Grahams thoughts on Svi
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If you were to take that for what its worth I think he is in front of BG for minutes next year.
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I got a laugh out of the jackass from ISUs comment below that tweet… Still pretty confident up in Ames minus Fred.
I am still doubting BG takes the floor this seAson. Med Red!!!
@Statmachine I think he will be ahead of BG. I struggle to see how BG has any different role than he had last season. Svi just has more diversity to his game, and seems to fit Self’s stated preference to having ball handling on the floor. BG as the designated 3 point assassin seems to be the only role that he would fit, ahead of other guys. I certainly could be wrong.
While I love three point shooting, I am really pumped about the idea of Selden at the 3, Graham and Mason starting, with Svi first off the bench. All four shoot shoot the three competently. And with BG in that three point shooting role, I wouldn’t trade our back court with anyone in the country.
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@jaybate-1.0 @joeloveshawks – Vick would be nice at the 5th perimeter spot, to get some reps as a freshman. Honestly, I thought we’d get word he was transferring before school started. I know there is no hint of that … so my gut was wrong again.
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6 feet 8 inches and 205 lbs!
I thought we’d get word he was transferring before school started.
A diabolical premonition!!!
Never occurred to me.
But raiding players that show well in international ball, seems the next logical step for Cal to take, if Big Shoe won’t give him the Long Stack edge anymore.
Cal cannot hope to compete medium stack to medium stack with other coaches. He is not that good of a coach.
He depends on having more talent.
Oooooh, now I am not going to sleep well, and its all your fault, @HighEliteMajor!!!
The more I think about this, the more I think no one is safe anymore.
Why shouldn’t Cal and his Shoe-Agent Complex allies go back channel and offer all of Self’s rotation guys that are freshmen and sophomores life in Lexington, plus whatever improved informal down stream endorsement expectations?
Imagine how well Cal could do with some guys that were coached-up by Self before he got them?
@jaybate-1.0 Sorry for my vagueness … I was referring to BG transferring, not Vick.
“6 feet 8 inches and 205 lbs!”
“SM:Yes, I think that I’ve grown. I’m probably around 6-foot-7 or 6-foot-8.”
Funny… He was listed as 6’8" last year… so maybe he grew into the “KU inches?”
205 is harder to fudge. He was listed at 175 last year, and I think that was light. He looked more like 190 or so… therefore, his 205 and “added 15 or 16 lbs” does add up.
There was no way in #ell he was 6’8" and 175 lbs last year. He would have looked like a starving refugee.
Self looks at him.
Then Self looks at Norm.
Norm: Kids about 6-6 and 175.
Self: Let’s call him 6-8 175.
The news paper guys always like it when they get to report that a guy has grown and gotten stronger.
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I love this point about Cal not doing well with similar talent. He has made a living at having better talent, and even that doesn’t always help him. See last year. My arm chair ass could’ve coached that team to a NC.
I wonder how Adidas will react to Cal stomping in their back yard ??? Or is UK now looking for some Adidas love after Nike kicked them to the curb ???
The verdict is in, at least IMHO.
I have heard the counter arguments and found them unpersuasive.
Cal is an average coach that wins with unfair advantages in talent.
Its been that way everywhere he has gone.
He gets excess talent, and then he wins until he runs into someone with the same amount, or more.
Put it this way: Cal is NOT known for upsets, is he?
What was Cal’s last monumental upset?
What was the last season that he coached in any conference when he didn’t have a sharp edge in talent?
UK? always the edge in talent.
Memphis? Always the edge in talent.
UMass? Any season Camby was on the floor he easily had the best talent in that conference.
Cal is NOT known for being able to beat you with hisn, or with yourn.
He is known for having more talent than any other teams in his conferences that he has coached in.
Shizzzle, board rats.
This is mastering the obvious.
Contrary to some claims by board rats here, Cal has NOT proven that he can out coach other top coaches. He has only proven that he can out talent them.
Ten Deep in OADs and TADs?
How shall I put this?
No. Ring. With. That. Long. Stack.
Landing the most talent is a skill for sure.
Whether it is his, or someone else’s, only time is going to tell.
Talent can win a lot of games.
It also leaves vacated seasons in its wake sometimes, when it is gotten the wrong way.
What makes me most sad is that the LSU medium stack has been given to Johnny Jones, a coach that has shown little indication so far of being much more than a .600 type coach without stacks. Good, but not in Self’s, or Pitino’s, or even Stumpy’s brother Archie’s league.
Why does this make me sad?
Because Cal is effectively going to be coaching against an equal, or perhaps someone who may not be quite as good as Cal, independent of talent, with about the same talent.
This means that Cal might beat LSU’s apparent medium stack with UK’s apparent medium staff, and so board rats are going to continue to labor under the illusion that Cal is an excellent coach.
If Cal beats LSU for a conference title this season, it will only mean he is better than a .600 coach.
I still argue the best indication of how good of a coach Cal is is this: with Derek Rose and a bunch of ringers, he lost to Self in the national championship. It was close, but with Derek Rose and a bunch of ringers it shouldn’t have even been close, right? And with the first apparent stack of D1 in 2012, Self without a Mickey D on his roster gave Cal a run for his money the second half.
These two games IMHO reveal more about Cal than most.
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How much might adidas pay UK to join the revolution?
If Michigan is worth $60 M and Louisville is worth $43M, surely UK has to be worth way more, right?
Here’s a scary thought.
It saved $400 M pulling out of shirts for the NBA, someone said.
It reputedly spent $200 M on Harden.
That means might have another $100 M laying around.
What the heck!
Might UK be worth more than James Harden’s $200 M?
I kind of hope adidas doesn’t out bid Nike for UK, but didn’t someone once say…
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
I can’t recall who it was now.
I can neither confirm nor deny rumors that Case Officer @VailHawk is on a basketball intelligence mission.
I can only say that he is not getting paid a healthy salary.
I refuse to comment on whether or not he is not receiving hazard pay.
Respectfully submitted, while in a bunker awaiting word on Diallo’s eligibility,
Director/Janitor BIA Area 59.7 Near Pocatello, Idaho
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@jaybate-1.0 I’m hoping he is working on the diallo eligibility case. Another raise if he accomplishes the mission!
Good to know Svi has really started to transform his body. Now we hope that translates to getting buckets at a better %.
I think Greene does give us a lot of value with his 3 ball & improved rebounding. The downside was he didn’t get the individual or team development this summer that everyone else got. So its hard to project that he will be an improved player.
I also believe Vick has the highest ceiling on the team. I expect he will be seldom used because that’s what Self always does when a player is buried on the depth chart and will complain about not using him enough after the fact. I fully expect him to be a stud next year & as a junior.
@BeddieKU23 You said, “I also believe Vick has the highest ceiling on the team.”
That is a huge compliment. It appears that you might be giddy?
I know I’m giddy about Vick at least with the “eye test.” But we all know that doesn’t necessarily mean he will pan out. I want to know more about his basketball IQ. We didn’t get to see him enough to determine that.
On off nights: Vick the Brick Stick
On On Nights: The Super Sliver
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Vick = Black Lightning!
Brick Stick on off nights.
Super Sliver on on nights.
Black Lightening at Wheel after big games being introduced to tipsy coeds.
Svi’s Thoughts on Graham: Baby face? Vould like to have meet sister in Crimea.
It is a big compliment and I’ll probably be dead wrong. I did see the most recent AAU youtube tape thats out on him so that could be blinding me. I went back and watched some of the WUG & I was just impressed by his play. How does his talent sit the bench all year??
@Statmachine And that was June!
@jaybate-1.0 Great thoughts dude! Ive also been thinking I might watch the 08 game again. Hasnt been that long since our last KU game but Im still starved for basketball.
@Crimsonorblue22 I think Vail is out west in Cali, doing some firefighting.
Note: All fiction
@jaybate-1.0 Thats very interesting indeed. Whats the chances that UK switches sides to Adidas? WHen is their Nike contract due to expire?
@BeddieKU23 He was ice in the WUG. Hit some big shots. Definitely looks like a freshman that could play now. Think about this possibility – we could have all of our perimeter players back in 2016-17, which means he’d still be in the logjam as a sophomore.
@jaybate-1.0 – hilarious!
That would be a worst case scenario for him. I think Selden will have a great year and be a pro which would allow Vick to slide into a rotation spot. Has Self ever had this much perimeter talent & depth??
@BeddieKU23 Last year?
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@bskeet Agreed this team is stacked. Our backcourt is solid. I dare say it hasnt been this good since 08.
We need Perry to be Perry every game and we need Mickelson to channel his inner Withey. We need Lucas and Traylor to improve, if only slightly. Lastly, We need Diallo.
Hey, I just wanted to let you know I have never edited another alias’ post and only did yours, because when I posted my post that precedes yours, it first appeared, and then disappeared seemingly replaced by your post. I assumed you accidentally edited my post, so, rather than repost my original post separately, I reinserted my post into “our” post.
Looking back on it, I think I should not have done that and I apologize. I was trying to do the right thing, but I think I made the wrong choice. We are not supposed to be editing each other’s posts. My mistake.
I’ve been under the weather for a few days so it wouldn’t surprise me if I goofed and edited one of your posts. Sorry if I did. I’ve never intentionally done that to anyone.
I rarely get sick, but somehow I caught a summer cold.
The trek to October 15 continues.
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@drgnslayr I think there’s definitely something going around. LCBH - Lack-of-Crimson-and-Blue-Hoopsitis. It will be all over soon.
Get well soon - summer colds suck.
Hey @jaybate-1.0 Cal is known for upsets. Every year, but '12 ended with his team in an upset. The best was Robert Morris.
I’m feeling better today!
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Think about this possibility – we could have all of our perimeter players back in 2016-17, which means he’d still be in the logjam as a sophomore.
I’ve mentioned this on several occasions only to have people say no chance of it happening. This is also why I don’t think KU signs a combo this year because the guards KU could lose are 2/3 making wing players the second priority afters at least 3 bigs in this class. I just don’t see a scenario outside of disciplinary issues in which Mason, Graham, and Vick aren’t around next year and none of those 3 have any disciplinary issues in their background I’m aware of.
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I really have not thought about Vick very much since the WUGs. However, after seeing him step to the plate fearlessly in international play in S. Korea, I am confident that he can rise to the occasion for major minutes in case Frank or Devonte should get hurt. If all 3 of them return a year from now, Vick is bound to see considerable playing time. Bill Self could possess a 2016-17 squad very similar to the group he donated to Bruce Weber when Self left Illinois. 3 outstanding quick guards, a banger, and a smooth gunner at power forward.