Furphy
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Yes, sounds like he might go through the draft process before a final decision.
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Have the rules changed? It used to be when you hired an agent, you had to stay in the draft.
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@Gorilla72 said in Furphy:
Have the rules changed? It used to be when you hired an agent, you had to stay in the draft.
You can hire a approved agent and still return to school.
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@Woodrow - Thanks. I just looked it up too. Getting lazy.
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He just put a post about it out on his Instagram
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This post is deleted!
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So Furph declared for the draft while maintaining his college eligibility. Said some very nice things about KU. I can’t link via the apps.
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Go be great, kid
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He won’t be back, unless something very unforeseen happens.
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ya figured this would probably be the case.-- I’m not mad at him , give them hell , hope the best. Enjoyed him while he was here. - Can’t blame him for trying to make money.
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We hardly knew ye, Johnny…
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Johnny-come-lately
The new kid in town
Will we still love you
When you’re not around?
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@approxinfinity I’m looking forward to checking out the new New Kid in Town
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So, what’s your name? What was your name? I can’t remember something so lame 'Cause I don’t care Yeah, I don’t care That a break up left you in despair
I Forgot That You Exist Song by YonKaGor
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@approxinfinity I get it, I was hoping to see him develop another year here. I really like him, so much potential.
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Disappointing that we won’t get another season from Johnny. What a steal he ended up being so late in the cycle when things went south with dipshit. Good luck Johnny, hopefully you’ll do big things
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Well… none of us are OADs! lol
The safest quality recruits to take hoping they put in years at KU… short point guards that can offer consistent play for years… and big post players who can dominate D1 but don’t translate to the NBA. I think Hunter will be back, and Juan is coming back.
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It’s a business now. I don’t know why they don’t completely eliminate the ncaa and make the new hires sign binding one year contracts pay a signing bonus and be on to the rest of team assembly and coaching. Recruiting and re-recruiting the same commit several times per year is exhausting. I hope it doesn’t drive Bill into retirement.
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It’s a business now. I don’t know why they don’t completely eliminate the ncaa and make the new hires sign binding one year contracts pay a signing bonus and be on to the rest of team assembly and coaching. Recruiting and re-recruiting the same commit several times per year is exhausting. I hope it doesn’t drive Bill into retirement.
You know I think now I might be wrong have been many , many times before BUT I think if I remember correctly Ja y Wright walked away from Coaching as he didn’t want to deal with this NIL crap and the portal.
You just never know these days , you know Bill one day may just say screw this.—I know well have heard and can believe very easily how tiring this whole recruiting thing can be. Like you said recruiting a kid and then re- -recruiting -could really wear on a guy. You put that with having to know all the in and out’s of NCAA recruiting rules - -the NIL- -& Portal can drain the best of them. - -One of the reasons these University’s have to have X amount of lawyers just for the Recruiting and such. Never say Never to Coach one day coming in and just throw up his hands in frustration and just say screw this–and follow what Wright did.
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@BeddieKU23 It really is incredible that we picked this guy up in the middle of the summer and he’s probably going to become a top 20 draft pick
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With him not being able to get the NIL money, can’t really blame the kid. It stinks for both him and us because I firmly believe he’s a top 5 pick next season if he stays. I hope it works out but so many good players end up in the G league and then over seas. I’ve always said this a bout the NBA-They will draft you off of potential, but give you little to no time to develop that potential. The G league has made vast improvements the last few years so hopefully that helps. If he has a good combine, he could sneak into the first round which would be huge. Crazy to think about a kid averaging single digits across the board being a OAD honestly.
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Sometimes I think it’d be ok if the top talents from McDonalds and High Schools had a semi-pro league and skipped college altogether. Then we’d preserve college sports with more traditional scholarship student-athletes. Like there would still be plenty of talent to make the games high-level and exciting. It also seems just - to give top-caliber athletes a route other than college to get paid what they deserve while they pursue the NBA without distorting the fairness of our leagues. I’d still be a Jayhawk fan, to be sure, and I don’t think my enthusiasm/enjoyment would lose a step like it might as this new status quo evolves.
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@Jayblaze I think we have moved in the opposite direction with NBA folding the G League ignite team this year. NIL is where its at, for now.
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Sometimes I think it’d be ok if the top talents from McDonalds and High Schools had a semi-pro league and skipped college altogether. Then we’d preserve college sports with more traditional scholarship student-athletes. Like there would still be plenty of talent to make the games high-level and exciting. It also seems just - to give top-caliber athletes a route other than college to get paid what they deserve while they pursue the NBA without distorting the fairness of our leagues. I’d still be a Jayhawk fan, to be sure, and I don’t think my enthusiasm/enjoyment would lose a step like it might as this new status quo evolves.
They did. That’s what Overtime Elite was. That was the purpose of the G-League Ignite team. Those entities were specifically created to provide a place for top HS talent to go and get paid before NIL was widespread. NIL forced Overtime Elite to close up shop and is the reason why Ignite is folding after this season.
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@Jayblaze Best idea I’ve heard in a while. It beats my idea of shutting down college basketball altogether and just sending them right from high school or jail into the NBA. Although, I firmly believe that NIL and the portal (to hell) are going to do just that.
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@approxinfinity Maybe the hockey model will become a thing in basketball too. No reason not to under the current rules.
ie NBA team drafts a hs player and designated him to a certain college team or set of teams at his choice for development… ahem I mean allow the student athlete to pick a school to develop for 2 years (not the 3 hockey requires) before becoming league eligible. The nba team would have a more developed prospect under contract and the full term intact once the player is called up.
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@dylans yeah i expect something along those lines is already where we are shifting. Which is why I am incredibly excited about our ability to get top shelf talent going forward. I think Bill Selfs finishing school will be in high demand for NBA teams.
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Read an article in the star, Furphy’s dad said Johnny hasn’t made up his mind. He’s kept in touch w/coach and there’s a place saved for him. The workouts have helped him.
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lol
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Do we think Bill is able to add 3 wings in the portal if Furphy comes back? Writing is on the wall.
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I’m guessing if Furphy somehow, miraculously, comes back Riley Kugel will conveniently turn out to be academically ineligible.
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@BShark just relaying the article
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@Crimsonorblue22 Not a fan of the article, though I probably shouldn’t say much more. Don’t want to be too mean.
If he comes back, it’d be a miracle.
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@BShark have u read it? U think it’s mean to give Coach some false hope? Or putting him in a bad place if he came back?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think Bill knows what is happening.
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@BShark so r u mad his dad sounded like there’s a chance and there’s not?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t want to get into it. Not a big fan of the writer. He did the same thing with Gradey Dick. I’ve talked to some other writers about him. Things best not repeated.
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A question… what are the main drivers for Furphy and his family at this point? Hard to believe that a 19 yr old is that overly concerned about money and a burning desire to enter into a full time job. Is it lack of NIL $? Does he not like having to take classes?
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I think it’s a simple calculus: if you are certain to be drafted in the NBA draft, and likely in the first round, you look at the salary and contract and say, “that looks like a pretty good career opportunity.”
He can always go back and get his degree. But the opportunity to be drafted and become an NBA player – no matter what team it is – is too good to pass up.
I try to imagine if it was in another field, like engineering, or business, etc. If Google/Tesla/Amazon contacted a freshmen engineering student and said "come work for us and we’ll pay you X million for the next 3 years with the opportunity to go up from there… Most would take that.
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@bskeet I posted in another thread arguing that physically he is not ready to play in NBA, look at his age, weight and physical strength, he is not ready for NBA’s brutal rigor.
It is known that real money is made in 2nd/3rd contract.
He can get picked in mid to late first round, but he will most likely be warming the bench or playing in G league.
After a few months he may be traded and move around before disappearing.
His parents seem to be doing well in the sense that he does not need money right away to support them, so even without NIL he can wait to get real money and get drafted much higher and have a longer NBA career.
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A question… what are the main drivers for Furphy and his family at this point? Hard to believe that a 19 yr old is that overly concerned about money and a burning desire to enter into a full time job. Is it lack of NIL $? Does he not like having to take classes?
He’s a basketball player. Basketball players generally dream of playing in the NBA. Furphy is good enough that he’s going to realize that dream after 1 season of college basketball.
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Again, I will suggest that the NBA should be allowed to draft and stash players in college. Let the Spurs draft him and pay him guaranteed money/NIL to keep playing for Bill.
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@approxinfinity said in Furphy:
Again, I will suggest that the NBA should be allowed to draft and stash players in college. Let the Spurs draft him and pay him guaranteed money/NIL to keep playing for Bill.
That’s literally what the G-League is for, to stash and develop players who aren’t quite NBA ready. A lot of people here need to get past their outdated views and stereotypes of what the G-League is. Literally over half the NBA right now has spent time in the G-League including many first round picks. Furphy will be better prepared for the NBA playing and developing in the G-League than he will at Kansas.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 agreed thats what g-league is for, but it seems that NIL has shifted the balance, with g league ignite going away. Would seem that a high profile college program with a difficult schedule offers several advantages that may work better for some, including not getting your ass kicked by grown ass men with a chip before your body fills out
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I can think of several others: public exposure, confidence, peers of the same age, other NIL, etc
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@approxinfinity said in Furphy:
Again, I will suggest that the NBA should be allowed to draft and stash players in college. Let the Spurs draft him and pay him guaranteed money/NIL to keep playing for Bill.
I like that idea. Just like baseball. Why not?
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@approxinfinity said in Furphy:
@Texas-Hawk-10 agreed thats what g-league is for, but it seems that NIL has shifted the balance, with g league ignite going away. Would seem that a high profile college program with a difficult schedule offers several advantages that may work better for some, including not getting your ass kicked by grown ass men with a chip before your body fills out
A player in the G-League on an NBA or Two-Way contract is making more than NIL. The Ignite team was essentially a select team that was invite only for a handful of top HS kids that could legally go to the NBA. Contracts for those players worked differently than the rest of the league as Ignite players made significantly less than the rest of the G-League and less than NIL. Their salary range was between $50-$150k. The quality of players they could land had significantly dropped in the last couple of years because of NIL.
Also, because NBA franchises, except for Phoenix, operate their own G-League franchises, the players are developed how that franchise wants them developed because it’s their own coaches and staff doing the developing. The G-League is also primarily made up of younger players under 25 so Furphy wouldn’t usually be going against “full grown men” on a daily basis, he’d be going against players under the age of 25 for the most part.
I’d love to Furphy come back next year, but at the end of the day, his and pretty all basketball players dream of the NBA, not college basketball. At this point, the G-League is a better option for long term development than college is for players.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Furphy:
@approxinfinity said in Furphy:
Again, I will suggest that the NBA should be allowed to draft and stash players in college. Let the Spurs draft him and pay him guaranteed money/NIL to keep playing for Bill.
I like that idea. Just like baseball. Why not?
That’s not how baseball’s system works though. In baseball, once you sign a professional baseball contract, you are no longer eligible to play college baseball anywhere anymore. You can be drafted and choose not to sign a contract and then still play college baseball, but once a player signs with an MLB club, they are no longer eligible to play college baseball.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 you make sound arguments. For many kids the g league route is probably a strong option.
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@approxinfinity In my wholesale HVAC business we call that “Tag and Hold”.
