Kansas #1 in Preseason AP Poll
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark WSU beat osu in a scrimmage
OSU is probably going to finish last in the Big-12 for what its worth
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark WSU beat osu in a scrimmage
That was a really bad scrimmage between two bad teams from what I’ve heard. 57-43 final that WSU won and yes a full 40 minute game.
OSU worst team in the B12 by far.
Anyway for those that don’t want to check. WSU #72 Kenpom and AAC coaches voted them 8th in conference. AP voters have them #7 in the entire country. I’m not sure we have ever seen a discrepancy like that before.
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If Wichita wins 20 games this season I’ll be stunned.
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BeddieKU23 said:
On paper I don’t think there’s a clear cut #1. So much roster turnover makes it impossible to know for sure which teams have the right chemistry and talent. My overall opinion is College Basketball is down overall but that should make it very competitive
The three most talented teams on paper are KU, UK, & Duke.
Nevada, Tennessee, Kansas St & Virginia have a mix of talent and veterans returning from good teams.
UNC, Oregon & Villanova are hard to evaluate right now but have Top 25 teams.
I don’t know, I’m really high on Kansas and Kentucky this season. I think they are going to be a few notches above everyone else. If you asked me right now if I would pick Kansas and Kentucky or the field to win a national title I would probably take Kansas and Kentucky.
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They must be looking at past WSU teams. This year’s version is depleted and will not do that well. Marshall must really like WSU or else should have left when his teams were hot…after the upcoming season his stock will not be that high, although he might surprise.
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They’re hoping teddy buckets-wvu transfer is eligible this year.
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Marshall and WSU are a perfect couple.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BeddieKU23 said:
On paper I don’t think there’s a clear cut #1. So much roster turnover makes it impossible to know for sure which teams have the right chemistry and talent. My overall opinion is College Basketball is down overall but that should make it very competitive
The three most talented teams on paper are KU, UK, & Duke.
Nevada, Tennessee, Kansas St & Virginia have a mix of talent and veterans returning from good teams.
UNC, Oregon & Villanova are hard to evaluate right now but have Top 25 teams.
I don’t know, I’m really high on Kansas and Kentucky this season. I think they are going to be a few notches above everyone else. If you asked me right now if I would pick Kansas and Kentucky or the field to win a national title I would probably take Kansas and Kentucky.
I’m high on KU as well, the depth and collection of talent is as good as we’ve potentially had since 08. We’ll see if they play to the expectations already placed on them. I’m remaining guarded until I see how the pieces fit on the floor. If Dedric & Grimes are what we expect then we should have every chance to separate from the pack
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
They’re hoping teddy buckets-wvu transfer is eligible this year.
Do you know on the merits of what? Huggins kicked him off the team (unofficially)
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Anyone know the last time KU was preseason #1?
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09-10 I think.
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@BShark Marshall could pull a Turgeon after a bad year or two. If he stays he will turn into the Bill Synder of Basketball there. Will have had one of the best runs in school history and then do just enough to pull a few upsets from time to time and keep his job. He really has the Athletic department by the balls with his huge contract. He makes more than several coaches that have won NCs.
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BShark said:
Anyway for those that don’t want to check. WSU #72 Kenpom and AAC coaches voted them 8th in conference. AP voters have them #7 in the entire country. I’m not sure we have ever seen a discrepancy like that before.
I believe you have last year’s ranking. AP voters DO NOT have Wichita State ranked for 2018-2019
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JayHawkFanToo said:
BShark said:
Anyway for those that don’t want to check. WSU #72 Kenpom and AAC coaches voted them 8th in conference. AP voters have them #7 in the entire country. I’m not sure we have ever seen a discrepancy like that before.
I believe you have last year’s ranking. AP voters DO NOT have Wichita State ranked for 2018-2019
That makes much more sense.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article220179980.html
Thanks. Interesting case. The NCAA approved Herron & today gave Braxton Key one at Virginia. Could work in his favor. Will be interesting to see how the feedback from Huggins and WVU goes… He didn’t have the option to go back to them
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wissox said:
KSU lost to Loyola last year in the tourney who has a 95 year old nun playing for them! They’re garbage! They’re silo tech. They couldn’t beat the Haskell JV team, heck they probably couldn’t beat the Topeka Y.
Actually @jayballer73 I gots to go with the rest of the brethren here and disagree. KSU is gonna be a nice team this year. They return a lot of experience. I’m looking forward to those games. They should be fun.
Hey it’s ok man – everyone has a right to an opinion - -just don’t have to agree. - -I stick with mine - -again I’m just not seeing it I just think they has a wonder year the perfect scenario for them last year.
I think well pretty much know if K-State played Kentucky again same squads as last year even WITH WADE Kentucky would win 4-5 from them - yet I ain’t hatin for people who think they are legit it’s all good. - -Everyone is entitled, yet my closing statement is - - - NOPE - - NOPE - -NOPE lol. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I actually agree. I think KSU is getting way too much pub from there crazy easy Elite 8 run. If anything, they finish 2nd because the rest of the league is weak. But they were clearly just the 4th best team last year. KU, TTU, and WVU swept them last season. They played a crazy easy non-con schedule and still lost double-digit games.
If I were to bet money on it, they lose double digit games again. Bruce has had double digit loss seasons in 14 of 20 years. He’s lost double digit games 5 consecutive years, and 11 of the last 12 years.
Don’t be fooled.
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Sneed would have to really take a big step and play like he did against Kentucky for me to think they are worthy of being a top 25 team.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Anyone know the last time KU was preseason #1?
Looks like KU has only been AP preseason #1 twice. 2010 and 2005. Surprised me! (Limited to 1965 on.)
http://www.collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/app_preseason_team.cfm?TeamID=52#.W840QRkpA0N
Note: the 2018 listing is not current… The top right of the page shows it is as of end of last season.
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If you don’t have KU, UK and Duke (the three most talented teams in the country) in your top 5, you’re doing it wrong. I can’t blame people for putting Gonzaga and Nevada high because both of those teams return guys that legitimately could have gone to the NBA.
After that it gets murky because you have some teams that return talent, but can’t overwhelm you with that talent, and teams that have incoming talent, but not enough returning.
I agree with the consensus here that KSU will be good. They will be deep and can continue to play their style. If Wade, Brown and Sneed are healthy, they can score, and they will be very good defensively. The challenge for them will be being the hunted rather than the underdog. KSU won’t be getting slighted by anybody going into the season. Can those guys keep a chip on their shoulders when they are properly regarded?
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justanotherfan said:
If you don’t have KU, UK and Duke (the three most talented teams in the country) in your top 5, you’re doing it wrong. I can’t blame people for putting Gonzaga and Nevada high because both of those teams return guys that legitimately could have gone to the NBA.
After that it gets murky because you have some teams that return talent, but can’t overwhelm you with that talent, and teams that have incoming talent, but not enough returning.
I agree with the consensus here that KSU will be good. They will be deep and can continue to play their style. If Wade, Brown and Sneed are healthy, they can score, and they will be very good defensively. The challenge for them will be being the hunted rather than the underdog. KSU won’t be getting slighted by anybody going into the season. Can those guys keep a chip on their shoulders when they are properly regarded?
I think Duke’s depth is murky. Self has shown you can do well in the tournament with little depth.
Their starting 5 should be pretty amazing and as much as I think this is a buzz word, positionless outside of Tre Jones who is clearly the PG.
Once you get past Jones, Reddish, Barrett and Zion, it’s a bunch of meh. Now I do think Barrett is NBA allstar good so he can absolutely hard carry them to success. But I can see arguments for possibly placing some teams that aren’t KU/UK (the clear 1/2) ahead of them.
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I never prefer to be number 1 preseason, but I won’t complain about it, either. I really think this team could be one of the most dominant teams we’ve ever had.
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Gonzaga is the team a lot of people are not taking seriously but they will be very good with NBA caliber experienced players and a deeper bench that Duke. Duke is overrated at this time and there are now rumors about Zion eligibility which if true would seriously handicap Duke.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I actually agree. I think KSU is getting way too much pub from there crazy easy Elite 8 run. If anything, they finish 2nd because the rest of the league is weak. But they were clearly just the 4th best team last year. KU, TTU, and WVU swept them last season. They played a crazy easy non-con schedule and still lost double-digit games.
If I were to bet money on it, they lose double digit games again. Bruce has had double digit loss seasons in 14 of 20 years. He’s lost double digit games 5 consecutive years, and 11 of the last 12 years.
Don’t be fooled. Tsjts
I don’t have a problem with them being a top 25 team BUT 12? – 12 ? - - - Not buying it - -I’d be selling that for sure. You mention you could see them losing double digits this year? - - I could see that - -yet I can’t say their non con is overly tough to say the least. – Let"s look: - - -They have Denver ( W ) —Leigh ( W ) - --Georgia St ( W )-- USM Golden Eagles ( W )- - Vanderbilt ( if this were at Vanderbilt no question L ) but at Cow palace I’d Still have to say ? ) - - -George Mason ( W ) again if it was there then I would say ? ) - - - - Then we have the road all I see is 3 games non-con - - Marquette ( L 100 % L ) – - UTEP - ( ? -could go either way ) - - - Tulsa -( W )
Then conference - - West Virginia @ WV - – ( L ) - - -Iowa State @ Iowa State – ( L ) - – Texas Tech @ Tech - - ( Thinking very probable L ) - — -KU @ KU - - ( L ) ------- -TCU --@ TCU - - ( L ) - - so just a 1st glance I’m seeing pretty probable – so right there I feel for sure 6 losses another possible 2 - -Then that’s not counting any possibly Big12games at home that they could lose - -which could very easily be KU – & WV. - - So ya agree they very easily could lose double digits - - Again they gonna have to prove to me - – - -they got what it takes again THIS year , I’m just think last year they pulled it out their ass - - I’m not buying it. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG
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Will this trial effect our team at all? Can we lose DeSousa or anyone else still? Will Duke lose Zion? I’d assume that’d impact them. After Arizona’s very well publicized outing of the deal that got Ayton to their school last year right in the middle of the season without repercussion I’d be a bit miffed if we lost guys. What’s the informed take on this question?
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wissox said:
Will this trial effect our team at all? Can we lose DeSousa or anyone else still? Will Duke lose Zion? I’d assume that’d impact them. After Arizona’s very well publicized outing of the deal that got Ayton to their school last year right in the middle of the season without repercussion I’d be a bit miffed if we lost guys. What’s the informed take on this question?
So far, the only thing that is known as fact, or at least testified under by the guilty party in court is that Silvio was given $2500 for some online classes.
If we assume the NCAA only acts on that, I imagine that would have to be paid back and Silvio misses some small number of games. KU/Self could take a more cautious approach and just sit him all season.
Hopefully we find out within the next few weeks.
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Exactly. The $2,500 is the only money related to KU and even for that, there is no evidence KU knew about it. If I recall correctly, Darnell Jackson was found to have received a pick up truck worth $5,000 and he got a 9 game suspension. Josh Shelby was found to have received ~$5,800 and was suspended for 9 games. Malik Pope was suspended 1 game for allegedly taking a loan for $1,400. Worst case Silvio is asked to reimburse the money and get a 2-3 game suspension.
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@BShark Ya I had thought that this would take longer to play out.- - Now that the this is in the hands of the jury , we should know something soon. - I think it is going quicker then in some thought. I think once this is over then I truly believe that the NCAA won’t take long before they do whatever they are going to do – OF anything , which I believe there will be SOMETHING - - but -I think NCAA people probably already gained a lot of information they would need right from this trial without researching for a lot more. - -I think this trial brought out a lot of what they would be looking for.
Now it’s just a matter of what the verdict comes back as for them to pretty much decide what THEIR gonna do, - I’m feeling more that we won’t be hit THAT hard. – kind of agree about Silvio - might be a few more then what you think possibly - -not sure 100% - -we shall see - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Where will Silvio get the money to reimburse the alleged $2500?
I suppose he could ask his corrupt guardian.
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Thanks. I knew it wasn’t recent that KU was #1 preseason. I don’t particularly care for the expectation that comes with being #1 in this day and age but its a feather in the cap I suppose for the program.
Any positive news is good news right now
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BeddieKU23 said:
Where will Silvio get the money to reimburse the alleged $2500?
I suppose he could ask his corrupt guardian.
I mean where did Darnell or Selby get the money? I don’t think it will be an issue.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Where will Silvio get the money to reimburse the alleged $2500?
I suppose he could ask his corrupt guardian.
I mean where did Darnell or Selby get the money? I don’t think it will be an issue.
Yeah I’m sure it could be worked out but in Silvio’s case his family may not have the means to provide that. I’m not familiar with his entire story but him having a guardian who’s dirty certainly doesn’t provide him the most logical place to look for legal, help
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@BShark I think they are allowed to set up payment plans, but the money usually goes to a charity, I think. If repaid, it just goes back to someone who has helped corrupt the process in the first place.
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How many games did Diallo miss for his guardian providing bubble gum and scoobie snacks to him?
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@BeddieKU23 “Guardian” for that jerk and Silvio’s clown is clearly a misnomer.
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K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 “Guardian” for that jerk and Silvio’s clown is clearly a misnomer.
Unfortunately you sign up for handlers and guardians when you recruit African kids.
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BShark said:
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 “Guardian” for that jerk and Silvio’s clown is clearly a misnomer.
Unfortunately you sign up for handlers and guardians when you recruit African kids.
Unfortunately when we sign up to follow KU basketball you have a yearly circus of big man eligibility.
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@BeddieKU23 I would have my fingers crossed about whether Wade could reinjure his foot. “Stress reactions” all too often seem to indicate a vulnerabilty to recurrence.
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 I would have my fingers crossed about whether Wade could reinjure his foot. “Stress reactions” all too often seem to indicate a vulnerabilty to recurrence.
Good observation, especially as the season wears on it will be a possible concern.
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BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
Tell them to lay off the kool-aid, that doesn’t take much considering their roster. That would be like us telling them Mitch Lightfoot was the 2nd best big on the team last year. (No offense to Mitch)
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
Tell them to lay off the kool-aid, that doesn’t take much considering their roster. That would be like telling us telling them Mitch Lightfoot was the 2nd best big on the team last year. (No offense to Mitch)
To be fair they also aren’t sold on Mawein.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
Tell them to lay off the kool-aid, that doesn’t take much considering their roster. That would be like telling us telling them Mitch Lightfoot was the 2nd best big on the team last year. (No offense to Mitch)
To be fair they also aren’t sold on Mawein.
He went all NBA Jams on us last year. Can’t say I’m underestimating him again
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
K-St should be a Top 25 team all season long. I’m not a fan of Bruce but he has 8 guys he knows he can rely on. If the JC transfer Trice can provide a role as well he’s 9 deep and none of them are freshman. That’s about as good of a situation as Weber has ever had. They should have great chemistry and the defense should keep them in games.
Trice is their 2nd best big according to my grape friends.
Tell them to lay off the kool-aid, that doesn’t take much considering their roster. That would be like telling us telling them Mitch Lightfoot was the 2nd best big on the team last year. (No offense to Mitch)
To be fair they also aren’t sold on Mawein.
He went all NBA Jams on us last year. Can’t say I’m underestimating him again
The Mitch Lightfoot played 21 minutes game!
Things are going to be a lot different this year in regards to interior defense.
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Agreed things will be different. I still came away impressed with Mawien so I’m surprised the purps are not as high on him.
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@BeddieKU23 He was pretty bad and soft offensively most of the year. Seems like he was hot or cold. He could get 15, but he also had games with 0-2 points regularly. Might just be a confidence issue as he had some games with 15+ minutes and 0-2 shots attempted.
Apparently Trice is pretty athletic. Overall they are hopeful that they have 3-4 D1 capable bigs. Which includes Wade, Mawien and Trice. They aren’t sure who the 4th one will be, moreso just hoping that between Love, Stockard and Shadd that one of them emerges as a competent player that doesn’t kill you when he goes out there.
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Yeah he wasn’t consistent for large parts of the season. He had what 4 & 3 points in the first two meetings before his 29 point effort in the last meeting. He did reach double figures in 9 games. As unheralded of a transfer as he was he surpassed any expectation I had on him so I’m surprised K-St fans aren’t expecting more of him in year two.
