Draft Declarations Thread
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark I like Malik, a lot! Gonna miss him. I hate this time of year.
I would have loved him back as much as anyone but this is the correct decision for him and was, like I said, the worst kept secret in Lawrence.
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@BShark so does this leave us over 1 on schollies or back to even? Room for Romeo yet ?
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@Blown Full up (13) on scholarships as of right now. Vick should leave though, thus room for Romeo. There is room for Romeo either way though.
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Newman is gone.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/apr/04/kansas-guard-malik-newman-enter-nba-draft/?mens_basketball
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Best of luck to Malik, I think he can be a serviceable back up in the NBA.
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BShark said:
Oubre and Diallo were just about Self’s biggest failures at KU imo. Oubre played about as many minutes as Jamari, while Oubre was no worse than the third best player on that team. Self should have unleashed Oubre from the start, instead he stifled him and it hurt his development.
Oubre with all of his talent was not playing good enough defense and Self sat his ass. It motivated him and it worked. Go look at the guys Cal at Kentucky doesnt get to quick enough in the short amount of he has. Self has run into that a couple of times too. Some kids take a bit longer to get it mentally. When they are considered one and done there is pressure, which Self will NEVER succumb to, to play them anyway.
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Duke’s Trevon Duval declares for NBA Draft @AdamZagoria
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Duke’s Trevon Duval declares for NBA Draft @AdamZagoria
No shocker there. He didn’t really want to play college ball anyway.
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@FarmerJayhawk Quite frankly I was surprised he did.
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Jayhawks’ Malik Newman could go in first round, NBA execs say
Ok…Vick? Cunliffe? Since Newman declared, that opens up pt for Romeo. Look for Romeo to commit once Vick jumps or Cunliffe transfers.
Come on Romeo, commit already. Self will work out the paper.
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BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Quite frankly I was surprised he did.
Really? He was always a guy who was gone no matter what. It was Duke or overseas for him. Kid wants paid.
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@FarmerJayhawk No I mean I’m surprised he played in college. I was thinking he might go the Mudiay/TFerg route and play somewhere else for a year and get paid.
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BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk No I mean I’m surprised he played in college. I was thinking he might go the Mudiay/TFerg route and play somewhere else for a year and get paid.
Ah gotcha. I was too. I figured he’d go with the UA to Australia pipeline.
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@kjayhawks I don’t know you well enough, but if that were from my lips “Serviceable NBA backup” it would have been dripping with sarcasm.
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@nuleafjhawk Lol, no that’s not in my sarcasm font, I actually think he can be.
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Newman can hopefully linger around the NBA but worst case scenario he is playing pro ball somewhere else for 1 million+ a year. He was smart to leave now.
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Figured Newman was a goner, and wish him luck. I enjoyed his month or two as a Jayhawk a lot for sure.
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@kjayhawks See, that’s just funny as hell to me. Be a legend in Lawrence and then make a bunch of dough, or jump to the NBA and be a well paid, no name pine rider for 10 years. Its probably just me - I only remember and respect players who stay the duration in college. I’m still pissed at Paul Pierce.
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@nuleafjhawk Pierce, Gooden, Aldrich and a few others at least stayed three years. I can live with that. Slipping in to get some ESPN time for a year. Bleh.
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@nuleafjhawk It depends on the situation, my inside sources told me he’d be here one year with him already playing one at MSU and sitting out a year. I’m not mad at any of the guys for leaving early, the purpose of college is to prepare yourself for your profession. If a kid is projected in the first round, which means you get a contract for 3 years, I have no problem with that. It’s not the kids fault it’s a faulty system. Now the kids that leave like Josh Selby to get picked late second round, one could argue that pretty silly but hell not being drafted worked pretty well for Selden.
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@nuleafjhawk I’m still mad at Norm Cook.
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@mayjay May he rest in peace.
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@kjayhawks Who’s Josh Selby?
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@DanR 3 years is tolerable. Still, who are the KU players that we all really love? For me - Frank Mason, Devonte Graham, Svi, Danny Manning, oh Lord - so many who stayed all 4 years when they could (or some would say should) have gone early but stayed at KU for one reason -loyalty. Loyal to their coaches, loyal to their fans, loyal to themselves. College basketball at The University of Kansas is the experience of a lifetime. The NBA is a effing job. That’s it. A high paying job to be sure, but a job.
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@mayjay I’m a little weirded out right now. I’ve followed KU basketball seriously since I was probably 10 years old (1968) I had to Google Norm Cook. I don’t have any recollection of him. My apologies to Mr Cook’s family, friends, fans.
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@nuleafjhawk He was great. The first freshmen to start at KU. Since you googled, I guess you know his tragic story. He was one of my heroes when he played.
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@nuleafjhawk Might I recommend the KSU or WSU programs? Almost all their players stay 4 years!
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@BShark I get mad at JUCO players for leaving after 2 years.
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Lonnie Walker and his 2 feet hair are off to the NBA with a Hair Agent
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Collin Sexton to Draft
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@BShark Ouch
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@BeddieKU23 Both of those are totally stunning…
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A big thank you shout out to Malik!
He figured things out and became extremely effective. I wish him the best moving forward! Another great Jayhawk that will always be remembered and honored in Jayhawkland and AFH!
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BucknellJayhawk3 said:
If only Self could assemble a Fab Five of sorts. Like everyone else, we are always a piece or two away from a complete team. Next year will be no different. Was our best “Fab Five” the '08 team?
Next year is pretty complete. Just young in the back court.
If Grimes stays a 2nd year watch out, he will be a star. SO Dotson, SO Grimes, JR Garrett, Matt Hurt, JR Silvio would be about as good of a line-up as we’ve ever seen. Would have some solid reserves too.
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@BShark I was thinking next year might be the most complete team (talent wise) we’ve had in a while, with the caveat that we won’t have that many returning minutes, especially if Vick leaves. Things will certainly be interesting with young guards.
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@BucknellJayhawk3 Agree. Very complete, lots of options. I hope that Self finds the best style for the pieces.
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@nuleafjhawk To your point … I had my issues with Jamari Traylor’s playing time. But I certainly hold Traylor, and his time here, and his contributions and commitment to Kansas in higher stead than an Andrew Wiggins, or Josh Jackson, for example. Win a NC, and I’ll talk about reconsidering. Not that I look down on the OADs, I appreciate who they are and what they are, and I understand the lure of instant generational money. But I’m selfishly interested in Kansas basketball, that’s all. No doubt they help KU recruit and give our program increased value and prestige. I’d just rather shake Traylor’s hand, if I had to choose.
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Traylor was a warrior for this program for 5 years I can’t fault him at all. Can fault Self for his minutes though.
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Looking at our roster, and projected future rosters, I think this is where Self goes on an unprecedented run of FFs and possibly NCs. We have a great combination of size, talent and depth. A great mix of 4 year guys and potential OADs. Mitch will go from our 2nd big to possibly our 6th depending on how everything shakes out still. At least the 4th. That is depth. We brought in a nice project in Ochai, we have a great project at PG coming next season in Jacobs, we have ins with what feels like 6 of the 2019 post players, local talent is emerging, potential for another generational type African Big in 2020, USA Basketball will make a nice impact, etc etc etc.
Things look good. I haven’t been this optimistic about winning a NC in a good lone while.
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@HighEliteMajor I always go back to Danny Manning. He would have been totally justified to jump to the NBA at any point - as a Sophomore or a Junior. He literally became a legend by staying all four years PLUS won us another National Championship. Would we have a couple more if, say Wiggins or Josh Jackson had stayed? Maybe not, but they would have been held in much higher esteem in my eyes. And I know that’s important to them…
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Kcmatt7 said:
Looking at our roster, and projected future rosters, I think this is where Self goes on an unprecedented run of FFs and possibly NCs. We have a great combination of size, talent and depth. A great mix of 4 year guys and potential OADs. Mitch will go from our 2nd big to possibly our 6th depending on how everything shakes out still. At least the 4th. That is depth. We brought in a nice project in Ochai, we have a great project at PG coming next season in Jacobs, we have ins with what feels like 6 of the 2019 post players, local talent is emerging, potential for another generational type African Big in 2020, USA Basketball will make a nice impact, etc etc etc.
Things look good. I haven’t been this optimistic about winning a NC in a good lone while.
I’M FIRED UP.
Ochai just won the area poty: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/high-school/article207998279.html
Jacobs will be great in time. Kid is a warrior and has that Tyshawn/Mario shit talking swagger game down. Give me those types over shy players every time.
2019 class could be loaded again.
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@nuleafjhawk It was the 80s, totally different time. For the most part, players stayed in school.
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@BShark It wasn’t unheard of, but yes that’s true. Still, it doesn’t change my question of what would have happened if some of those who had bailed on us would have stayed.
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@nuleafjhawk Kentucky would probably have a lot of championships.
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@BShark Lol - no doubt.
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@nuleafjhawk I’m still pissed at Drew Gooden. 2003 National champs, might have gone undefeated.
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While I don’t begrudge any kid for going early for the money, I still get miffed at kids throwing away the potential to win the big one in college. I loved it when Frank Kaminsky wrote an article saying he could get drafted and play for some team like Charlotte and 10,000 bored fans, or come back for his senior year and play in front of 16,000 crazy college fans. It was a no brainer.
I actually read on a similar thread that some fans were somewhat relieved because now KU will have a better chance of landing Romeo. They’d be glad I guess to have a freshman ranked 5th in the country, over a 4th year junior, who incidentally was ranked 3rd in the country? Pretty crazy.
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@wissox Those people are silly Newman would’ve been great to have back. Vick I’m torn on, I wish he had some leadership qualities.
