Recruiting Thread
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Thats what I meant by all parties. The money is too good for coaches. There is always another program willing to take a player. It is just a nightmare.
Yes the money part is actually the problem.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
I wasn’t sure where to put this but so many midseason transfers now. More than I can remember. Blake Harris has left Missouri for NC State.
I was going to get around to posting that. Still think he would have been nice to have backing up Devonte this season. However having Dotson and Grimes next season more then makes up for it
Harris, unlike Moore would potentially impact recruiting. And really I don’t think our guards are an issue at all, though Newman has been mostly disappointing relative to what was expected, fair or not.
I agree Harris could have impacted recruiting. Whatever the case Self whiffed hard on evaluating who’d be a point guard on this team with Graham. With his comments recently about Newman he almost sounds stunned how bad he’s played after all that he flashed to the staff in his off-year. Whatever the case we will find out whether Newman is a new man or not real soon
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Well the staff did recruit PGs, they just didn’t land any.
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Kentucky rekindling interest in Moses Brown. But but they didn’t whiff on Bol they didn’t want him and weren’t going to take a big this class.
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@BShark right? They probably won’t offer unless Richards and Washington leave. So we’ll see.
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Moses just wants to be recruited. For a Top 20ish type player not a lot of teams seem to be that interested in dealing with him. Kid would be good in College if he stuck around for a while and developed which I doubt he’ll do
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OAD in his own mind.
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BShark said:
OAD in his own mind.
Which is why I’m fortunate KU wasn’t after him
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@BeddieKU23 I think we got two better fits. Moses doesn’t have the kind of competitive fire you want in an elite prospect. He’s got all the ability in he world but wants to be a wing. I’ve never been a huge fan of his tbh.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 I think we got two better fits. Moses doesn’t have the kind of competitive fire you want in an elite prospect. He’s got all the ability in he world but wants to be a wing. I’ve never been a huge fan of his tbh.
Agree on all points.
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If you have ESPN3 you can watch a replay of Oak Hill vs University School (lol at the name). Lots of future high level D1 players in this game including KU commit David McCormack.
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Not sure if we are recruiting this kid or not, kid still young - -only a freshman they say - - some questioning asking he is 16 yrs old that is old for a freshman they say - -out of Kentucky - so you automatically think Kentucky lock but his stats are just crazy.
His name is Zion Harmon - -seems like that name rings a bell for some reason anyways his season stats are off the charts:
Averaging 34 ppg per game - - - 8 assists per game - 55.1 % fg per game - - -90.5 % from the free thow line - - -3.4 steals per game – & 38.1 % from the 3 point line -crazy all around - -5’11 pg - -don’t know why but man his name sounds familer ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Everyone is keeping tabs on him. Everyone.
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He visited UK and KU last year. Startin reaaal early on this one.
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BShark said:
Everyone is keeping tabs on him. Everyone.
I Thought I had heard his name as someone we was keeping up with. The UK fans seem to be talking like there is some extra baggage that he brings with him - - - Three different schools in three years, and some other things going on - will be interesting to see what happens. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Watched that replay. Big Dave is going to be here for 3 years at a minimum.
Good Things:
- Decent post moves/coordination
- Great at anticipating rebounds.
- Gets decent position when he wants to.
Bad things:
- Weak hands for a guy his size
- Doesn’t move well. Laterally or Vertically. Watching him next to Carey really puts it in perspective.
It’s hard to get a gauge on him because Oak Hill doesn’t feed him the ball. Most of his points come from put backs.
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Sounds like a good Summer project for Andrea.
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All three Class of 2018 prep players who signed with KU in the early signing period were selected to play in the McDonald’s All-American game.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Watched that replay. Big Dave is going to be here for 3 years at a minimum.
Good Things:
- Decent post moves/coordination
- Great at anticipating rebounds.
- Gets decent position when he wants to.
Bad things:
- Weak hands for a guy his size
- Doesn’t move well. Laterally or Vertically. Watching him next to Carey really puts it in perspective.
It’s hard to get a gauge on him because Oak Hill doesn’t feed him the ball. Most of his points come from put backs.
Good news, he plans to graduate and should be a 4 year player. To me, he is like a much much better Landen Lucas.
Carey is a special prospect and a complete beast. I can’t fault big Dave too much for struggling. I’m not sure McCormack is an NBA level player. KU is one of four schools right now that “stand out” to Carey in recruiting. Others are Duke, Michigan State and UNC.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
All three Class of 2018 prep players who signed with KU in the early signing period were selected to play in the McDonald’s All-American game.
This is a pretttty good class. Silvio probably would have made it too if he was still in HS.
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If KU ends up getting Romeo or Zion it would make it 4 players…so much for embargo. Have we ever had 4 players in the All-Star? I am thinking that one of the classes leading to the '08 team had 3?
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@JayHawkFanToo Almost seems like a coincidence how one of the best classes KU has had under Self comes immediately following the crackdown from the FBI…
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Prospects are choosing what they consider squeaky clean programs?
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Zion W deciding Saturday. Supposedly between Clemson and UK, but SC may have become more of a factor by signing the Louisville bonus baby.
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mayjay said:
Zion W deciding Saturday. Supposedly between Clemson and UK, but SC may have become more of a factor by signing the Louisville bonus baby.
Everyone is saying Clemson but I will never count Cal out until it is done.
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I think UK is out. I think Clemson, SC, and UNC are the three left.
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Fluff article on Agbaji’s visit: https://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Ochai-Agbaji-unofficially-visiting-Kansas-for-the-Kansas-State-game--113830802
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Best bit in it: “I talked to Coach Self. He was very interested in me and what I’ve been doing,” said Agbaji. “He told me he’s done recruiting kids just on rankings and all that. He wants tough guys that he can rely on and he thinks I can be that guy. He also said he’ll get out to see me play soon,” added Agbaji.
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Doesn’t the Louisville transfer have to sit one year like Cunliffe did?
I do think that SC has a decent chance although Clemson appears to be the favorite.
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I listened to self on an ESPN interview today. Pretty good
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What did he say? Any news on you know who?
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@JayHawkFanToo same
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@JayHawkFanToo Since he never played and was booted, but cleared by the FBI, Frank is applying for a waiver.
After all, FBI ain’t nothin compared to higher authorities like the En See Eh Eh.
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BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
All three Class of 2018 prep players who signed with KU in the early signing period were selected to play in the McDonald’s All-American game.
This is a pretttty good class. Silvio probably would have made it too if he was still in HS.
Had Silvio stayed, I don’t know if he would have made the game or not. If he had, it likely would’ve been at the expense of McCormack who I believe is the only 4 star player in the game.
KU could still end up with 4 depending on Langford, or has he cooled on KU? I haven’t been able to following recruiting as close as I usually do this year so I don’t know what the most up to date on Langford is.
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Norm went to see Agbaji again last night.
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Keeping pretty close tabs I’d say…
Certainly indicates at least 1 underclass guard is not coming back right? Of course I could be reading too much into that but you don’t recruit multiple guards (Langford, Agbaji) for nothin’
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BeddieKU23 said:
Keeping pretty close tabs I’d say…
Certainly indicates at least 1 underclass guard is not coming back right? Of course I could be reading too much into that but you don’t recruit multiple guards (Langford, Agbaji) for nothin’
In the article it mention Self wants to see him. If that happens soon as well, things could happen pretty fast I’d think. Agbaji is a real junkyard dog, not afraid to mix it up at all. We all know how Self values that. I think he’d be a pretty good 4-5 year program player/glue guy. Since he is local I’m planning to get out to a couple of games to make my own observations. It does look like he is more than a back-up plan for Romeo though.
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If no scholarships are available, would he be a candidate to walk on, get financial assistance and be on line for a scholarship when one becomes available?
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@JayHawkFanToo unfortuanately no. Once you’re recruited as a player, you can’t walk on.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
If no scholarships are available, would he be a candidate to walk on, get financial assistance and be on line for a scholarship when one becomes available?
Not really, he has good solid D1 offers already. I think he would go to CSU or Oregon State over walking on here. That said I suspect there will be a scholarship available.
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@FarmerJayhawk Can you find that rule? I’ve never heard of that before.
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Wasn’t TJ Pugh recruited as a “preferred” walk on?
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@JayHawkFanToo unfortuanately no. Once you’re recruited as a player, you can’t walk on.
Never heard of that. Many schools that don’t have schoolies available still recruit players and invite them to walk on with financial assistance packages that are very close to a full scholarship.
I was just asking if he would be willing to walk on at KU with the promise of a future scholarship over getting one at a smaller program.
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dylans said:
Wasn’t TJ Pugh recruited as a “preferred” walk on?
There’s really no such thing as a preferred walk on, other than they may not have to try out for the team. I think the rub comes in the NCAA’s definition of recruited, since it’s actually pretty narrow:
(a) Providing the prospective student-athlete with an official visit; (b) Having an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians; or
Issuing a National Letter of Intent or the institution’s written o er of athletically related financial aid to the prospective student-athlete. Issuing a written offer of athletically related financial aid to a prospective student-athlete to attend a summer session prior to full-time enrollment does not cause the prospective student-athlete to become recruited.As long as you don’t do those things, a player can walk on because he wasn’t “recruited.” At least that’s my understanding.
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@FarmerJayhawk Seems like we haven’t “recruited” him quite yet.
However, I don’t think he would come to KU and walk-on.
I also could see everyone but Doke leaving and we would still have a scholarship available for both him and Langford. Not out of the realm of possibilities.
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So when Coach Roberts went and seen him , said he seen enough to have him come to Lawrence last Saturday , came with his parents Coach talked to him a bit 6’5 - 6’5 1/2 - -SF - -SG .
Ha been drawing interest from: UMKC - - Colorado State - - -Air Force - - Fresno State. - -really coming on averaging 27 ppg & 9 rpg per game - -now drawing interest from Northern Iowa - -Bradley - -Oklahoma State - -& KU
Question is , wonder really how strong of interest we have? - -If we are now interested of any sort -does that mean they feel things not looking to good for Langford? - -We don’t have room for both - would be over the limit for sure. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Jayballer54 Going to see 2 games and having him come in for a visit in the span of two weeks probably indicates we are pretty interested. Definitely have room for him and Langford, these things work themselves out. That said there is almost no chance Langford comes if Vick stays.
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The financial aid cannot come from or be arranged by the athletic program. Any student is eligible to apply for normal aid packages, including work/study, loans, grants, and academic scholarships, and then try to walk on if available. But the permissible benefits limitations, and other rules against receiving money from 3rd parties associated with the school, still apply to walkons.
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Unless someone else in addition to Graham and Svi leaves KU will be short one scholarship, right? At this point I think Vick and Doke are coming back, so the other candidates are Newman and Preston; if one leaves we are full, if both leave then there is one scholarship available.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Keeping pretty close tabs I’d say…
Certainly indicates at least 1 underclass guard is not coming back right? Of course I could be reading too much into that but you don’t recruit multiple guards (Langford, Agbaji) for nothin’
In the article it mention Self wants to see him. If that happens soon as well, things could happen pretty fast I’d think. Agbaji is a real junkyard dog, not afraid to mix it up at all. We all know how Self values that. I think he’d be a pretty good 4-5 year program player/glue guy. Since he is local I’m planning to get out to a couple of games to make my own observations. It does look like he is more than a back-up plan for Romeo though.
Awesome I look forward to your observations.
Video’s show he’s certainly athletic enough to be at KU. Has solid form on his shot. I see some shades of Wayne Selden in him as far as body, athleticism.
Since his recruitment will likely go into the spring I see no reason why the staff shouldn’t be aggressive getting a relationship with him started and seeing what happens. I imagine the kid must feel pretty excited that he went from a few offers to interest from KU. That’s big time for any kid, especially local.
