If a tree falls in the forest and no one cares, does it make a sound?

  • Maxwell is transferring.

  • @dylans that’s not nice!😟

  • Heard that a little bit ago. He was mostly brought in for potential depth issues next season and because his younger brother was projected to be a good recruit at the time (4 star good). Brother didn’t pan out and KU can get better players than Maxwell to develop next year since it appears Lucas will be the only loss in the front court after this year.

  • NOT nice at all lmao - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

  • @dylans Wow. already a transfer? Isnt Maxwell a redshirt?

    Why is he going? Where is he going? He would get minutes next season

  • @Lulufulu He was at best going to be the 4th big at KU in 2 years. There just wasn’t going to be any significant minutes projected for him. He’s not a future pro at any level, so playing time is probably a priority for him and going to a mid or low major gives him that opportunity.

  • @Texas-Hawk-10 Ahhh, I see. Well, I hope he doesnt transfer to Wichita St or Nebraska.

  • @Lulufulu said:

    @dylans Wow. already a transfer? Isnt Maxwell a redshirt?

    Why is he going? Where is he going? He would get minutes next season

    He was a walk-on level player honestly. It’s possible that he may just be done with basketball.

    Edit: There has been a bit of discussion on this already in another thread, but good for this to have a thread.

  • Should have gone to a mid major to begin with. Whole thing never made a lick of sence. I will be disappointed to never get to use this line when he makes his first TO each game: Maxwell was good to till the last drop.

  • I really hope for the best for Evan Maxwell. I remember how scary those decisions were at the age of 20. Evan is a great young man and I appreciate the time he spent at KU. Good luck Evan.

  • Not many kids who transfer from KU are really all that good any way.

    JR Giddens

    CJ Giles

    Andrew White III

    Micah Downs

    CJ Henry - transfer or quit?

    Alaphabet kids like to leave!

    Then waaaaaay down on the incomplete list






    Milton Doyle

    Evan Maxwell

    Hope it works out well for Evan, but this is the last time I’ll likely be able to remember his name before he slips into the deep dark recesses of my memory. Never to be recalled again. Too bad as I have fond memories of even the walk-ons at KU.

  • @dylans

    JR Gidden transfer was not due to basketball ability but because his off court issues. He was All-Big 12 Conference Freshman team and after he transferred to New Mexico, as a senior he was named Mountain West Conference Co-Player of the Year and Honorable Mention All-American. He was selected by the Celtics in the first round of the NBA draft. Pretty darn good player. Likewise, Andre White did very well at Nebraska where he averaged 16.6 ppg,d 6 rpg, shot 0.412 from the 3 and was in high demand when he decide to transfer to Syracuse where he is having a good season with number similar to those at Nebraska; a pretty good player that got to KU at the wrong time. Several other players that have transferred have had good careers elsewhere such as Micah Downs that had a very good career at Gonzaga making several All-Conference teams and David Padgett that went to Louisville where he did very well…

    Had many of these players been at KU at a different times they certainly could have had considerably more playing time. There have been lean years when walk on players like Moody and Teahan ended up starting and getting considerable playinmg time they would not have had in the not so lean years. The lure of playing time is a powerful incentive for many players to transfer.

    The problem is not unique to KU, in fact it is fairly common; many high profile players have transferred from other Elite programs and I remember KU being a candidate to land Derryck Thornton from Duke just a few months ago… Here is a good story on the subject with comments from Coach Self…

  • Giddens was such a jerk he managed to get stabbed in Lawrence, where basketball players are Gods. Where goofy acting and looking Bragg can get justice in 5 days and a new girlfriend in minutes.

    Giddens was talented, but troubled as was Giles. Both talented players transfered and that’s why they are on the list near the top. @JayHawkFanToo I flipped 'em for you.

    Did Moulaye Niang transfer too? Or just quit? I know there are others, but if they don’t hit the floor they’re hard to remember.

  • @dylans Niang had to give up basketball because of a physical issue…his back I think.

  • @dylans make that 2 girlfriends for Bragg???💃💃💰🏀❤💙

  • @dylans

    You should read Beyond the Phog: Untold Stories from Kansas Basketball’s Most Dominant Decade Hardcover by Jason King and Jesse Newell, you get a very different view of Giddens.

    Niang had a back condition and no hope of playing professionally so he did not play in his senior year and stayed at KU as a student assistant for the team in order to complete his degree.

  • @JayHawkFanToo As I recall Giddens felt/was forced out. But he was selfish on the court and I figure it transfers off the court, never met the man, but I don’t recall a lot of hurt feelings when he left.

  • I know I’ve been busy the last few years, but I had no idea this youngster was even on the roster.

  • @dylans Lol I hear ya about Evan, nothing against him in the least BUT WHO WILL remember him 3-4 yrs from now? sorry he just wasn’t a player that was something to get really worked up about.

    Then again let’s see How Many if any here remember T.J. Pugh? Far from explosive, talented, - - -But yet played quite a bit, had some moments quality Big guy. - -Anyone else remember him? - - Anyone remember where he came from? - -AH, AH, AH no fair looking it up - -remember from your head - not the inner net lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

  • @jayballer54

    Dr. TJ Pugh is originally from Nebraska, Omaha if I recall correctly.

  • @jayballer54 TJ was in a few of my classes. Funny guy.

  • JR was fun to watch but had issues I’d say we didn’t really miss him because Rush showed up the next year. I think we really missed Padgett, he was a solid big. Giles had a high ceiling but was troubling, anyone remember him scoring for the other team off a missed free throw. We also lost Omar Wilkes to transfer who was apart of the “KU fab five” ended up joke with downs and others. Also we had the galindo kid that left that I never really heard anything else about.

  • Interesting post on the Phog about this. Poster said he had been complaining non-stop since he got on campus.

  • @BShark

    Would be interesting to know how that person knows this for sure. Lots of debby downers on that site. The “darkside” is strong with them.

  • @BeddieKU23

    Yeah I’m wondering if someone will ask for more details. I’d do it but I don’t actually post there just lurk.

  • @BShark

    I lurk there as well. It is interesting that he wanted to tranfer close to home- then the KU thing came along and he ended up here. So wonder if his intentions to be close to home popped up again…

  • @BeddieKU23

    Supposedly he was looking at D2 offers before KU offered. Just bizarre really.

  • These situations concerning transfers… for the most part I maintain a very high opinion of them.

    They came to Kansas believing in Kansas, and most left with the same high regards, but situations change and they are just looking out for themselves. And if they don’t look out for themselves, who will?

    None of us know what goes on behind the scenes. Perhaps we are making room for another recruit. One thing… just by adding Preston we pretty much guaranteed there won’t be a pecking order change next year… at least, not in the right direction for Evan.

    The ideas of Carlton leaving early for the NBA have vanished. That would be the biggest disaster move he could make.

  • @drgnslayr Don’t assume Preston plays for KU yet. He may very well end up like Terrance Ferguson and Emanuel Mudiay and have to head overseas based on API’s track record of kids getting eligible who spent significant time at the school which Preston did.

  • @Texas-Hawk-10

    I hear you… But for Evan, he has to take it like Billy will make it to Kansas.

  • @drgnslayr Even if Preston never gets cleared an Evan took that mindset, he’d still be the 5th big at best next year behind UA, Bragg, Coleby, and Lightfoot. Maxwell’s best case scenario was a starter in 2018-19, but that’s only if KU whiffed on every big man recruit between now and then. Simialr to Justin Wesley being KU’s 4th big in 2011-12 because there was literally nobody else on the team.

    Realistically, 4th big in 2018-19 was probably the best case for Maxwell which would mean 7-8 mpg. Since playing time appears to be a priority, who can blame him, and KU didn’t have much to offer, he can now move down to the mid or low majors and play good minutes somewhere while getting a solid education.

  • @Texas-Hawk-10 were we just in for his brother?

  • @Crimsonorblue22 I think his brother played a role in KU bringing Evan in, but when Evan’s brother didn’t develop as expected, Evan really became expendable because his brother is no longer a target and Evan was never going to be more than a bench guy.

  • His brother is 7 feet tall and not getting a whiff from P5 schools.

  • @BShark His brother never developed over the summer the way most expected him to. When KU brought Evan in, his brother was projected to end up somewhere between 50-75 and be a solid 4 star, but now he may not even end up playing D1 ball. He has no recruiting profile on any of the major recruiting sites which is very telling about his college basketball future.

  • I wonder how these kids handle the school work side. Most schools require that you complete at least 50%+ of the required coursework in residence and with that many transfers do they even graduate?

  • @JayHawkFanToo You are absolutely correct lol. I give my brother hell about him all the time. I WILL say this TJ always tried hard at least seemed to me, like the kid - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

  • @BShark Ahhh, a bunch of Phog lurkers – lurkers, lurkers lol - -funny thing is - -I lurk there too lol. but now they have changed you have to be a premium member to read any post - - sooooo minus ONE lurker lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

  • Huh? I would never pay a dime to scout and I can read all the threads just fine lol. There is a premium section but no one uses it.

  • @jayballer54 Tj was/is a good guy and an ok basketball player. His brother was pretty cool too (also in some of my classes). Seems like a good family. Down to earth people.

  • Speaking of trees, wouldn’t it have been nice to have Lauri Markkanen right about now??? Unfortunately this legacy fell completely under the radar and went unrecruited by Kansas (as far as I know).

    I couldn’t find the recruiting thread. Is there a new one going? It’s hard to care as much with actual basketball going on.

  • @dylans Apparently it was more about his dad liking Roy than his dad liking KU… Pretty sure the only other place he seriously looked at going was UNC.

  • @Kcmatt7 Did his dad only play one season for KU? Add him to the transfer list! Pretty rare back then, comparatively speaking.

  • @dylans

    When Pekka came to KU he was an older player, 22 years old if I recall correctly, and was listed as a Junior. He played for professional teams before coming to KU and went back after one year to resume his pro career. He was a decent player and his numbers were enough to start but not to be a star. Mark Randall was the other big for that KU team and the better player without a doubt.

  • @JayHawkFanToo Speaking of doctors, I met Dr Christian Moody while I was working in the surgical intensive care unit at KU ummm back in 2012. Real nice guy. We BS’d about the current team, he even gave me an autograph just for kicks.

    Ah yah and I met Tyrel Reed coming out of work at the same place one day, probly right before one of his last classes in his PT school. Also, great guy.

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