Next recruit up
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@BShark said:
Milton Doyle
Hmmmm…idle thought while waiting for Senior Night…I occasionally wonder if HEM kept up his BFF pen-pal realtionship with Milton’s brother?
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We’ll see if this visit has any substance. We know he’s not the type of player we need to immediately use. Until Duval announces it seems like all we will be doing is laying some eggs in case they are available post Duval decision
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Things are getting chippy over on the shiver about this kid…
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Doesn’t take much on there…
We do need bodies for next year.
I think Couisnard represents the focus that KU needs bodies next year, not the OMG we missed on every top PG so we might as well reach type. I think anytime a kid doesn’t have a 4-5 star next to their name certain parts of a fan-base will freak out. If its true that he’s having a great season and starting to get more looks maybe he’s worth bringing in for an unofficial which could turn into an official in the spring if needed…
I don’t think it stops our focus for an immediate impact guard that can play alongside Newman.
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If it ends up being 4 scholarships to fill and him being the 6th guard then yeah it’s really not a big deal. If he is the only additional guard added (and lose DG and Svi) then it’s an issue.
Agree totally about the stars thing. I’m more of an offer guy and also I like to watch footage. There really isn’t anything recent on this kid.
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Seems like we’ll have at least 3 to use this spring. And we’ve talked about how next year we could see just as many Hawks gone even if Graham/Svi returned. Next season we will be sweating out Doke/Preston/Vick/Newman decisions. Having anyone who isn’t leaving by next season is important and this guy definitely represents that. Even as exciting as getting OAD talent is, you can’t substitute for experience which Self thrives with…
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@BeddieKU23 I’m going to plead ignorance on this kid. - -T he only things I know is from the talk you all have discussed., but I think I would have to agree of reading what you all are saying - -yes could be just because this kid isn’t some big talented stud doesn’t mean he is a big pile of cow doo.- - If Bill and staff have seen him, watch some, who knows - MAYBE the kid could be a solid 4 year player when all said and done, who knows. Like you say we do need bodies, if the kid wants to come in with the understanding it takes times, works his butt off, maybe he develop into a better player people do freak out. Once schools land 4-5 star players on a frequent basis then if it’s let’s people tend to think - -why the hell we recruiting this kid? I think you can use a blend, they can’t ALL be 5 star maybe doesn’t hurt to take him in. - -Like others have said too these better players they don’t back off of competition if they are as good as advertised, they thrive on competition,- - if we could get Grimes to re- classify were in pretty good with him aren’t we? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t know, I could be WAY out in left center here, but with Doke injury this year - -I just feel for some reason nothing solid to put behind anything but for some reason I just feel we are going to have DOKE for 2 full seasons yet starting next season. - I think his development took a serious hit with his injury and unless he just has a monsterous year next year I think he will still stick for 2 more seasons to develop- -like I said could be totally off by doesn’t hurt to hope. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Good lord he looks improved this year
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Hope your right, not counting on him past next season. Will depend on what Scouts think of him as he’s not what the NBA is looking for in a 5 anymore. Lots of tools though, young, athletic big beast
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@BeddieKU23 said:
Good lord he looks improved this year
Gonna be a stud. Zero doubts he is a top 50 player.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Hope your right, not counting on him past next season. Will depend on what Scouts think of him as he’s not what the NBA is looking for in a 5 anymore. Lots of tools though, young, athletic big beast
Never thought I’d see the day but you are correct. Two healthy years of Doke would be perfect and KU could bridge to the 19 class.
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So we have mentioned MJ Walker having an odd 5 star recruitment. To a similar extent Brandon McCoy has as well. Looks like MSU or Oregon for him. He was pretty interested in KU once upon a time, not sure what happened.
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Seemed like his interest died early when KU lost Ayton who was his teammate…
I think McCoy goes to Oregon as Michigan St signed 2 Bigs already.
Bowen has been another I can’t believe we weren’t involved with. Just went to Zona again. Either MSU or Zona for him…
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Absolutely, zero doubts about him. He’s gonna play
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Yep. As a FR. Might start at this point.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Seemed like his interest died early when KU lost Ayton who was his teammate…
I think McCoy goes to Oregon as Michigan St signed 2 Bigs already.
Bowen has been another I can’t believe we weren’t involved with. Just went to Zona again. Either MSU or Zona for him…
From my perspective which is limited it seemed like KU just didn’t go that hard for him. To be fair, we already have a center with limited basketball skills on the roster.
No clue on Bowen.
Tfwiw but Slater told me straight up that Jaren Jackson and Nojel Eastern were players that wanted to hear from KU. Sometimes recruiting is weird.
I’m wondering where Jordan Tucker will end up if Crean is fired.
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@BeddieKU23 One thing for sure you got right. He is a Beast - -I think next year - - look out., it’s going to be fun watch him develop. - - - oh not related but just real quick, who you got - -WV or Baylor tonight. Dunno I think Baylor gets them tonight. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Forgot about Tucker, can really really shoot the ball. I know that Georgia Tech was pushing for him with their PG committed being one of his friends. Thought Nova had a great chance with him.
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The Graham and Svi decisions loom huge in terms of our talent for next season, another in a string of very optimistic Bill Self coaching years. But what looms even bigger is the state of experienced returning talent for the 2018/19 season. The coaching staff has to be shuffling its cards weekly in a determination for serious recruiting offers and signees. If Graham should return, next season’s mix of experience and talented newbies looks terrific. Considering the upward pace in Vick’s development, we could lose Svi and continue to excel. Does Graham entertain the challenge of becoming next season’s Frank Mason?
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Duval, Walker, and Knox would round out the class nicely!
I hope KU lands another impact player, but maybe I’m underestimating whats on campus.
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So Self pleaded for Graham to come back next season. Not hard to imagine he’s already made his intentions known and that’s why he did it…
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@BeddieKU23 Doesn’t he always plead at Senior Night for the underclassmen to come back? Like Cliff, Brannen, Tharpe, – oh, wait! Never mind.
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Does he? I forget if he has in the past. I did notice he singled out Devonte then Josh. Not Svi… It definitely felt like he was making a point with DG…
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@BeddieKU23 I think he “suggested” it to Wigs. I know he has joked about it in the past–although I can’t remember who–and I have thought it is a standard line. Of course I am getting old, so it may have been in a press conference or the banquet or something other than Senior Night.
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KU has never been in it for Knox.
Need another ball handler. Self can easily win the league and have this team in NC contention with Competent PG/Newman/Garrett/Vick/Cunliffe as the guards/wings and a post rotation of Preston/Bragg/Doke/Coleby.
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Mentioned in the game thread but this kid was at the game last night:
I don’t think he is one that Creighton swoops in and steals…
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Seems like he’s been at every big KU game this season. Can’t imagine we let him slip by, way too good for that. My hope is that he locks down Harvey and Robinson before next year
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There is no doubt Harvey is a KU fan. I don’t think this was even considered a visit vs really he was just going to the game lol. Both him and JRE are too good that you can’t wait around hoping for a top 15 player imo. Heck Harvey is rated ahead of Jacobs right now, but I don’t think that will hold up. JRE thought about making it official after last late pm but the word is he is already a silent pledge.
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@mayjay Wiggins is the only player I remember Self lobying for at sr night to come back.
He said McLemore needs to go. He said Oubre needed to go.
I don’t think Graham needs to go. I think Graham wants to go. Graham is a joy to watch play and one of my favorite Jayhawks. Unfortunately I don’t feel as though Graham is an NBA talent.
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The guy I wonder about is Bragg – not in a good position draft-wise. Has had a rough season. Is he back? Draft or transfer?
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First video I’ve seen of Harvey. Yikes he’s not very athletic. 4 year player that would likely be good by his Jr. year.
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Kind of summarized exactly the whole situation with Graham. Who will win in the end? Remains to be seen
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He won’t be going in the draft. I expect him to be back.
@dylans said:
First video I’ve seen of Harvey. Yikes he’s not very athletic. 4 year player that would likely be good by his Jr. year.
He is the type of program player that develops and thrives under Self. Exactly the kind of player I love to see in the program.
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He’s also a 2019 kid, a few years to work on his athletic ability. Definitely a kid you don’t want to see at Wichita, KSU, or any surrounding program. He’s a take and develop player, the cornerstone to future years of success.
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Way way way too good for WSU or KSU.
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This appeared in my twitter feed recently. Lookin good Markese.
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@BShark He right here with me in T-Town, really good , have to consider the competition though but I still like him. I think were surpose to be sitting pretty good with him at this point aren’t we? - -Got to get out and watch him a little more I mean no reason not too same city, just a hop, skip and jump to his school. - -same school as the surgeon went to Hayden - private Catholic school a 4 A school - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@HighEliteMajor Boy you thinking my thoughts. Had an awful lot going on this season , your right not a good draft position at all - -as a matter of fact I don’t think you even smell a whiff of him on ANY kind of draft board. - - I don’t know if he is just thinking of enough is enough and MAYBE try and go over seas’s I know that he knows for him to try and declare for the NBA would be suicide right now, - - Me and it’s just me one person thinking but I’m just thinking chances are he might look to transfer. Go somewhere new, try and get a fresh start - -I hope not, I would hope he guts it out and tries to come back fresh here next year - -I just don’t know. - - ROCK CHAL;K ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Unlikely that Bragg transfers. He has the physical attributes the NBA looks for and he just needs to synchronize his mind to his Hudysized body and he is good to go. If he transfers he will have to sit one season so he would be 2 years at the earliest from joining the League…one good season at KU and he is there, plus nowhere he transfer would give him the exposure he gets at KU.
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Yep yep. If he is committed to KU by his SR year and still playing at Hayden you can bet I’ll bet at some games. I drive by Hayden all the time when I’m going to shop. He’s not leaving Hayden no time soon
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@BShark REALLY? - - - you live in Topeka? – - looked at him and a couple of other of our 2019 recruits, see where they are sitting. - -Looking pretty solid with Harvey and Robinson-Earl the good ol CB shows us at 100% for both and we all know how rock solid that is lol, but I do feel like we pretty good on both right now. - -The other is Matthew Hurt out of Minnesota, 6’8 ranked # 6 by 247 and # 7 off the ESPN got a pretty substantial lead over Lousiville, N Carol, Minnesota, and Arizona. - -need to check him out more. - -what you think about Hurt, question here is both him and Robinson are Forwards is one going to scare the other away? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Just outside Topeka my man.
2019 should be a strong class for KU. Marcedus Leech a 5 star stud from Missouri has an insane ceiling. Very athletic.
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@BShark cool. I grew up in Carbondale just south of Topeka live there for like the first 23 yrs of my life -would love to get back out there… - Hadn’t really been up on the Leech kid either, maybe a good year for us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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He is really good. I hope we don’t get punked by Travis freaking Ford AGAIN. Dude is Self’s kryptonite, always beats him for recruits…
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Ford might be out of a job again. such a great year at St Louis…10-19, 61 points a game. Sounds about right!
Edit: then again I just saw he’s got 3 transfers sitting out that will turn things around next season. We need him to tank next year so that Gordon rethinks what he did.
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@JayHawkFanToo What if Self remains committed to the 4 out, 1 in we see this season (though personnel-wise it doesn’t seem as likely)? Or what if Mr. Preston appears to be a big hurdle to overcome at the 4? Lots of moving parts there.
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I view the entire discussion of 4out-1in and 3out-2in as one of semantics.
In our 4out-1in we have 6’8" Josh at the 4. We could also run a 3out-2in with Dwight at the 4 and he is about the same height. The only real difference is handles at the 4. We can also say that the 4 must have range from trey. But in reality, Josh doesn’t completely have range from trey yet.
Billy Preston has very solid handles and a trey for a big man, but he is definitely classified as a post player, not a guard. So do we call it a 4out-1in or a 3out-2in when Billy is at the 4?
I think the key moving forward is to always recruit in at least one big with good handles and potential for trey. If we do that we still have the size to rebound while having most of the advantages of the 4out.
I don’t see where we draw the line in the sand on what qualifies as 4out-1in or 3out-2in.
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What if Self doesn’t want Bragg back?
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He does. Who would he be replaced with at this stage? KU already has enough open scholarships they are trying to fill to be worried about pushing Bragg out the door imho.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Ford might be out of a job again. such a great year at St Louis…10-19, 61 points a game. Sounds about right!
Edit: then again I just saw he’s got 3 transfers sitting out that will turn things around next season. We need him to tank next year so that Gordon rethinks what he did.
It’s Ford, they will still suck next year. Baffles me that he continues to get recruits? What did he win with Nash and Smart?
@HighEliteMajor said:
@JayHawkFanToo What if Self remains committed to the 4 out, 1 in we see this season (though personnel-wise it doesn’t seem as likely)? Or what if Mr. Preston appears to be a big hurdle to overcome at the 4? Lots of moving parts there.
I think the roster will dictate it. If he has enough good bigs, then we see a return to two true posts on the floor.
