily be KU – & WV. - - So ya agree they very easily could lose double digits - - Again they gonna have to prove to me - – - -they got what it takes again THIS year , I’m just think last year they pulled it out their ass - - I’m not buying it. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG
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Will this trial effect our team at all? Can we lose DeSousa or anyone else still? Will Duke lose Zion? I’d assume that’d impact them. After Arizona’s very well publicized outing of the deal that got Ayton to their school last year right in the middle of the season without repercussion I’d be a bit miffed if we lost guys. What’s the informed take on this question?
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wissox said:
Will this trial effect our team at all? Can we lose DeSousa or anyone else still? Will Duke lose Zion? I’d assume that’d impact them. After Arizona’s very well publicized outing of the deal that got Ayton to their school last year right in the middle of the season without repercussion I’d be a bit miffed if we lost guys. What’s the informed take on this question?
So far, the only thing that is known as fact, or at least testified under by the guilty party in court is that Silvio was given $2500 for some online classes.
If we assume the NCAA only acts on that, I imagine that would have to be paid back and Silvio misses some small number of games. KU/Self could take a more cautious approach and just sit him all season.
Hopefully we find out within the next few weeks.
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Exactly. The $2,500 is the only money related to KU and even for that, there is no evidence KU knew about it. If I recall correctly, Darnell Jackson was found to have received a pick up truck worth $5,000 and he got a 9 game suspension. Josh Shelby was found to have received ~$5,800 and was suspended for 9 games. Malik Pope was suspended 1 game for allegedly taking a loan for $1,400. Worst case Silvio is asked to reimburse the money and get a 2-3 game suspension.
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@BShark Ya I had thought that this would take longer to play out.- - Now that the this is in the hands of the jury , we should know something soon. - I think it is going quicker then in some thought. I think once this is over then I truly believe that the NCAA won’t take long before they do whatever they are going to do – OF anything , which I believe there will be SOMETHING - - but -I think NCAA people probably already gained a lot of information they would need right from this trial without researching for a lot more. - -I think this trial brought out a lot of what they would be looking for.
Now it’s just a matter of what the verdict comes back as for them to pretty much decide what THEIR gonna do, - I’m feeling more that we won’t be hit THAT hard. – kind of agree about Silvio - might be a few more then what you think possibly - -not sure 100% - -we shall see - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Where will Silvio get the money to reimburse the alleged $2500?
I suppose he could ask his corrupt guardian.
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Thanks. I knew it wasn’t recent that KU was #1 preseason. I don’t particularly care for the expectation that comes with being #1 in this day and age but its a feather in the cap I suppose for the program.
Any positive news is good news right now
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BeddieKU23 said:
Where will Silvio get the money to reimburse the alleged $2500?
I suppose he could ask his corrupt guardian.
I mean where did Darnell or Selby get the money? I don’t think it will be an issue.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Where will Silvio get the money to reimburse the alleged $2500?
I suppose he could ask his corrupt guardian.
I mean where did Darnell or Selby get the money? I don’t think it will be an issue.
Yeah I’m sure it could be worked out but in Silvio’s case his family may not have the means to provide that. I’m not familiar with his entire story but him having a guardian who’s dirty certainly doesn’t provide him the most logical place to look for legal, help
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@BShark I think they are allowed to set up payment plans, but the money usually goes to a charity, I think. If repaid, it just goes back to someone who has helped corrupt the process in the first place.
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How many games did Diallo miss for his guardian providing bubble gum and scoobie snacks to him?
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@BeddieKU23 “Guardian” for that jerk and Silvio’s clown is clearly a misnomer.
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K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 “Guardian” for that jerk and Silvio’s clown is clearly a misnomer.
Unfortunately you sign up for handlers and guardians when you recruit African kids.
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BShark said:
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 “Guardian” for that jerk and Silvio’s clown is clearly a misnomer.
Unfortunately you sign up for handlers and guardians when you recruit African kids.
Unfortunately when we sign up to follow KU basketball you have a yearly circus of big man eligibility.
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@BeddieKU23 I would have my fingers crossed about whether Wade could reinjure his foot. “Stress reactions” all too often seem to indicate a vulnerabilty to recurrence.
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 I would have my fingers crossed about whether Wade could reinjure his foot. “Stress reactions” all too often seem to indicate a vulnerabilty to recurrence.
Good observation, especially as the season wears on it will be a possible concern.
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BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
Tell them to lay off the kool-aid, that doesn’t take much considering their roster. That would be like us telling them Mitch Lightfoot was the 2nd best big on the team last year. (No offense to Mitch)
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
Tell them to lay off the kool-aid, that doesn’t take much considering their roster. That would be like telling us telling them Mitch Lightfoot was the 2nd best big on the team last year. (No offense to Mitch)
To be fair they also aren’t sold on Mawein.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
Tell them to lay off the kool-aid, that doesn’t take much considering their roster. That would be like telling us telling them Mitch Lightfoot was the 2nd best big on the team last year. (No offense to Mitch)
To be fair they also aren’t sold on Mawein.
He went all NBA Jams on us last year. Can’t say I’m underestimating him again
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
Tell them to lay off the kool-aid, that doesn’t take much considering their roster. That would be like telling us telling them Mitch Lightfoot was the 2nd best big on the team last year. (No offense to Mitch)
To be fair they also aren’t sold on Mawein.
He went all NBA Jams on us last year. Can’t say I’m underestimating him again
The Mitch Lightfoot played 21 minutes game!
Things are going to be a lot different this year in regards to interior defense.
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Agreed things will be different. I still came away impressed with Mawien so I’m surprised the purps are not as high on him.
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@BeddieKU23 He was pretty bad and soft offensively most of the year. Seems like he was hot or cold. He could get 15, but he also had games with 0-2 points regularly. Might just be a confidence issue as he had some games with 15+ minutes and 0-2 shots attempted.
Apparently Trice is pretty athletic. Overall they are hopeful that they have 3-4 D1 capable bigs. Which includes Wade, Mawien and Trice. They aren’t sure who the 4th one will be, moreso just hoping that between Love, Stockard and Shadd that one of them emerges as a competent player that doesn’t kill you when he goes out there.
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Yeah he wasn’t consistent for large parts of the season. He had what 4 & 3 points in the first two meetings before his 29 point effort in the last meeting. He did reach double figures in 9 games. As unheralded of a transfer as he was he surpassed any expectation I had on him so I’m surprised K-St fans aren’t expecting more of him in year two.
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Even if Silvio misses a large portion of the year, with D. Lawson, Azubuike, McCormack and Lightfoot, KU still has an interior rotation that is far superior to most every team in the country. There are really only three guys KU can’t replace from a skillset perspective - D. Lawson because of his versatility, Grimes because he’s just so talented, and K. Lawson because he can guard almost any position in college basketball with his size/athleticism combination.
Everyone else KU has a solution. Vick could probably even impersonate Grimes’ production, although he isn’t the scorer or passer that Grimes is.
There’s really no adequate match for either Lawson brother, though.
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I see it a little bit differently but you made a very good case for why KU would be okay without Silvio.
Silvio is arguably the 2nd best rebounder on the team. His per 40 rebound numbers were very good. His PER is 3rd behind Doke & Dedric.
He can play both frontcourt positions if needed at his size/strength which gives KU more lineup flexibility.
He shot 68% from the field & 71% on FT’s.
Honestly I don’t think what he would give this team is replaceable but we have depth in Mitch/Dave to use which is completely different from the last few eligibility issues we’ve ran into which is every year now.
I might be in the minority but I thought Silvio made us a better basketball team and with this roster we have it would be nice to have 100% of this team at Self’s disposal
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I don’t know that what Silvio brings can be duplicated. But his loss can most likely be mitigated. I don’t see this team dropping off much without him. So many different lineup combos that can be put in that his loss can be made up for in a lot of other ways.
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I would say Silvio is the best rebounder on the team and I’m not sure it’s that close. Just looking at some numbers from last season and from Dedric’s 2nd season at Memphis:
Udoka Azubuike: 11.9 rebounds per 40 minutes, 16.9 Total Rebounding Percentage (TRB%)
Dedric Lawson: 11.5 rebounds per 40 minutes, 15.9 TRB%
Mitch Lightfoot: 8.7 rebounds per 40 minutes, 12.4 TRB%
Silvio De Sousa: 16.9 rebounds per 40 minutes, 24.0 TRB%
Silvio isn’t someone KU can replace. If he plays he takes KU to another level.
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As good as Silvio is, his absence opens the door to a Lawson/Lawson front line, which allows us to also play Vick, Grimes, and Dotson. We instantly morph into the world’s first 5 OUT team. 5 shooters …5 drivers… the 4 Out on STEROIDS…
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@KUSTEVE I think Jay Wright would like to have a word with you.
But I do agree that it would be nice to see some NBA spread the floor concepts for stretches.
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@Kcmatt7 We can bring the thunder or bring the speed. This is a multi layered behemoth. It will be fascinating to watch this team play in a variety of ways.
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Silvio is a starter caliber player that would come off the bench. That’s a game changer.
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BShark said:
Silvio is a starter caliber player that would come off the bench. That’s a game changer.
I’ll give Fran credit for this one, he was right
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@BeddieKU23 Fran is like Rothstein, a mouthpiece for the coaches.
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BeddieKU23 said:
That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
…at KSU. He inherited a championship caliber team from Bill Self at Illinois.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I might be in the minority but I thought Silvio made us a better basketball team and with this roster we have it would be nice to have 100% of this team at Self’s disposal
I agree with you that Silvio made this team better. I think there would be a drop off if Silvio wasn’t there, but it’s not a drop off that KU can’t cover with other talent. Big Dave will be another solid rebounder. He won’t offer the energy and athleticism Silvio brings, but he can bring that element. If Silvio isn’t there, we may lean on the Lawson brothers more, but that’s not necessarily a problem if those guys are healthy because they are both just so good.
KU is different without Silvio, but I don’t know if that means KU is worse without Silvio.
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@justanotherfan I think we don’t know how good Silvio can be. Last year he stepped into the team cold as a second semester HS senior so those numbers are meaningless. With 9 months of KU coaching and Hudyfying, nonstop peer influence, and probably daily pickup games with and against KU’s F4 calibre players, I think his improvement could be far beyond any amount anyone is predicting.
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mayjay said:
@justanotherfan I think we don’t know how good Silvio can be. Last year he stepped into the team cold as a second semester HS senior so those numbers are meaningless. With 9 months of KU coaching and Hudyfying, nonstop peer influence, and probably daily pickup games with and against KU’s F4 calibre players, I think his improvement could be far beyond any amount anyone is predicting.
My take on Silvio is that he probably isn’t ever going to be a great offensive player. He just doesn’t have tons of post moves/ skill. He is already a top flight rebounder/ defender and I think he will continue to improve in those areas. However, to be a star, he would need to improve substantially offensively, and that’s something I don’t know that he can do because he doesn’t have the moves or touch.
Perhaps he develops the ball handling skills and shooting touch, but I just don’t see it. With most guys, you see flashes of those skills fairly quickly, even when they are struggling to put them together in a game context. I don’t see that with Silvio. I think TRob is probably his ceiling. It’s interesting to note that as good as TRob was his last year, he only shot 50% from the field as a post player. That’s probably about what Silvio could be as a #1 option. His best case is TRob as a sophomore, grabbing half a dozen boards a game and shooting over 60% as the non primary option off the bench.
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I guess we can predict what Silvio’s pro career would look like now. Europe or G-League? Which one y’all got?>
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Europe.
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The NCAA penalty will be telling. Any thing more than a few game suspension and KU might have more problems we don’t know. If, as I anticipate, it comes down to a few game suspension then it is smooth sailing moving forward,
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@BeddieKU23 He will bring a pro league to Angola.
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