Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU
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They do not necessarily have to have scholarships, they can go on sort of financial aid package, right? I am sure KU can be very creative and shift scholarships around including placing the walk-on players on financial aid packages…money is definitely not a problem since the program has a large surplus.
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Is Director of Basketball Operations open for their dad?
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@BShark hmmm, with the Lawsons coming in - and like has been said quite possibly just the one year then - -does it mean or could we see Mitch transferring out? - – - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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No. Wouldn’t surprise me if he took a red shirt year at some point though.
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If I was putting money on it, the next dominoes are JJ anouncing, Juice announcing and then either that fills out the roster or Coleby transferring if that happens. Followed by a Duval to Duke announcement and an Allen to KU.
But all of that depends on what Svi decides as well. I just don’t see him leaving… But maybe between Cunfliffe and Vick he is worried that his minutes will be limited.
Could see one of the Lawson brothers being self-pay as well. Their dad has made around $600k in the past 3 years. And it would be a small investment if it means his kids develop into NBA players…
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@BShark I think he gets caught up in a numbers game. - Getting pretty crowded at his spot. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Not the kind of player that gets forced out. Great kid to have in the program so if he leaves it’s likely his decision but I don’t think he would. Who here was close with his family, @globaljaybird I think?
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Svi had a solid junior year and I am expecting him to have an even better senior year. Senior Svi is likely better than any freshman KU can get.
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I agree. Bette chance of Lightfoot taking a red shirt year than leaving the program. How much he develops in the off-season will probably dictate where he stands.
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@RockkChalkk no he hasnt. People are just assuming things. We won’t know for sure until he announces.
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@RockkChalkk how tall is Kanter?
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@HawkChamp 6’10’’ True center.
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@HawkChamp I saw one site, ESPN I think, that said 6’-10"
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I like Svi, but someone out of Svi/Vick/Cunliffe is going to be very unhappy if Svi stays. We will see how it works out.
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@BShark Cunliffe isn’t available until 2nd semester right? Odds are he will be the short straw if Svi comes back.
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I tend to agree but I wasn’t super high on Cunliffe to begin with.
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Can you imagine the speed of a Golden State like small team with Graham, Newman, Duval, Vick and Svi with Cunlife and Garrett coming off the bench? And then throw a team with Doke and Preston just to mess with the other team?
Looks like KU is in good shape not only y for the upcoming season but for the next 2 or 3 years as well. KU went from a question mark to having more players than it knows what to do with…a good problem to have.
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I was pretty worried about KU having to rely on the 2018 class for 2+ post players. Fears alleviated!
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Now just flip Carty and we goood.
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@BShark Idk. I think there are minutes to be had for all. I kind of expect all 3 to manage 25-30 mpg depending on who is playing better.
- DG - 33 mpg
- Newman - 30 mpg
- Svi - 27 mpg
- Vick - 25 mpg
- Cunfliffe - 20 mpg
- Preston - 15 mpg
- Doke - 20 mpg
- 30 minutes left. 20 of them at the 5 and probably the other 10 minutes going to Garrett.
When HCBS has had depth he has used it. DG might not make it to 35 mpg. Sherron only played 33 and so did Tyshawn. So I expect his minutes to come down from 35 when we had no depth to more like 33.
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The issue with cutting Graham’s minutes is who’s handling the ball when he’s not on the court?
Self said Doke should be able to go 25 minutes next year. Give or take how much he learns to limit his foul trouble is the key with him.
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Hopefully Newman can pick up the slack since he will likely be playing PG if he wants to go to the NBA, Garret played PG in HS and in a pinch, he can probably play some PG as well.
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I think you can live with Newman and Garrett out there at once when Graham is out. Don’t think you can get away with say Newman/Svi/Cunliffe or sub Vick for Svi or Cunliffe in there. Esp against pressure teams. Self is no dummy of course he will figure out the best rotations.
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Fortunately now he has several players to pick from depending on whether he wants to go big, small, fast or a combination. Heck, he now has enough players to press like West Virginia. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if he unleashes a full court press on West Virginia the entire game? Huggy’s pacer would go on overdrive.
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@BeddieKU23 I think Garrett will run the show when Graham isn’t in the game. If you think Graham could get 4 minutes a game sitting just before TV timeouts that already knocks him down to 36 mpg. He played 35 last season and Frank 36. And then I think this team will really blow the doors off some teams early in the year. We have depth that we didn’t this last season. That should bring his average down to 33.
I think Doke will play 25 mpg on the high end. For two reasons. No matter how in shape he is, he can’t change that he will be 265lbs to move up and down the court. And, he will just be too foul prone. He is too big. Lucas could only average 25 mpg and he was much less aggressive defensively and offensively than Doke will be.
When conference play starts, I don’t expect Garrett to see but 4 minutes a game. So my point really is that it isn’t like Cunliffe, Vick and Svi won’t have minutes. They are there to be had.
The only thing that changes that is adding another big. Which we desperately need. I am just wondering who would be more valuable at this point. Juiston or Kanter. We need a good backup to Doke more than we need another 4.
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There can be reasons why Josh hasn’t declared yet. He is in a different situation than say Landen. I’m guessing here… but good chances we hear of his finalized declaration to leave when he signs an agent.
Josh has been very forthright in declaring his intentions, even before signing with Kansas.
Of course, I would love it if he stays and we would easily earn a top preseason ranking next year. But I find it extremely unlikely for him to stay and I actually advise him to go. I’m usually one of the last persons in here to advise a player to go early. Josh is so much further along with his game than Andrew was in his one year in Lawrence.
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@BShark OK. So with the Lawson’s transferring in , yes I realize they sit for the year BUT how does their chosing us, effect Juiston? - - Iowa State fans are all stoked now thinking that since they are coming that it will seal the deal for them and Juiston . So what YOU think?
Also I’m totally lost now - - exactly how many open spots do we have left now? - -Someone else said seeing as how Lawson’s have to sit next year they don’t count against the scholi level. - -I don’t think that’s right - -I think they still count right? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark nice. We could use more size
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One open slot if Josh goes and Svi stays.
I have to think this does help ISU with Juiston. Juiston wants to play and while he would next season the season after that would be very much in doubt for him.
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@JayHawkFanToo BOY, isn’t that the truth. - You know seems like every year , well at least the last few anyways, we as fans well some of us anyways get to be the worry wert’s , well I’m speaking for myself anyways - -the old ye of little faith lol - -seems like we get in a scramble mode fret to death – And then BAM as always it seems Coach and his buddies seek guys out - -and we do JUST FINE. - -With Devonte announcing yesterday his return & then now today this, Man we are SOLID, not only this year but the next - If we could land Jusiton then I think it’s BALL GAME we good to go. - - Our Bench shaping up, we have some really good depth in the back court Vick CAN play there, - - Newman - -Graham - - Garrett - & SVI I like that.- - If we could get Juiston to help Doke OH YA - - JUMPIN - -GEE - -HOSSA - - FATS LOL. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Kcmatt7 Well let me hear you guy. I agree for sure wit you ONE more Big and I think we REALLY be good. So in your opinion , Who do you think would be more of a benefit to us? - -Juiston OR Kanter? I know or have heard lots on Shakur - -little to nothing on Kanter. - -Iowa State fans are feeling with the Lawson’s coming to KU that it seals Juiston committing to Iowa State - yes - -no- - maybe? – Who would be your choice?
I really like Juiston , , but again haven’t really heard to much on Kanter - -Do we have a legit shot at him? - - - Also is Kanter a transfer? - -if so where from? - -or is he a Grad transfer? - or High School? - -Thanks - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@drgnslayr I agree. I know that we all know , Josh isn’t coming back. - -Just for chit chat though idle conversation , couldn’t you imagine IF Josh DID announce that he was coming back for his Soph year. - Could you imagine the shock wave that this would send around the College Basketball scene? lol – Just imagine old Calipari and Rat face at Duke wettin all over themselves lmao. - I have said a couple of times - -I’m think he will probably mention about declaring at the Banquet tomorrow night. - -Could be we hear about SVI tomorrow night also. - -ROCK CHALK ALL ADY LONG BABY
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Kanter is a graduate transfer who averaged 11 points and 6 rebounds in 19 minutes per game at Wisconsin Green Bay. If 19 mpg is all he could get at WGB then I am not sure how good he would be at KU; I think I would prefer Juiston.
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@BShark Ya that’s what I’m afraid of. - -Really would like to Land Juiston - -but with this taking place , and him Visiting Iowa St this weekend they gonna play this Card REALLY HARD this weekend - try to get him to commit while there and chances are good he just might # 1 Juco pretty tough player - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo OK. ya now that you gave where he was from , I remember reading about him - -& I’m with you I think I would rather have Juiston BUT I think with the guys today - -I think prettywell eliminates us for him. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 I haven’t been high on Juiston at all. I’m not a fan of 6’7 post players with no outside game. And especially one playing at the JUCO level before he would be coming here. So I would prefer Kanter. But that is just my opinion…
I also kind of think Juiston clogs the 4 position when we have players like Bagley or Zion out there. Not saying landing them is likely, but Bagley is the type of player you keep a spot open for just in case.
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Wouldn’t worry about finding room for Bagley. He’s the kind of kid you say yeah we’ve got as many minutes available as you can physically play.
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Looks like Ashton-Langford will end up at Providence.
McKinley Wright has decommitted from Dayton.
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@BShark mostly curious on what we sell his role to be if we ever get a visit.
Would it be a switch everything 5? And offensively a 4-1 pick and roll/pop where we let him dominate the middle and drive? I feel like that is what he will be doing a lot of in the NBA.
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Ashton-Langford to Providence.
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Thanks for your post. It gave me a minute to pause and explore the dream with you. Yeah… wouldn’t that be amazing! He would become one of the most dominant college players in a long, long time!
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Have to think the success of Kris Dunn helped them in this one. Providence could be a sneaky team next year.
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I would love to think Garrett would be ready to play minutes as a freshman. If he is apart of the rotation early on that’s a great sign that he’s earned the coaches trust. I think its a stretch right now projecting that without seeing him in uniform first. The Italy trip should give us some insight about how ready he is now.
Agree about Doke, the goal is to keep him on the floor as much as possible. Everyone knows how much of a force he can be on a given night if he’s in the game. The fouls concern me but his ability to protect the rim and alter shots will be such a refreshing addition to what’s been missing from this defense. Lucas was a great defender but he was not someone that defenses feared.
We definitely need a big who can play next season unless Lightfoot or Coleby make some big strides this off-season. That’s why I prefer bringing in Juiston. He’s got one elite skill, rebounding, even at 6’7. He’s a great athlete, a much better athlete then Mitch & Dwight. He will provide weak-side rim protection ability which we saw in the Oregon game can completely change the complexion of a game. Lots of highlights on him erasing shots at the rim which is kind of the role Josh Jackson was able to provide. Not only can he rebound well his 2nd best skill is his floor vision. A 4 that can set up Doke inside or swing the ball out for an open shooter. Skills that I don’t think Preston, Lightfoot and Coleby are comfortable with. For reference Juiston had a 144 assists this year, 5 less then Devonte Graham had this year.
I do agree that a more skilled backup to Doke might be the best option but it seems like the staff is more worried about the 4 spot. They must think Coleby can have a productive off-season and provide the minutes we will need. Coleby had some good games but we know his limitations if he’s not able to become much more explosive with that knee. It’s a gamble if he doesn’t regain what he once had. So I can see the concern and the view to get someone that can help now with no questions attached. It will be interesting to see how we use the scholarship now that it became valuable with the Lawson brothers sitting out.
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Matt Scott is excited again.
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@BShark why is he excited again? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I would guessing a storm is a brewin again. Last time it was the Lawsons. He said this is “big” but not 100% yet.
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@BShark OH DAM whatcha thinking? - -more hot news ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Jemarl Baker to Kentucky. Tough times in Squidville.
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No idea. Lots of speculation right now.
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@BShark How do you always have eyes on MS? Do you work with him? Have a secret spy cam installed? Flying a drone overhead of him? What is it? haha.
