Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread
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I’m not going to get too hung up on whether Kev shoots 30 or 35% from 3. At his volume last year that difference would be… 15 points (he scored 364). He’s such an asset otherwise that those 15 are easily made up vs a sharpshooter who can’t guard, rebound, handle, or move without the ball like Kev.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I’m not going to get too hung up on whether Kev shoots 30 or 35% from 3. At his volume last year that difference would be… 15 points (he scored 364). He’s such an asset otherwise that those 15 are easily made up vs a sharpshooter who can’t guard, rebound, handle, or move without the ball like Kev.
I don’t put much stock in preseason computer rankings especially since they can’t really factor in coaching but Kevin’s return really moved the needle with some models that were down on KU. All these models had guys like Chris Johnson playing way to much however.
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@BShark no two ways about it, he fills our biggest need. We needed more skill from the 3/4 spot.
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The following my my guess of the rotation and minutes:
- Harris (32 mpg) / Morris (8)
- Morris (18 mpg) / Elmarko (11) / Timberlake (11)
- McCullar (23 mpg) / Timberlake (15) / Elmarko (2)
- KJ Adams (22 mpg) / Marcus Adams (9) / McCullar (9)
- Dickinson (32 mpg) / KJ Adams (8)
In games where we have foul trouble we will see Braun, McDowell, or Johnson get minutes as well.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Jethro said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
How many KU games did you watch last year? You wouldn’t be saying that if you watched Kevin play.
Ha. Watched em all Jethro, like i’ve done basically since the 80s. Last year was last year. We have basically a new team this year, and we need different skills.
I was hoping for a true, volume shooter to help space the floor, give us a chance at making some 3s next year. that’s all. Kevin is not that guy, but brings other skills. i appreciate his skills on defense, but he’s not a good fit for this team offensively IMO. that’s all.
We had 1 clutch player on this team last year. When you needed the dagger basket, you went to him, and he delivered. When we needed a stop, he found a way to deliver. WE weren’t even the same team when he wasn’t on the court- it was so obvious, it was ridiculous. He guarded the best player every freaking’ night. There were many game night chats on here when we marveled at his performance. The kid is just flat a winner. So, that’s why I asked if you’d actually seen a KU game last year. Because it’s hard for me to imagine you didn’t see that being a fan that “never misses a game”. Kevin McCullar was our best player last year, period.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Jethro said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
With this mornings news, new line up should be
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams
C- Dickinson
Bench (Rotation level minutes)
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
A rotation quality 5 should be the final piece to this puzzle.
Ugh, I am likely the only one feeling this way, but with Kevin back that is an ugly ass, non shooting starting five. Dislike. Self has brought us back to the stone age of defensive stalwarts.
We desperately need a more modern approach to that lineup.
How many KU games did you watch last year? You wouldn’t be saying that if you watched Kevin play.
Ha. Watched em all Jethro, like i’ve done basically since the 80s. Last year was last year. We have basically a new team this year, and we need different skills.
I was hoping for a true, volume shooter to help space the floor, give us a chance at making some 3s next year. that’s all. Kevin is not that guy, but brings other skills. i appreciate his skills on defense, but he’s not a good fit for this team offensively IMO. that’s all.
You will see some different things from him this year. It’s going to be very fun to see what Bill tinkers up with Hunter. Hunter is not just a guy to dump it into down low. He is versatile. Kev is going to really be able to cut to the basket.
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There is a lot to be excited about but the excitement is rightly tempered by the need for some players to improve their shooting / expand their offensive toolbox in the off-season.
Juan needs to be a threat from deep. Can he become a 33% shooter from 3?
Kevin needs to be more consistent from three and be dependable for some mid-range shots that JWill delivered.
KJ also needs to deliver more points from mid-range. But he should be the one player who isn’t required to acquire a transformative skill. He can make a comfortable living off rebounds and tips with Hunter picking up a lot of inside scoring responsibility.
Speaking of Hunter — he can’t be a bust. I expect great things, but he’s a bit of an unknown until we see him play in the system. He has to score prolifically. Period.
The fifth is a wing. This is the position of highest uncertainty. Whoever it is needs to be a threat from deep — no less than 30% from 3. No one will replace Grady but this player has to make sure we aren’t longing for Grady.
So the question is not just if we have one guy that can be a deep threat (while holding all the usual defensive responsibilities, etc etc) but also, can two guys develop into a reliable threat as well?
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@bskeet Juan is career 39% from 3 so I’m guessing yes on that
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@bskeet Juan is career 39% from 3 so I’m guessing yes on that
Good point — I should say - needs to stay in the 33% range on much higher volume. And this will only get harder if there isn’t 1 or 2 other deep threats.
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Terio’s shooting form is excellent and he shot 41% down the stretch for Texas. He could be a breakout candidate.
@bskeet I’m very against KJ from midrange though. I think that’s bad offense and his shot is a hot mess. Junkyard dog role is perfect for him.
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Another update! Tex predicted this earlier in the thread. came true. I wouldn’t be surprised if he used Morris as our sixth man/spark plug, and put Elmarko in the lineup, surrounded by experience.
STARTING FIVE
G- Harris
G- Morris
F- McCullar
F- KJ Adams (would prefer to see a shooting option here, but likely not happening with Self)
C- Dickinson
Bench
G- Jackson
G- Timberlake
F- Marcus Adams
Deep Bench
G- Johnson
G- McDowell
F- Braun
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Juan/Timberlake/Kev/KJ/Hunter as things sit imo
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I think it’s
Juan
Morris
Timberlake
Kevin
Hunter
If we get Nelson then one of Morris and Timberlake is out and I’m guessing Timberlake because the remy spark plug
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@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I think it’s
Juan
Morris
Timberlake
Kevin
Hunter
If we get Nelson then one of Morris and Timberlake is out and I’m guessing Timberlake because the remy spark plug
I think it will move to that later in the year but that Bill will try KJ as the starting 4 first.
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@BShark said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@kuballin10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I think it’s
Juan
Morris
Timberlake
Kevin
Hunter
If we get Nelson then one of Morris and Timberlake is out and I’m guessing Timberlake because the remy spark plug
I think it will move to that later in the year but that Bill will try KJ as the starting 4 first.
you not thinking El Marko might break that starting line up ? - -I think he has a chance
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It’s gonna be Juan, Kev, KJ, Hunter and who cares
Edit: + whoever can rebound
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Juan, Elmarko, Kev, KJ, Hunter by end of season.
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@approxinfinity said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Juan, Elmarko, Kev, KJ, Hunter by end of season.
Looking to win games 35-30 I see.
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@DanR said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
It’s gonna be Juan, Kev, KJ, Hunter and who cares
Edit: + whoever can rebound
Think it’s gonna be tough to get any of those 4 out of the starting line up.
Juan, Kev, and KJ could make the all bill self team for guys that “get it” whatever “it” is that makes self want to play guys.
Those guys with an actual big behind them that will allow them to be more aggressive guarding the ball and getting into passing lanes is going to be fun and create a fair bit of its own offense even if they can’t shoot.
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Juando/Morris/McCullar will be the best defensive guard trio in the country.
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@benshawks08 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@DanR said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
It’s gonna be Juan, Kev, KJ, Hunter and who cares
Edit: + whoever can rebound
Think it’s gonna be tough to get any of those 4 out of the starting line up.
Juan, Kev, and KJ could make the all bill self team for guys that “get it” whatever “it” is that makes self want to play guys.
Those guys with an actual big behind them that will allow them to be more aggressive guarding the ball and getting into passing lanes is going to be fun and create a fair bit of its own offense even if they can’t shoot.
Bill’s recruiting actions tell me otherwise with KJ. Contacting every available 4 man with a pulse lately. Now, we’ll see if he actually goes ahead and gets one.
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Ahahahaha ignore me. KJ will be playing massive minutes next year.
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@BShark you talking about this? https://twitter.com/jayhawkslant/status/1661797158272499714?s=46&t=PfvO214bW1XkHtm9eUlx9A
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I see we’re at the “Merv is a top 30 recruit” part of the offseason
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@benshawks08 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@BShark you talking about this? https://twitter.com/jayhawkslant/status/1661797158272499714?s=46&t=PfvO214bW1XkHtm9eUlx9A
Shay has me blocked.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I see we’re at the “Merv is a top 30 recruit” part of the offseason
Bill is making me consider cracking open a beer.
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@BShark said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I see we’re at the “Merv is a top 30 recruit” part of the offseason
Bill is making me consider cracking open a beer.
I recommend The Athletic for weekday consumption. Their golden and IPA are very good. Plus no booze and only 60 calories!
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@BShark said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
I see we’re at the “Merv is a top 30 recruit” part of the offseason
Bill is making me consider cracking open a beer.
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Do we think the organization of this flyer has anything to do with the starting lineup?
https://x.com/fansofku/status/1694700681800646832?s=46&t=PfvO214bW1XkHtm9eUlx9A
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@benshawks08 how could you not?
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@benshawks08 I think that’ll be the lineup but it’s just fan created stuff. So I wouldn’t read into it on its own.
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I think that lineup is close, but maybe more like this:
PG Furphy
SG Furphy
SF Furphy
PF Furphy
C Furphy
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Prediction
Juan/Terio/Kev/KJ/Hunter
Bench minutes most to least Marko/Timberlake/Furph/Parker
Furph could end up a little higher really depends how he acclimates.
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Outside of the backup 5, we feel DEEP. I love that we have a guard like Elmarko to bring off the bench too. Sherron Collins '08 type of role.
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@BShark said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Prediction
Juan/Terio/Kev/KJ/Hunter
Bench minutes most to least Marko/Timberlake/Furph/Parker
Furph could end up a little higher really depends how he acclimates.
Think this is how it will play out to a T. Marko being your 6th man but good enough to start. Timberlake your microwave Moss/JCL guy off the bench when you need him. Furphy is the guy that changes your ceiling based on how quickly he acclimates. Parker will be an important piece even as the 9th guy. Guys get into foul trouble especially Hunter and that’s the next guy up. Hoping he’s capable of being our Prison Mitch.
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And we’re off again! maybe.
PG Dajuan Harris
SG Elmarko Jackson
SF Kevin McCullar (almost forgot about him!)
PF KJ Adams
C Hunter Dickinson
Bench
Smalls: Nick Timberlake / Johnny Furphy
Bigs: Zach Clemence / Parker Braun /
** Even more concern about 3 pt shooting now. And the usual backup PG issue.
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And concerned about injuries, especially season-ending.
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Yea, depth an issue. Hoping Furphy is playable. Maybe Elmarko and Timberlake can fake it and give Dajuan some rest now and then.
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@rockchalkjayhawk I heard that Zach is red shirting.
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Anyone know if Chris Carter could be playable this year? He’s the walk on who transferred in from Cal State Northridge?
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@AsadZ said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk I heard that Zach is red shirting.
That was the chatter early on about Zach. Sounds like that’s a bit wobbly now?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
Anyone know if Chris Carter could be playable this year? He’s the walk on who transferred in from Cal State Northridge?
We have sooooo many guys on the roster. I can’t keep track.
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@rockchalkjayhawk Below is article from June 20th:
Head coach Bill Self announced Tuesday afternoon that Zach Clemence, a 6-foot-10 incoming junior forward who averaged 1.8 points and 1.6 rebounds per game in sparse playing time over two seasons, is returning to Kansas rather than transferring to UC Santa Barbara.
“I had a conversation last week with Zach,” Self said. “He contacted me and we were discussing all things going on with him, future, transferring, all the stuff, and he asked me would it be a possibility if he could return, and we discussed what we both thought would be best for his future basketball-wise.”
Self and Clemence decided that he will redshirt during the upcoming season. Self said that Clemence could have been eligible to play immediately because he never officially started classes or practices in Santa Barbara. UCSB, following questions Monday from the Journal-World about Clemence’s enrollment status, deleted an Instagram post from May 23 stating that Clemence had officially signed.
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@AsadZ said in Off-season starting lineup ever changing thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk Below is article from June 20th:
Head coach Bill Self announced Tuesday afternoon that Zach Clemence, a 6-foot-10 incoming junior forward who averaged 1.8 points and 1.6 rebounds per game in sparse playing time over two seasons, is returning to Kansas rather than transferring to UC Santa Barbara.
“I had a conversation last week with Zach,” Self said. “He contacted me and we were discussing all things going on with him, future, transferring, all the stuff, and he asked me would it be a possibility if he could return, and we discussed what we both thought would be best for his future basketball-wise.”
Self and Clemence decided that he will redshirt during the upcoming season. Self said that Clemence could have been eligible to play immediately because he never officially started classes or practices in Santa Barbara. UCSB, following questions Monday from the Journal-World about Clemence’s enrollment status, deleted an Instagram post from May 23 stating that Clemence had officially signed.
Yup, i recall that. I read a story a few weeks back where it was still seeming like a red shirt, but Self left the door a tiny bit open in case of injury or a new circumstance. So, likely a red shirt, but the team dynamic sometimes changes on a dime! ha.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article277972153.html
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I’m kind of pissed at Bill Self for messing with ‘our’ team like this. I really don’t pay attention as much as many of you do, so I had zero clue that Arterio was such a troubled kid. I was excited watching one of the summer matches thinking this kid has some flair that’s going to be fun to watch. About 5 days ago I see an instagram post supposedly quoting Bill Self saying this was his most talented team ever. Don’t know if the quote was real or if he’s still saying that, but our top 2 -4 preseason ranking might not be coming after this. I hope the young man gets help before things get worse for him.
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@wissox FWIW #1 pre-season ranking by every reputable ranking system -according to the last espn article I read.
I think many of us were less than impressed with this decision from day one. Too troubled. I appreciate wanting to help people, but hedge your bet.
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Thanks, I hadn’t looked, just assumed we were in that range.
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I know with every bone in my body that Bill’s gonna be Bill, but what if…
PG Harris
G Elmarko
G Timberlake
SF McCullar
C Dickinson
I don’t really see a reason for KJ to start. What will he provide? We’re all convinced he’s not a great rebounder, right? He can’t shoot. So, that leaves defense and lobs. Nothing wrong with that, but i think starting another scoring guard will help us more than KJ starting will.
I know, wasted argument.
Edit to say that McCullar can provide defense, rebounding, toughness.
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Losing Morris is a problem. I don’t see anyone left in the portal + it’s too late. Wondering if we get all 3 schollies credited back this year? Or 2.5?
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@rockchalkjayhawk Self will start KJ at 4, I’d move Kevin to 3 and KJ to 4.
Timerlake coming from bench.
