Ok so lets see if new recruiting thread
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Well Zags Blog had the little article about Zion Griffin listing his four schools and his listed visit dates. - The one thing that I read and slaps me right in the face is - - He says he doesn’t have an exactly date for his commit but has a deadline date of end of September, and this is what sticks out to me he says - - UNLESS he likes a School so much and feels ready to commit on THE SPOT.
Hmmm this strikes me as we have a really golden opportunity right here, he is visiting here what I think the 15th of Sept? - -Late Night right? - -Late night has always been a big recruiting tool in the past, recruits have said repeatedly how the environment was crazy couldn’t get over how loud it was. I would have to feel if he really has interest in KU then it would not surprise me in the least as a matter of fact it would stun/floor me if he didn’t commit that night/ late night when he was here on his visit - taking in everything considered, he will see the crazed fans, how we love our basketball - -our team, how recruits get treated while they are here on that weekend. - ya I could very easily see him committing on the spot. - -what ya think? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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IF KU turns up the heat I think he’s a Jayhawk. However is Self going to take him before Barrett and King Zion Williamson announce?
If you are referencing the article I think you are he called KU a dream come true…
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Another thing is, I think ideally he is a take along with Williamson or Barrett. However…to get Williamson his friend may have to be a take…
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And I mean…
“After I take my officials, if one of the schools that I’ve already got my eye on, if they basically show me that I’m a bigger priority than what they’re saying then I’m going to make my decision toward the end of September or start of October, one of those.”
Come on…
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@BShark This was an article that I read of zag’s blog just about an half hour ago - -just a little piece they had like three different players and talking about their schools, in this on Zionmentioned hi four schools when he was taking the visits and said If he liked the visit enough hand he was ready to commit he could commit on the spot. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark See this is one of those situations possibly as to where here we have a pretty decent player, like you have said probably a 3-4 year player that will contribute and probably constantly improve through the years, has good hops, decent shot, a player that exploded this summer and probably will continue to move up some, here he is and say he is ready to commit after his visit to KU.
Like you say do you take him right then? Or do you put him in a hold pattern and wait for one of the other two - that you have no guarantee that is going to commit to KU in the end run? - Thing being if you put him on hold and then it turns out neither Williamson or Barrett commit, your taking a chance on the kid still being there to take. - -kind of like what to do -what to do. - -a pretty dam decent player that saying wants to come right now solid pledge to commit OR take the risk - maybe he comes maybe he doesn’t. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I don’t think he wants KU so bad that he would hold off on committing from ISU if KU plays it too slow. You never know though. I think he’d be a great get.
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You take a player like that and develop him (ala Vick) unless it severely hinders recruiting. Zion Williamson and Barret wouldn’t be scared off unless there is no spot for someone’s friend…
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Scuttlebutt from other boards is Robinson will commit today to KU. Only about 1/4 the commitment we need depending on how the school chooses to deal with his situation…
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@BShark Ya that’s what I’m afraid of bud. Is he a Williamson ? - -umm no - -Is he a Barett? - -umm no - -But what he is - -is a pretty decent player looks like to me and he is headed up. I’m like yo I’m afraid if he visits and wants to commit and we try and hold off have him wait -Then ya he is gone and then who knows if we land Williamson Or Barret either one and end up zero for three.
I just think these are the kind of kids if they want to commit to us - -then we take them, solid Player sure isn’t gonna hurt ya I don’t think. I think we need to take him if he wants to commit. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 What do you mean only about 1/4 the commitment? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 do you think the sources are reliable? I’m seeing nothing to make me think he is moving towards that decision.
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@RockkChalkk I haven’t heard he was planning another visit or seeking an agent?
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RockkChalkk said:
@BeddieKU23 do you think the sources are reliable? I’m seeing nothing to make me think he is moving towards that decision.
Probably not reliable. It didn’t happen yesterday but could still be in the works over the next few days.
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 What do you mean only about 1/4 the commitment? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Obviously it will be exciting if he does commit but we literally have no idea how anything will play out.
If the school seeks a waiver and wins, great Robinson gambled and won, gets to play, then he’s gone for the draft next spring. That’s a win-win for both sides. It’s the only scenario that guarantee’s his scholarship is used for the benefit of the team and himself.
If the school seeks a waiver and he loses, the floodgate of possibilities exist. This is where committing is only about 1/4 the commitment we need at that point.
Committing -1/4. Sitting out the year commitment- 1/4, passes on NBA draft- 1/4, makes it through summer/fall without leaving- 1/4.
I’ll give this kid major respect if he has to sit and goes through with it. I think its unexpected someone in his position and talent will do that. I hope I’m wrong
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Video game society…it used to be players came out of college way more prepared for the NBA. Now everyone (not just ball players) want everything handed to them today. It’s crazy! Too many pity parties for guys not making enough money straight out of college, working to the top takes a little time. Many OADs are the same - want it handed to them before they ride off into the sunset…well they’re going to have to work some more to be successful and that hits some pretty hard.
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I hope Robinson doesn’t shy away from making a commitment to KU if KU will commit to him.
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@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
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@dylans Hey hey hey. That type of post doesn’t belong on this topic. You want to hash out how “young people” are worthless entitled little brats today then start a topic on the politics side and I’d be glad to debate that with you. But we have generations of all ages on here and that generalization is a major insult to a lot of us.
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KUSTEVE said:
@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
Can KU really go to bat for him without him being apart of KU though? I think he has to be apart of the team/university first then if he goes through the process to get a waiver and doesn’t get one he either can leave or stay and train…
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KUSTEVE said:
@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
From what I understand it’s done to KU. He’s getting backlash from his circle who wants him in the NBA next year no matter what.
Oh and Devon Dotson news… Up to top 20 (and 5 stars) on 247. Doesn’t change how he is as a player, but a deserved bump imo.
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BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
From what I understand it’s done to KU. He’s getting backlash from his circle who wants him in the NBA next year no matter what.
Oh and Devon Dotson news… Up to top 20 (and 5 stars) on 247. Doesn’t change how he is as a player, but a deserved bump imo.
Dotson really upped his game this summer. There are a ton of similarities between his game and some former and current hawks!
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
From what I understand it’s done to KU. He’s getting backlash from his circle who wants him in the NBA next year no matter what.
Oh and Devon Dotson news… Up to top 20 (and 5 stars) on 247. Doesn’t change how he is as a player, but a deserved bump imo.
Dotson really upped his game this summer. There are a ton of similarities between his game and some former and current hawks!
He’s got a lot of BIFM in his game.
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@KUSTEVE Agree, the longer this goes the less chance I believe him playing at KU. I don’t really think it matters to him as far as committing or not, about the NCAA. I just feel the way things have went with him, If he was going to commit to Ku he would of committed on his visit or shortly like Monday or at least yesterday, I just feel he would of committed and then if the NCAA said he had to sit - -he would just say NOPE I’ll sit out and declare next year for the NBA, he goes ahead and commits IF HE WERE GOING TO and then waits, if they clear then he says cool if not he says BYE. - I just think he has decided to sit out and train for the NBA next year. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
From what I understand it’s done to KU. He’s getting backlash from his circle who wants him in the NBA next year no matter what.
Oh and Devon Dotson news… Up to top 20 (and 5 stars) on 247. Doesn’t change how he is as a player, but a deserved bump imo.
Dotson really upped his game this summer. There are a ton of similarities between his game and some former and current hawks!
He’s got a lot of BIFM in his game.
Agreed, that is what I see as well
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BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
From what I understand it’s done to KU. He’s getting backlash from his circle who wants him in the NBA next year no matter what.
Oh and Devon Dotson news… Up to top 20 (and 5 stars) on 247. Doesn’t change how he is as a player, but a deserved bump imo.
So your saying it’s a no go for KU right? - -If that is the case it rally doesn’t surprise me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
From what I understand it’s done to KU. He’s getting backlash from his circle who wants him in the NBA next year no matter what.
Oh and Devon Dotson news… Up to top 20 (and 5 stars) on 247. Doesn’t change how he is as a player, but a deserved bump imo.
So your saying it’s a no go for KU right? - -If that is the case it rally doesn’t surprise me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He will announce for KU. Today or tomorrow. Likely today.
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jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@dylans I think they are waiting on what the NCAA says whether he is eligible or not. This kid’s ego is not going to allow him to sit on the bench for a year waiting to be eligible, imo. He is already being listed in mock drafts as a top 15 pick. i expect if he isn’t eligible, he won’t go to college at all.
From what I understand it’s done to KU. He’s getting backlash from his circle who wants him in the NBA next year no matter what.
Oh and Devon Dotson news… Up to top 20 (and 5 stars) on 247. Doesn’t change how he is as a player, but a deserved bump imo.
So your saying it’s a no go for KU right? - -If that is the case it rally doesn’t surprise me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think he said the opposite. Mitchell will end up at KU in spite of his family/people around him wanting otherwise
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It’s his circle that pushed him to WKU, which he hated. It’s a difficult situation here. Recruiting is often messy and usually it never comes to the surface. When Slater posts who is running a recruitment, I tend to believe him.
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Well a couple of quotes from Zion Griffin pulled off the Iowa State Board.
Concerning Iowa State from a poster: Zion says I’ve always liked the Big 12. Iowa State has been one of my favorite teams, I feel like they are a really good fit for me.
My deadline is the end of Sept, if everything plays out I will commit at the end of my visits. The poster said it all sounded good BUT he says then Zion had this to say about KU:
KU is one of my biggest offers, I like KU, because I grew up watching KU, and a lot of my favorite players are from there. I feel like I can definitely see myself fitting in there with them offering me and wanting me on their team. It is a " Dream come true" - -" it is one of my favorite Colleges " - - -Sounds to me with his visit coming on late night the guy is ours for the taking if we want him - got to feel really god about him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Kid wants KU bad, but KU has to reciprocate and show he is really needed.
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@BShark Well if that turn out to be the case then I am definitely all for it, but will feel MUCH better when it actually happens. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Should be today. I think a lot of the delay is his circle being unhappy with him committing to play a year for Self/KU and it seeming unlikely that it will be this year.
Just pass the time by watching his highlights. If he plays next year Dedric + Robinson is the best starting front court in the country PERIOD.
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@BeddieKU23 Gotcha, I understand now, it’s to bad that people can’t honor - -understand and respect the desire the wishes of the boy, - -If he didn’t really want to go to WKU in the 1st place sounds like he was just trying to satisfy everyone else no matter of his own feelings first time round. - -If I’m a parent I would want my son to be happy where he was at, not where I wanted him to be. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Does anyone know why his godfather resigned? That was before Robinson started classes. The timing may hurt his family-ties argument.
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@BShark Mercy, could you imagine?- - -OR IF for some reason Doke would come back next year also - -JUMPIN GEE HOSSIE TOADS, what a front line. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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It’s people beyond the parents sometimes unfortunately. Especially if the kid comes from a poor background. AAU is EXPENSIVE so sometimes a handler covers the cost for, you know, reciprocation later.
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@mayjay Sorry me personally - -I don’t but you could very well be right - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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mayjay said:
@jayballer54 Does anyone know why his godfather resigned? That was before Robinson started classes. The timing may hurt his family-ties argument.
Some kind of cleaning house according to WKU people. He wasn’t the only assistant that left.
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Gotcha, I understand now, it’s to bad that people can’t honor - -understand and respect the desire the wishes of the boy, - -If he didn’t really want to go to WKU in the 1st place sounds like he was just trying to satisfy everyone else no matter of his own feelings first time round. - -If I’m a parent I would want my son to be happy where he was at, not where I wanted him to be. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I can’t speak for Mitchell but your right it does seem like his situation at WKU was forced upon him instead of what he wanted. He followed Williams and Stansbury and then found out he didn’t want it.
But now if we assume correctly that he’s about to make the decision he wants to make and that isn’t what others around him want then the situation is really not settled even if he comes here. How likely is it that the kid is going to shut those people out for good?
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@BShark i like the way you think.
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BeddieKU23 said:
But now if we assume correctly that he’s about to make the decision he wants to make and that isn’t what others around him want then the situation is really not settled even if he comes here. How likely is it that the kid is going to shut those people out for good?
It’s going to be very difficult. If anyone has the panache it’s a coach like Self. Would also apply to Miller, Cal, K or Roy. I think it’s good that he is ending up at a blue blood with a big time coach.
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@BShark Ya I hear ya bud and - -that blows, things have changed so much in my life time, things so much more complicated/ complex these days . - -When I was in School playing basketball many, many moons ago we didn’t have all these shoe companies competing against one another, we had Converse - -that was it, and they was the old Cloth type high top shoes not these fancy colored or different shoe things, your right gets or can get really ugly - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Whatever happens, taking Robinson is better than an open spot on the roster.
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I haven’t seen that reason disclosed as of yet. Some speculate that Stansbury thought his relationship with Robinson was good enough that if he made the move to fire Williams that Mitchell would stick around anyway. Mitchell was committed to Texas A&M while Stansbury was on the staff and when he took the WKU gig and took Williams with him that is when Robinson switched.
I would speculate that Williams had some issues that could have been NCAA violation material if he was allowed to stay. You would think an assistant brought on to lure a Lottery pick type talent wouldn’t be dismissed mid-summer and shortly after teams are allowed to practice etc. Sounds to me that there are some things that Stansbury doesn’t want to bring attention to and just wanted to wipe his hands clean of any possible future issues.
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It’s crazy that KU is in this position in August.
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@BeddieKU23 Ya, I hear ya, it just sounds like a real mess. - -I mean what’s happened to family? - -Respect for the other, just another situation of being all about me , me, me - -Now seems like the family is just wanting/pushing towards the NBA - -soon, real soon, all about the money, money, money - -just sad. - -feel sorry for Mitchell. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG
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@BShark Without a doubt. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
