Recruiting Thread
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@BeddieKU23 Part of why I feel good about Doke staying is that we haven’t heard anything about KU even kicking the tires around on available post players.
I guess it could be that Self is content with 2x Lawson, Mitch, Silvio and McCormack but I have a feeling Doke will be back.
EJ is already visiting UNC, Duke and UK. I doubt we bother.
I’m sure Self will look at guard options but if it isn’t a one year player I’d like to have the slot open. Romeo is the best option by a lot.
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@BeddieKU23 I remember you said you had a contact at Brewster. Could you ask him about https://247sports.com/Player/Walter-Ellis-46045199
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Part of why I feel good about Doke staying is that we haven’t heard anything about KU even kicking the tires around on available post players.
I guess it could be that Self is content with 2x Lawson, Mitch, Silvio and McCormack but I have a feeling Doke will be back.
EJ is already visiting UNC, Duke and UK. I doubt we bother.
I’m sure Self will look at guard options but if it isn’t a one year player I’d like to have the slot open. Romeo is the best option by a lot.
I hope he returns, he’ll finally have someone to play beside.
I agree Romeo is the best option by a mile. And if we miss on him its in the “Ayton, Young” category. I think missing on him if the guys leave that might get nudged out etc would be a gigantic miss. Romeo can help this team win games with how many guys could potentially leaving the program at season’s end. Talent can overcome experience.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I remember you said you had a contact at Brewster. Could you ask him about https://247sports.com/Player/Walter-Ellis-46045199
He was mentioned as someone that would do better at a Mid-Major D-1 school. A few P5 teams have kicked the bucket on him but he has mostly outside P5 offers. My contact has always said KU should have pursued Isiah Mucius harder. He’s mentioned that Manning’s job might not be as safe as it was weeks ago…
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t think he is as much of a need as Ayton but of course we would be better with him. I also don’t think he is Trae Young in terms of impact but of course I didn’t think Trae Young was in HS either lol. The “worst case scenario” of Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, Moore, Cunliffe and Agbaji is pretty good.
If Danny get canned (good lord he is 9-16 this year and 52-65 overall at Wake so I could see it) I’d hope the staff takes a real look at Mucius if he becomes available.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I don’t think he is as much of a need as Ayton but of course we would be better with him. I also don’t think he is Trae Young in terms of impact but of course I didn’t think Trae Young was in HS either lol. The “worst case scenario” of Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, Moore, Cunliffe and Agbaji is pretty good.
If Danny get canned (good lord he is 9-16 this year and 52-65 overall at Wake so I could see it) I’d hope the staff takes a real look at Mucius if he becomes available.
The more time that passes I see Langford having a big impact if he came to KU. And I don’t necessary mean Romeo stands out individually like a Wiggins/Embiid/JJ did. I don’t think he’s that type of prospect, more in the mold of Oubre IMO. We are potentially losing so much on the perimeter that you want to replace those guys with the best available talent and we both agree he’s that. I just love his size for the perimeter and he’d be another shooter on a squad that could struggle without him. At this moment I’m considering Romeo a must have signing.
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My contact said Mucius loves the academic portion of Wake as well which KU can’t really compete with…Even if Manning is gone he’s the type of kid that would be hard to sway away unless the new coach wasn’t someone he got along with. We’ll see what happens. Mucius is kind of in the mold of KJ but probably shoots better from the perimeter. We’ll see I’m hoping KJ has put a ton of work into his shooting this year
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@BeddieKU23 Okay interesting to know and yeah KU can’t compete with WF academically. I wonder if Chaundee Brown would be a transfer candidate. We were obviously very interested in him out of HS. Of course, he couldn’t help next year…
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I’d take Brown in a heartbeat if he was available.
Mucius was big on relationship and academics. Hoard would be someone we’d have a better chance with if he opened up.
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Jaylen Hoard would be an incredible Self steal.
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BShark said:
Jaylen Hoard would be an incredible Self steal.
Hoard really didn’t visit many other schools either which is part of the reason I mentioned him. I think his father played overseas and Jaylen came to the states a few years ago. Had a KU offer as well
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Manning seat is getting very hot. The good thing he has going for him is that most of the remanint games are agains felllow bottom teams. WF is 2-11 with 5 games left; less than 3 wins in the last 5 games (not counting tournament) and his job is in serious jeopardy.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Manning seat is getting very hot. The good thing he has going for him is that most of the remanint games are agains felllow bottom teams. WF is 2-11 with 5 games left; less than 3 wins in the last 5 games (not counting tournament) and his job is in serious jeopardy.
It’s definitely getting hot with the losses piling up. I have a good friend who’s connected with Brewster Academy in NH (T-Rob, Tharpe, Graham alum from the school) and Wake has a Top 100 kid signed from Brewster. Just a few weeks ago that recruit was pretty sure he was going to be back despite the struggles. That isn’t what my friend is hearing now.
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After reading the Wisconsin board a bit I kinda feel bad for them. Didn’t realize how bad they were this season and how atrocious their recruiting has been lately. They really wanted Ochai but 99% of them knew it was over immediately if the KU offer was commit-able.
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BShark said:
After reading the Wisconsin board a bit I kinda feel bad for them. Didn’t realize how bad they were this season and how atrocious their recruiting has been lately. They really wanted Ochai but 99% of them knew it was over immediately if the KU offer was commit-able.
Losing Herro is probably going to haunt their fans for a long time…
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No question Wisconsin has fallen on hard times; short of winning the Big 10 tournament it will miss the Big Dance.
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@BeddieKU23 The worst part has to be that it was fairly obvious even back in May/June. He was always interested in UK and then once it was apparent to UK that they weren’t getting Grimes and Cal was kind of luke warm on Romeo they immediately pounced on a kid they knew they could get. Meanwhile it apparently blindsided the UW staff, but not their fanbase. They should have been still evaluating and keeping some fires warm for what was a very real possibility.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 The worst part has to be that it was fairly obvious even back in May/June. He was always interested in UK and then once it was apparent to UK that they weren’t getting Grimes and Cal was kind of luke warm on Romeo they immediately pounced on a kid they knew they could get. Meanwhile it apparently blindsided the UW staff, but not their fanbase. They should have been still evaluating and keeping some fires warm for what was a very real possibility.
Not sure their coach is going to survive much longer. I think Wisconsin has had some injury issues as well which haven’t made things any easier
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Latest 2019 NBA Mock Draft.
Grimes # 8
Vick #56
Langford #5
Zhaire Smith (Tech) #16
Konate (WVU) #40
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@BeddieKU23 You’re right. Kobe King, a talented freshman starter and Dimitric Trice a sophomore point guard both out for the season. They have no one that is a real point guard because of the injuries. They lost four times to decent teams in very close games early in the year. Lost to the aholes from Xavier who had the nerve to taunt the Wisconsin crowd at the end of the game, lost to UCLA on a last second shot, lost in the final seconds to Baylor, lost on road at tough Temple and really tough Virginia. Then the injuries hit and things really fell apart.
The jury is out on Gard. He keeps swinging and missing on recruits. His juniors this year other than Happ are complete flops. This years freshmen are good, but no one really to build a program around.
The 4th longest streak of making the dance, a 17 year streak of 4th or better in the big10, and back to the mid 90’s streak of a winning record, plus longest streak to the sweet 16 are going to end this year. Been tough to watch. I feel worst for Ethan Happ, a wonderful talent.
But on the bright side, I’ve watched less basketball this year because I don’t feel the urge to watch UW games as much.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Latest 2019 NBA Mock Draft.
Grimes # 8
Vick #56
Langford #5
Zhaire Smith (Tech) #16
Konate (WVU) #40
Well if this holds up for Grimes he will have to go unless he has some kind of Miles Bridge moment.
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Yeah being that high already will be interesting to see what happens. I expect him to have a great year next season
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I’m thinking around 10-11 ppg and 3-ish apg. Too hard to project rebounds because he likely won’t have as many opportunities as our guards the last couple years since we should be returning to two post player line-ups. Though guys like Dedric and KJ are pretty flexible as 4s.
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Jahvon Quinerly to announce Wednesday. Sounds like Villanova… Big pick up for them, Quinerly is a stud.
Wonder what’s going to happen with him and the FBI case. I know Jay wouldn’t take him unless there wasn’t going to be an issue
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@wissox Well, at least you have had KU’s exciting and consistently excellent season to keep your basketball juices flowing–uh, oops, never mind…
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That’s a tough break, I heard King & Trice were supposed to be pretty good this year.
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Self will be visiting Romeo today.
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BShark said:
Self will be visiting Romeo today.
booom shaka laka
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Quinerly to Nova as expected…
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O Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo? Deny thy Commadores and refuse thy game. Or if thou wilt not, be but signed to a letter And no longer be a Hoosier threat. ‘Tis but thy loaded 2018 roster that is thy enemy: Thou art thyself, though not a Hawk. What’s Hawk? It is nor handles nor jumper Nor dunk nor steal nor any other move Belonging to a OAD. O be some other game. What’s in a game? That which we call a dunk By any other name would sound as sweet; So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call’d, Retain that dear perfection which he owes Without that title. Romeo, doff thy game, And for that game, which is no part of thee, Take Allen Fieldhouse.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Quinerly to Nova as expected…
Probably would have been the pick in the first place if his recruitment had been totally clean.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Quinerly to Nova as expected…
Probably would have been the pick in the first place if his recruitment had been totally clean.
Can’t disagree there
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Wonder if the SF signee for Vandy will have an impact on Langford’s decision. Nesmith is set to rise in the rankings and plays the same position as Romeo
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@BeddieKU23 Doubtful.
But I think we have this one in the bag imo. If there is PT, Langford is a Hawk. Just say the magic words Bill. “I guarantee you a starting position.” And then uncross your fingers and mumble under your breath so you feel better “if you earn it.”
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Doubtful.
But I think we have this one in the bag imo. If there is PT, Langford is a Hawk. Just say the magic words Bill. “I guarantee you a starting position.” And then uncross your fingers and mumble under your breath so you feel better “if you earn it.”
Yeah I was just pointing out that another one of their signee’s is having a great year and looks poised to jump into the 40-60 range in the final rankings. They also have a transfer from Notre Dame sitting out that plays the SF position as well. Vandy is just like KU- has to make or have guys leave to make room for his signature (neither which is a big concern).
To me I think Romeo will be a Hawk. We need him and I think he would impact our championship aspirations for next season
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I’d love to get Romeo, but won’t we have at least Vick, Garrett, Moore, Cunliffe, Grimes, Dotson, and Lawson filling the 1-3 spots? And we will have Doke, Lightfoot, Lawson, and McCormick for the 4-5 spots. Where’s the room for Romeo? Who’s our starting five, and who’s off the bench?
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@hawkmoon2020 I do not expect Vick, Cunliffe or Newman to return. I also believe that Bill will turn KJ into a stretch 4 instead of a Wing.
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@Kcmatt7 just took the words out of my mouth
Add Ogbaji as well who just committed last week
Doke is a wildcard right now as well. Not on NBA radar’s but might have a desire to seek a professional job anyway.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Doubtful.
But I think we have this one in the bag imo. If there is PT, Langford is a Hawk. Just say the magic words Bill. “I guarantee you a starting position.” And then uncross your fingers and mumble under your breath so you feel better “if you earn it.”
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@hawkmoon2020 Also Silvio at the 5. If Romeo lives up to the hype he should have no problem beating out most or all of the players at the 3. I am in hopes that KJ will be a major surprise that no one is talking much about.
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@Big-Clyde52 I kind of think that the 4th post spot will be between Silvio and KJ.
KJ rebounds the ball like a grown ass man. And he is a huge mismatch offensively as a stretch 4. Makes me think post rotation will be Doke, Dedric, Lightfoot and KJ.
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Reminds me of UNC’s frontcourt last year. Talent, depth, size, scary
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@Kcmatt7 Agreed. Not sure of his minutes at Memphis, but he had some good stats. With a year at KU under their belt, I would think the Lawson’s would have a leg up on everyone else. If Doke returns, finding minutes for everyone will be a problem. Should be a good problem but you never know.
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Does anyone have the usage and efficiency numbers on Dedric at Memphis?
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@dylans Dedric had a 27 PER. Would be 2nd on the team this year. He had a 28.6% usage rate. Would be first on the team this year. So, on a crazy amount of touches he was crazy efficient.
Next season’s post play may be the most efficient 1-2 punch to ever play next to each other under Bill Self. Between Doke and Dedric, we should get close to 35ppg and we should get it at a 50% fg percentage.
Dedric also had a Defensive rating of 95.5, which would be the best on this year’s team.
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Just purely looking at stats, Dedric would be the best player on our team by a mile. Of course the competition he played was not near the level he will face next season. But even in his games against good or P5 teams, he put up numbers. 35 on Iowa. 26 on Oklahoma. 21 on Cincinnati. 19 on South Carolina. 19 on Providence.
Basically, if Dedric is motivated he dominates.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Just purely looking at stats, Dedric would be the best player on our team by a mile. Of course the competition he played was not near the level he will face next season. But even in his games against good or P5 teams, he put up numbers. 35 on Iowa. 26 on Oklahoma. 21 on Cincinnati. 19 on South Carolina. 19 on Providence.
Basically, if Dedric is motivated he dominates.
But also he wasnt surrounded by a ton of talent so defenses could key on him.
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Dedric is going to be a complete badass from everything I’ve heard.
Also yes, KJ is going to play the 4 spot.
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Coach Self seeing Romeo today - - Romeo visiting Vanderbilt Saturday for the Florida game. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I assume Romeo’s visit is an official?
Self doing the smart thing getting into his ear before that visit…
