Next recruit up
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Right there with you, I’m nervous as heck about who’s our point guard for next year. Especially when I don’t think Graham will be back and the Duval sweepstakes passed. Self always gets players but will he get the right one. We have a need for an immediate talent, not a development talent. That’s the difference about how this spring will go, can Self find someone who can play now
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@mayjay pretty heavy lean on Duke right now - - what a surprise, we are recruiting him - -longs ways to go, everybody and their brother would want this kid. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Quentin Grimes?
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If he was a possible reclassification, sign us up yesterday.
Here’s the other issue that you just presented, 2018 recruiting where we are really deep in with 2-3 Top 50 PG/Combo’s. If you sign a PG who isn’t going to start right away your clogging up the roster and your downgrading your chances with Dotson/Grimes etc.
So what is happening is KU rides the Duval train until he announces. When he goes to Duke we look at the transfer pool next for an immediate 1 year starter. If that pool doesn’t give us something, then its the coaching change carousel and whoever opens back up (again not likely to include any OAD type talent). Guys that could be available in that situation- Tremont Waters if Georgetown cans their coach, Williams son at Illinois if Groce is out… Etc. Neither OAD and diminish the chances with 2018.
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If we miss on Duval AND Graham goes.
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Oh and agree it sucks to sign a bunch of kids only to potentially mush them.
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@BeddieKU23 Groce finishing out on a high note it looks like… Could go on a 6 or 7 game winning streak here late. He does that and IU is all of a sudden a 21 or 22 win team who went 9-9 in conference play and they would be looking at the bubble. But they have to beat MSU. They do that and he is definitely back in Champaign.
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Shows what I know. Couisnard will be visiting for the game tonight…,…,…,…,…,…,…,…,…
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@BShark How do you feel about him? Combo or PG?
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yikes, unofficial at least
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He’s perfect if he’s the 13th scholarship… KU needs bodies And if he doesn’t screw up future recruiting at the position…
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@Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark How do you feel about him? Combo or PG?
Last resort, likely to end up like Woolridge, Merv, Rio etc… if he comes to KU. On the other hand, he is reportedly a KU fan so it’s possible he would be in it for the long haul as predominantly a practice player.
@BeddieKU23 said:
yikes, unofficial at least
Wouldn’t know what to think if it was official.
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@BeddieKU23 said:
He’s perfect if he’s the 13th scholarship… KU needs bodies And if he doesn’t screw up future recruiting at the position…
Doesn’t scare off anyone just like Mitch. Players like Dotson, Grimes etc…know they will get PT if they come to KU.
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Positives about Couisnard…
Loves to finish with his left. Uncanny for a righty, that is something he could use to fool defenders because he’s not an elite athlete by any means.
Good shooting stroke, definitely can shoot the 3.
6’4 so he’s not lacking ideal size for either guard position.
Word is he’s a scoring machine… No recent footage of him though that I’ve found
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Where did you see the Grimes to reclassify thing? Is that from a legit source?
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Cousinard doesn’t have a single D1 offer fwiw, at least not listed. Probably has conditional offers from schools recruiting him such as Depaul, Northwestern, Morehead State etc… I would project him as a three, which he has the size to play in college.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Where did you see the Grimes to reclassify thing? Is that from a legit source?
Known dumbass Shay, so grain of salt. That said, Grimes is a pretty heavy KU lean so I think he’d do it if KU asked. Man though don’t get me started on schools asking kids to do it…
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Interesting so basically just a rumor coming from Shay. I was just trying to find out if he was old enough to do so…
Grimes is a talent though, better than anything we’d get in 17 besides Duval. Much improved from last season. If Self were to push him into this year its a smart move because of Duke/Zona and others trying to get into his ear.
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If he is willing to hop on board early then yeah, it’s smart because the schools you mentioned will be involved. Zona would make a hard push, Duke has lots of options so idk about them as much.
Saw a decent comp posted for Cousinard…Milton Doyle. Who mind you has had a nice career at Loyola (IL).
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@BShark said:
Milton Doyle
Hmmmm…idle thought while waiting for Senior Night…I occasionally wonder if HEM kept up his BFF pen-pal realtionship with Milton’s brother?
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We’ll see if this visit has any substance. We know he’s not the type of player we need to immediately use. Until Duval announces it seems like all we will be doing is laying some eggs in case they are available post Duval decision
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Things are getting chippy over on the shiver about this kid…
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Doesn’t take much on there…
We do need bodies for next year.
I think Couisnard represents the focus that KU needs bodies next year, not the OMG we missed on every top PG so we might as well reach type. I think anytime a kid doesn’t have a 4-5 star next to their name certain parts of a fan-base will freak out. If its true that he’s having a great season and starting to get more looks maybe he’s worth bringing in for an unofficial which could turn into an official in the spring if needed…
I don’t think it stops our focus for an immediate impact guard that can play alongside Newman.
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If it ends up being 4 scholarships to fill and him being the 6th guard then yeah it’s really not a big deal. If he is the only additional guard added (and lose DG and Svi) then it’s an issue.
Agree totally about the stars thing. I’m more of an offer guy and also I like to watch footage. There really isn’t anything recent on this kid.
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Seems like we’ll have at least 3 to use this spring. And we’ve talked about how next year we could see just as many Hawks gone even if Graham/Svi returned. Next season we will be sweating out Doke/Preston/Vick/Newman decisions. Having anyone who isn’t leaving by next season is important and this guy definitely represents that. Even as exciting as getting OAD talent is, you can’t substitute for experience which Self thrives with…
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@BeddieKU23 I’m going to plead ignorance on this kid. - -T he only things I know is from the talk you all have discussed., but I think I would have to agree of reading what you all are saying - -yes could be just because this kid isn’t some big talented stud doesn’t mean he is a big pile of cow doo.- - If Bill and staff have seen him, watch some, who knows - MAYBE the kid could be a solid 4 year player when all said and done, who knows. Like you say we do need bodies, if the kid wants to come in with the understanding it takes times, works his butt off, maybe he develop into a better player people do freak out. Once schools land 4-5 star players on a frequent basis then if it’s let’s people tend to think - -why the hell we recruiting this kid? I think you can use a blend, they can’t ALL be 5 star maybe doesn’t hurt to take him in. - -Like others have said too these better players they don’t back off of competition if they are as good as advertised, they thrive on competition,- - if we could get Grimes to re- classify were in pretty good with him aren’t we? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t know, I could be WAY out in left center here, but with Doke injury this year - -I just feel for some reason nothing solid to put behind anything but for some reason I just feel we are going to have DOKE for 2 full seasons yet starting next season. - I think his development took a serious hit with his injury and unless he just has a monsterous year next year I think he will still stick for 2 more seasons to develop- -like I said could be totally off by doesn’t hurt to hope. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Good lord he looks improved this year
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Hope your right, not counting on him past next season. Will depend on what Scouts think of him as he’s not what the NBA is looking for in a 5 anymore. Lots of tools though, young, athletic big beast
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@BeddieKU23 said:
Good lord he looks improved this year
Gonna be a stud. Zero doubts he is a top 50 player.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Hope your right, not counting on him past next season. Will depend on what Scouts think of him as he’s not what the NBA is looking for in a 5 anymore. Lots of tools though, young, athletic big beast
Never thought I’d see the day but you are correct. Two healthy years of Doke would be perfect and KU could bridge to the 19 class.
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So we have mentioned MJ Walker having an odd 5 star recruitment. To a similar extent Brandon McCoy has as well. Looks like MSU or Oregon for him. He was pretty interested in KU once upon a time, not sure what happened.
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Seemed like his interest died early when KU lost Ayton who was his teammate…
I think McCoy goes to Oregon as Michigan St signed 2 Bigs already.
Bowen has been another I can’t believe we weren’t involved with. Just went to Zona again. Either MSU or Zona for him…
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Absolutely, zero doubts about him. He’s gonna play
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Yep. As a FR. Might start at this point.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Seemed like his interest died early when KU lost Ayton who was his teammate…
I think McCoy goes to Oregon as Michigan St signed 2 Bigs already.
Bowen has been another I can’t believe we weren’t involved with. Just went to Zona again. Either MSU or Zona for him…
From my perspective which is limited it seemed like KU just didn’t go that hard for him. To be fair, we already have a center with limited basketball skills on the roster.
No clue on Bowen.
Tfwiw but Slater told me straight up that Jaren Jackson and Nojel Eastern were players that wanted to hear from KU. Sometimes recruiting is weird.
I’m wondering where Jordan Tucker will end up if Crean is fired.
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@BeddieKU23 One thing for sure you got right. He is a Beast - -I think next year - - look out., it’s going to be fun watch him develop. - - - oh not related but just real quick, who you got - -WV or Baylor tonight. Dunno I think Baylor gets them tonight. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Forgot about Tucker, can really really shoot the ball. I know that Georgia Tech was pushing for him with their PG committed being one of his friends. Thought Nova had a great chance with him.
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The Graham and Svi decisions loom huge in terms of our talent for next season, another in a string of very optimistic Bill Self coaching years. But what looms even bigger is the state of experienced returning talent for the 2018/19 season. The coaching staff has to be shuffling its cards weekly in a determination for serious recruiting offers and signees. If Graham should return, next season’s mix of experience and talented newbies looks terrific. Considering the upward pace in Vick’s development, we could lose Svi and continue to excel. Does Graham entertain the challenge of becoming next season’s Frank Mason?
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Duval, Walker, and Knox would round out the class nicely!
I hope KU lands another impact player, but maybe I’m underestimating whats on campus.
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So Self pleaded for Graham to come back next season. Not hard to imagine he’s already made his intentions known and that’s why he did it…
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@BeddieKU23 Doesn’t he always plead at Senior Night for the underclassmen to come back? Like Cliff, Brannen, Tharpe, – oh, wait! Never mind.
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Does he? I forget if he has in the past. I did notice he singled out Devonte then Josh. Not Svi… It definitely felt like he was making a point with DG…
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@BeddieKU23 I think he “suggested” it to Wigs. I know he has joked about it in the past–although I can’t remember who–and I have thought it is a standard line. Of course I am getting old, so it may have been in a press conference or the banquet or something other than Senior Night.
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KU has never been in it for Knox.
Need another ball handler. Self can easily win the league and have this team in NC contention with Competent PG/Newman/Garrett/Vick/Cunliffe as the guards/wings and a post rotation of Preston/Bragg/Doke/Coleby.
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Mentioned in the game thread but this kid was at the game last night:
I don’t think he is one that Creighton swoops in and steals…
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Seems like he’s been at every big KU game this season. Can’t imagine we let him slip by, way too good for that. My hope is that he locks down Harvey and Robinson before next year
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There is no doubt Harvey is a KU fan. I don’t think this was even considered a visit vs really he was just going to the game lol. Both him and JRE are too good that you can’t wait around hoping for a top 15 player imo. Heck Harvey is rated ahead of Jacobs right now, but I don’t think that will hold up. JRE thought about making it official after last late pm but the word is he is already a silent pledge.
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@mayjay Wiggins is the only player I remember Self lobying for at sr night to come back.
He said McLemore needs to go. He said Oubre needed to go.
I don’t think Graham needs to go. I think Graham wants to go. Graham is a joy to watch play and one of my favorite Jayhawks. Unfortunately I don’t feel as though Graham is an NBA talent.
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The guy I wonder about is Bragg – not in a good position draft-wise. Has had a rough season. Is he back? Draft or transfer?
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First video I’ve seen of Harvey. Yikes he’s not very athletic. 4 year player that would likely be good by his Jr. year.
