Next recruit up
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He probably wasn’t, but we might end up with worse at the end of the bench (if it gets filled).
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You could be right. Was he ever on our radar? Sometimes Self just processes the local talents when they don’t meet certain criteria. He loves athletic guards and Jackson is not one of those.
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It’s been quiet on the recruiting scoop lately.
Duval went to Arizona over the weekend, Baylor tonight. His father seems to be high on KU after their visit from his interview. Can take that with a grain of salt…
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Duke board reporting Marcus Keene the leading scorer in the country is looking at Duke/Michigan next year as a grad transfer… Obviously after the season every coach with a pulse will be throwing their hat at him as well
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Does anyone with access to the recruiting sites know anything about whether Zion Williamson is actually considering us? I don’t recall anyone here mentioning him but he is Rivals #2 in 2018 class, and sites indicate we have offered. He is a junior here in SC, and the local paper has twice written him up as a major force of the future. I am sure Frank Martin is salivating, and Roy, too.
And then the other day there was this:
http://www.goupstate.com/sports/20170225/zion-williamson-scores-51-as-spartanburg-day-earns-repeat
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@mayjay Update: 247 has us as warm, along with other blue bloods plus local school Clemson. Cool on S Carolina. Happens a lot with upstate kids.
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@BeddieKU23 I’m not beginning to even think of a possibility of Duval committing here. It’s like you mentioned the other day or sometime ago, true he may of been impressed on his visit But it’s just a process. Like you said I believe just going through a process taking his 5 visits, why not take all 5 visits they are paid for, enjoy the process. – - He has Duke written all over him, you know it I know it, I think the only reason he HASN’T announced is because he wants to enjoy his 5 visits. I think one would have to be pretty naïve to think we have a legit chance with him.
You are right 100% the recruiting front has been real quiet - -not sure if I like that or not - doesn’t seem or look particularly good for any additions this year - I’m sure Coach will pull one out of his bag of tricks though and we will be fine. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Yeah he really wasn’t. Which is also why I have a hard time believing there is much real interest in Couisnard. I always get nervous in these situations but Self will get players… UK ends up with players like Green and Murray some how after they miss. Blah.
1% maybe? He is a Duke lean. A shame though, we are talking close to LBJ physical gifts for that kid.
@BeddieKU23 said:
It’s been quiet on the recruiting scoop lately.
Duval went to Arizona over the weekend, Baylor tonight. His father seems to be high on KU after their visit from his interview. Can take that with a grain of salt…
I’m off Duval at this point. I’d consider it a stunner if he picked KU and Seton Hall is more likely. Give me Mark Smith and Self can finagle next season.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Duke board reporting Marcus Keene the leading scorer in the country is looking at Duke/Michigan next year as a grad transfer… Obviously after the season every coach with a pulse will be throwing their hat at him as well
Can’t see him going there if they get Duval.
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Well to answer your question “is he considering KU”- I think so. I don’t think he’s really said too much about what schools he’s really looking at yet. But KU is among the many that are drooling over him and for good reason.
KU is definitely recruiting him, we’ve seen assistants to his games this year.
I know Zion has taken some local unofficial visits even stopping by Wofford of all places.
I’m assuming this summer he’ll break down his recruiting.
Duke has been the perceived favorite for a while
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@mayjay don’t believe Williamson is considering us at least at this point at all or if he is it’s a very slight possibility. – Thinking again he is ANOTHER one that’s the typical Kentucky - -Duke- -or maybe N Carolina thing same song different verse. —ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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It’s Duke unless something changes big time.
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Yeah his father seems to be impressed with KU for whatever that means. Trevon, well its been done to Duke for months.
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If there was a miracle and we got Zion, my excitement would be Josh Jackson level.
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Right there with you, I’m nervous as heck about who’s our point guard for next year. Especially when I don’t think Graham will be back and the Duval sweepstakes passed. Self always gets players but will he get the right one. We have a need for an immediate talent, not a development talent. That’s the difference about how this spring will go, can Self find someone who can play now
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@mayjay pretty heavy lean on Duke right now - - what a surprise, we are recruiting him - -longs ways to go, everybody and their brother would want this kid. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Quentin Grimes?
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If he was a possible reclassification, sign us up yesterday.
Here’s the other issue that you just presented, 2018 recruiting where we are really deep in with 2-3 Top 50 PG/Combo’s. If you sign a PG who isn’t going to start right away your clogging up the roster and your downgrading your chances with Dotson/Grimes etc.
So what is happening is KU rides the Duval train until he announces. When he goes to Duke we look at the transfer pool next for an immediate 1 year starter. If that pool doesn’t give us something, then its the coaching change carousel and whoever opens back up (again not likely to include any OAD type talent). Guys that could be available in that situation- Tremont Waters if Georgetown cans their coach, Williams son at Illinois if Groce is out… Etc. Neither OAD and diminish the chances with 2018.
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If we miss on Duval AND Graham goes.
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Oh and agree it sucks to sign a bunch of kids only to potentially mush them.
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@BeddieKU23 Groce finishing out on a high note it looks like… Could go on a 6 or 7 game winning streak here late. He does that and IU is all of a sudden a 21 or 22 win team who went 9-9 in conference play and they would be looking at the bubble. But they have to beat MSU. They do that and he is definitely back in Champaign.
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Shows what I know. Couisnard will be visiting for the game tonight…,…,…,…,…,…,…,…,…
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@BShark How do you feel about him? Combo or PG?
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yikes, unofficial at least
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He’s perfect if he’s the 13th scholarship… KU needs bodies And if he doesn’t screw up future recruiting at the position…
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@Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark How do you feel about him? Combo or PG?
Last resort, likely to end up like Woolridge, Merv, Rio etc… if he comes to KU. On the other hand, he is reportedly a KU fan so it’s possible he would be in it for the long haul as predominantly a practice player.
@BeddieKU23 said:
yikes, unofficial at least
Wouldn’t know what to think if it was official.
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@BeddieKU23 said:
He’s perfect if he’s the 13th scholarship… KU needs bodies And if he doesn’t screw up future recruiting at the position…
Doesn’t scare off anyone just like Mitch. Players like Dotson, Grimes etc…know they will get PT if they come to KU.
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Positives about Couisnard…
Loves to finish with his left. Uncanny for a righty, that is something he could use to fool defenders because he’s not an elite athlete by any means.
Good shooting stroke, definitely can shoot the 3.
6’4 so he’s not lacking ideal size for either guard position.
Word is he’s a scoring machine… No recent footage of him though that I’ve found
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Where did you see the Grimes to reclassify thing? Is that from a legit source?
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Cousinard doesn’t have a single D1 offer fwiw, at least not listed. Probably has conditional offers from schools recruiting him such as Depaul, Northwestern, Morehead State etc… I would project him as a three, which he has the size to play in college.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Where did you see the Grimes to reclassify thing? Is that from a legit source?
Known dumbass Shay, so grain of salt. That said, Grimes is a pretty heavy KU lean so I think he’d do it if KU asked. Man though don’t get me started on schools asking kids to do it…
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Interesting so basically just a rumor coming from Shay. I was just trying to find out if he was old enough to do so…
Grimes is a talent though, better than anything we’d get in 17 besides Duval. Much improved from last season. If Self were to push him into this year its a smart move because of Duke/Zona and others trying to get into his ear.
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If he is willing to hop on board early then yeah, it’s smart because the schools you mentioned will be involved. Zona would make a hard push, Duke has lots of options so idk about them as much.
Saw a decent comp posted for Cousinard…Milton Doyle. Who mind you has had a nice career at Loyola (IL).
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@BShark said:
Milton Doyle
Hmmmm…idle thought while waiting for Senior Night…I occasionally wonder if HEM kept up his BFF pen-pal realtionship with Milton’s brother?
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We’ll see if this visit has any substance. We know he’s not the type of player we need to immediately use. Until Duval announces it seems like all we will be doing is laying some eggs in case they are available post Duval decision
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Things are getting chippy over on the shiver about this kid…
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Doesn’t take much on there…
We do need bodies for next year.
I think Couisnard represents the focus that KU needs bodies next year, not the OMG we missed on every top PG so we might as well reach type. I think anytime a kid doesn’t have a 4-5 star next to their name certain parts of a fan-base will freak out. If its true that he’s having a great season and starting to get more looks maybe he’s worth bringing in for an unofficial which could turn into an official in the spring if needed…
I don’t think it stops our focus for an immediate impact guard that can play alongside Newman.
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If it ends up being 4 scholarships to fill and him being the 6th guard then yeah it’s really not a big deal. If he is the only additional guard added (and lose DG and Svi) then it’s an issue.
Agree totally about the stars thing. I’m more of an offer guy and also I like to watch footage. There really isn’t anything recent on this kid.
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Seems like we’ll have at least 3 to use this spring. And we’ve talked about how next year we could see just as many Hawks gone even if Graham/Svi returned. Next season we will be sweating out Doke/Preston/Vick/Newman decisions. Having anyone who isn’t leaving by next season is important and this guy definitely represents that. Even as exciting as getting OAD talent is, you can’t substitute for experience which Self thrives with…
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@BeddieKU23 I’m going to plead ignorance on this kid. - -T he only things I know is from the talk you all have discussed., but I think I would have to agree of reading what you all are saying - -yes could be just because this kid isn’t some big talented stud doesn’t mean he is a big pile of cow doo.- - If Bill and staff have seen him, watch some, who knows - MAYBE the kid could be a solid 4 year player when all said and done, who knows. Like you say we do need bodies, if the kid wants to come in with the understanding it takes times, works his butt off, maybe he develop into a better player people do freak out. Once schools land 4-5 star players on a frequent basis then if it’s let’s people tend to think - -why the hell we recruiting this kid? I think you can use a blend, they can’t ALL be 5 star maybe doesn’t hurt to take him in. - -Like others have said too these better players they don’t back off of competition if they are as good as advertised, they thrive on competition,- - if we could get Grimes to re- classify were in pretty good with him aren’t we? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t know, I could be WAY out in left center here, but with Doke injury this year - -I just feel for some reason nothing solid to put behind anything but for some reason I just feel we are going to have DOKE for 2 full seasons yet starting next season. - I think his development took a serious hit with his injury and unless he just has a monsterous year next year I think he will still stick for 2 more seasons to develop- -like I said could be totally off by doesn’t hurt to hope. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Good lord he looks improved this year
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Hope your right, not counting on him past next season. Will depend on what Scouts think of him as he’s not what the NBA is looking for in a 5 anymore. Lots of tools though, young, athletic big beast
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@BeddieKU23 said:
Good lord he looks improved this year
Gonna be a stud. Zero doubts he is a top 50 player.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Hope your right, not counting on him past next season. Will depend on what Scouts think of him as he’s not what the NBA is looking for in a 5 anymore. Lots of tools though, young, athletic big beast
Never thought I’d see the day but you are correct. Two healthy years of Doke would be perfect and KU could bridge to the 19 class.
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So we have mentioned MJ Walker having an odd 5 star recruitment. To a similar extent Brandon McCoy has as well. Looks like MSU or Oregon for him. He was pretty interested in KU once upon a time, not sure what happened.
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Seemed like his interest died early when KU lost Ayton who was his teammate…
I think McCoy goes to Oregon as Michigan St signed 2 Bigs already.
Bowen has been another I can’t believe we weren’t involved with. Just went to Zona again. Either MSU or Zona for him…
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Absolutely, zero doubts about him. He’s gonna play
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Yep. As a FR. Might start at this point.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Seemed like his interest died early when KU lost Ayton who was his teammate…
I think McCoy goes to Oregon as Michigan St signed 2 Bigs already.
Bowen has been another I can’t believe we weren’t involved with. Just went to Zona again. Either MSU or Zona for him…
From my perspective which is limited it seemed like KU just didn’t go that hard for him. To be fair, we already have a center with limited basketball skills on the roster.
No clue on Bowen.
Tfwiw but Slater told me straight up that Jaren Jackson and Nojel Eastern were players that wanted to hear from KU. Sometimes recruiting is weird.
I’m wondering where Jordan Tucker will end up if Crean is fired.
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@BeddieKU23 One thing for sure you got right. He is a Beast - -I think next year - - look out., it’s going to be fun watch him develop. - - - oh not related but just real quick, who you got - -WV or Baylor tonight. Dunno I think Baylor gets them tonight. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Forgot about Tucker, can really really shoot the ball. I know that Georgia Tech was pushing for him with their PG committed being one of his friends. Thought Nova had a great chance with him.
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The Graham and Svi decisions loom huge in terms of our talent for next season, another in a string of very optimistic Bill Self coaching years. But what looms even bigger is the state of experienced returning talent for the 2018/19 season. The coaching staff has to be shuffling its cards weekly in a determination for serious recruiting offers and signees. If Graham should return, next season’s mix of experience and talented newbies looks terrific. Considering the upward pace in Vick’s development, we could lose Svi and continue to excel. Does Graham entertain the challenge of becoming next season’s Frank Mason?
