Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU
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This is a fantastic move imo. Really takes pressure off getting post players in 2018.
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Which makes this decision all the more crazy. Dedric is good enough for the NBA now, although I’m sure he was not happy about how his combine went last year. I think Hudy will maximize both of them, I can see where both of these guys will really benefit from her strength and conditioning program
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We still need Bigs for next season though.
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Gary Parrish likes it
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Ranking and Stats from their 2 years at Memphis. Obvious improvements can be made shooting the ball for both, particular from 3 land. Both are very good rebounders. Dedric is tailor made to play the 4 here.
Dedric Lawson was ranked #35,
KJ Lawson was ranked #53.
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We have one open spot for one!
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Staff looking at Juiston and Kanter still.
@BeddieKU23 said:
We have one open spot for one!
This is interesting. I think Svi is probably gone. Staff def wants another guard too, and I think it will be Allen (they want Duval too but lol). Really need two scholarships for it to work how they want, and there is no point is putting Coleby out to pasture since he will likely be a part of next year’s post rotation.
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Interesting, I think Svi stays and we use the last scholarship on a big. Can’t have just 4 healthy bigs for next season. Allen might fill a long-term need but there really isn’t a situation where he plays minutes next year, but a 5th big would definitely have a chance at beating someone out.
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@BShark Anyone in a situation to go self-pay for one season?
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Mitch maaaaaybe? I don’t know though.
I think if there is just one scholarship then it does go to a big, Juiston or Kanter probably.
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@BShark Juiston has the ability needed, Kanter has the size needed. Neither is ideal but I’d choose Juiston between the two.
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Agree I think Juiston would be a good fit. If only he had a jump shot, he’d be unreal.
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@BShark Its feeling like we will continue to see a lot of the four out/one in type of offense next year based off of how the roster is shaping up.
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Wasn’t sure where to post this:
What happened to the KC Star writing a piece in JJ and the title 9 investigations every other day ?
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They could wait until his court date and when he gets closer to getting drafted… I suspect it will be close to the NBA draft
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Looks like it. Preston is a guard in a big body. Lightfoot will put on some weight but isn’t getting any taller and has said he wants to continue to work on being a stretch 4…Having Doke back is going to help the 4 spot out so much
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Love Lucas, but Doke is capable of many things Lucas was not physically.
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Just to make sure I’m counting right, as of right now we actually have zero open scholarships. Everybody expects JJ to declare but he hasn’t yet. Maybe there is a reason he is waiting but each day that goes by makes me wonder just a little bit more. Could he actually be one of the rare breed that decides to make shockwaves by deciding to return, lol. Kansas would go from title contender to clear favorite to win it all.
Most thought the odds of Svi staying were greater than 50%, and nobody else seems like a prime transfer candidate. Unless someone has the ability to pay their own way, we currently have zero open at this minute with very high odds of one opening up after a JJ announcement.
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Yes you are correct, TECHNICALLY zero, but Josh is gone.
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@BShark Why do you have Duval in the “Nope” category? Did I miss the news that he cut KU?
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@BShark JUMPIN - - -DOUBLE - - -GEE - - - HOSSA - -FATS. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@approxinfinity Is he a brother to them or what? - - -ROCK CAHLK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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My personal belief.
Also with the success KU had with Tarik Black and Lagerald Vick, and now possibly these kids as well KU is cleaning up in Memphis. There is a top 50-ish SG in Memphis in the 18 class in TJ Moss. Will be interesting to see if KU gets involved there.
@jayballer54 said:
@BShark JUMPIN - - -DOUBLE - - -GEE - - - HOSSA - -FATS. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yes sir.
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@BeddieKU23 lol, THAT’S CRAZY LOL
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They do not necessarily have to have scholarships, they can go on sort of financial aid package, right? I am sure KU can be very creative and shift scholarships around including placing the walk-on players on financial aid packages…money is definitely not a problem since the program has a large surplus.
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Is Director of Basketball Operations open for their dad?
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@BShark hmmm, with the Lawsons coming in - and like has been said quite possibly just the one year then - -does it mean or could we see Mitch transferring out? - – - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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No. Wouldn’t surprise me if he took a red shirt year at some point though.
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If I was putting money on it, the next dominoes are JJ anouncing, Juice announcing and then either that fills out the roster or Coleby transferring if that happens. Followed by a Duval to Duke announcement and an Allen to KU.
But all of that depends on what Svi decides as well. I just don’t see him leaving… But maybe between Cunfliffe and Vick he is worried that his minutes will be limited.
Could see one of the Lawson brothers being self-pay as well. Their dad has made around $600k in the past 3 years. And it would be a small investment if it means his kids develop into NBA players…
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@BShark I think he gets caught up in a numbers game. - Getting pretty crowded at his spot. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Not the kind of player that gets forced out. Great kid to have in the program so if he leaves it’s likely his decision but I don’t think he would. Who here was close with his family, @globaljaybird I think?
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Svi had a solid junior year and I am expecting him to have an even better senior year. Senior Svi is likely better than any freshman KU can get.
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I agree. Bette chance of Lightfoot taking a red shirt year than leaving the program. How much he develops in the off-season will probably dictate where he stands.
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@RockkChalkk no he hasnt. People are just assuming things. We won’t know for sure until he announces.
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@RockkChalkk how tall is Kanter?
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@HawkChamp 6’10’’ True center.
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@HawkChamp I saw one site, ESPN I think, that said 6’-10"
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I like Svi, but someone out of Svi/Vick/Cunliffe is going to be very unhappy if Svi stays. We will see how it works out.
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@BShark Cunliffe isn’t available until 2nd semester right? Odds are he will be the short straw if Svi comes back.
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I tend to agree but I wasn’t super high on Cunliffe to begin with.
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Can you imagine the speed of a Golden State like small team with Graham, Newman, Duval, Vick and Svi with Cunlife and Garrett coming off the bench? And then throw a team with Doke and Preston just to mess with the other team?
Looks like KU is in good shape not only y for the upcoming season but for the next 2 or 3 years as well. KU went from a question mark to having more players than it knows what to do with…a good problem to have.
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I was pretty worried about KU having to rely on the 2018 class for 2+ post players. Fears alleviated!
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Now just flip Carty and we goood.
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@BShark Idk. I think there are minutes to be had for all. I kind of expect all 3 to manage 25-30 mpg depending on who is playing better.
- DG - 33 mpg
- Newman - 30 mpg
- Svi - 27 mpg
- Vick - 25 mpg
- Cunfliffe - 20 mpg
- Preston - 15 mpg
- Doke - 20 mpg
- 30 minutes left. 20 of them at the 5 and probably the other 10 minutes going to Garrett.
When HCBS has had depth he has used it. DG might not make it to 35 mpg. Sherron only played 33 and so did Tyshawn. So I expect his minutes to come down from 35 when we had no depth to more like 33.
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The issue with cutting Graham’s minutes is who’s handling the ball when he’s not on the court?
Self said Doke should be able to go 25 minutes next year. Give or take how much he learns to limit his foul trouble is the key with him.
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Hopefully Newman can pick up the slack since he will likely be playing PG if he wants to go to the NBA, Garret played PG in HS and in a pinch, he can probably play some PG as well.
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I think you can live with Newman and Garrett out there at once when Graham is out. Don’t think you can get away with say Newman/Svi/Cunliffe or sub Vick for Svi or Cunliffe in there. Esp against pressure teams. Self is no dummy of course he will figure out the best rotations.
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Fortunately now he has several players to pick from depending on whether he wants to go big, small, fast or a combination. Heck, he now has enough players to press like West Virginia. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if he unleashes a full court press on West Virginia the entire game? Huggy’s pacer would go on overdrive.
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@BeddieKU23 I think Garrett will run the show when Graham isn’t in the game. If you think Graham could get 4 minutes a game sitting just before TV timeouts that already knocks him down to 36 mpg. He played 35 last season and Frank 36. And then I think this team will really blow the doors off some teams early in the year. We have depth that we didn’t this last season. That should bring his average down to 33.
I think Doke will play 25 mpg on the high end. For two reasons. No matter how in shape he is, he can’t change that he will be 265lbs to move up and down the court. And, he will just be too foul prone. He is too big. Lucas could only average 25 mpg and he was much less aggressive defensively and offensively than Doke will be.
When conference play starts, I don’t expect Garrett to see but 4 minutes a game. So my point really is that it isn’t like Cunliffe, Vick and Svi won’t have minutes. They are there to be had.
The only thing that changes that is adding another big. Which we desperately need. I am just wondering who would be more valuable at this point. Juiston or Kanter. We need a good backup to Doke more than we need another 4.
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There can be reasons why Josh hasn’t declared yet. He is in a different situation than say Landen. I’m guessing here… but good chances we hear of his finalized declaration to leave when he signs an agent.
Josh has been very forthright in declaring his intentions, even before signing with Kansas.
Of course, I would love it if he stays and we would easily earn a top preseason ranking next year. But I find it extremely unlikely for him to stay and I actually advise him to go. I’m usually one of the last persons in here to advise a player to go early. Josh is so much further along with his game than Andrew was in his one year in Lawrence.
